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It has happened. About 2 - 3 years back. t It's the year of the Pig.

Listen Scott. Quit trying to hijack this thread. You failed to capitalise "TV" You placed no punctuation between etc two and three. Your repeated use of etc is redundant. You failed to capitalise Middle Eastern. You spelt "murderer" incorrectly. You spelt "dispense" incorrectly. Your final two sentences are incomplete. t It's the year of the Pig.

Very wise words. t It's the year of the Pig.

It's funny how people who can't manage it, always criticize those who point out atrocious grammar and spelling. It's like you feel things can be done too well or something. We are folks who can master plummeting toward the earth and saving ourselves seconds from impact through the use of parachutes and parachute-flying skills, and yet there are those among us who cannot master the difference between "you're" and "your," or "they're" and "there"?! Just what is the valid excuse for screwing this stuff up? "Duhhh, I just can't remember it"?! And yet you file income taxes, drive automobiles, remember whether you stop or go at a red light... some of us even fly planes. So how can it be that something as simple as a handful of rules of grammar is so tricky and mastery of them is so elusive? -Jeffrey Yeah... But you only ever bring it up when your argument has got you in a corner. Your regular "PHLease!" comments also make light of your own argument. Since you're just packed with retribution, what's your plan for those who have poor grammar or spell badly? Death? Imprisonment? 50 lashes with a wet pull up cord? t It's the year of the Pig.

Umm....really?! Yes. Really. And they really won't do it again. There was also a dude in Kansas a few years back with lines wrapped around his feet, but I don't have the documentation to back that one up. t Appendix B – Wingsuit fatalities #67 Kirill Kiselev, September, 2002 Age: 27, from Ekaterininburg, Russia. Cliff Jump (Wing Suit) Vikesaxa (Eiksdalen Valley) Norway Impact I received this report from a close friend of Kirill who witnessed or heard most of the jump. Kirill has 500 skydives with 20 being with a wing suit, and 30 BASE jumps, with 2 being with a wing suit. This fatality began with an inadvertent low pull from a man who didn't do low pulls. His friend believes Kirill encountered a stability problem late in the flight. The friend, along with authorities, inspected Kirill's body and gear at the hospital. Kirill had opened his canopy, the slider is at the links. Both toggles are still stowed. The wing zippers are closed and the swoop cords are still over his fingers. The wing fabric between his legs is torn. His broken neck and one broken leg suggest opening and impact occurred at about the same time. The report intimates failure of the wingsuit material between Kirill's legs caused a stability problem at pull time. By the time Kirill stopped trying to overcome the situation and deploy, it is too late. Kirill is the first BASE jumper to die flying a wingsuit on a BASE jump. #68 Rob Tompkins, September 12, 2002 Lysbotn, Norway Cliff Jump (Wing Suit) Kjerag Impact This is the second wing suit BASE fatality. Rob has 247 BASE jumps with 92 being with a wing suit on the day he died. A report states: "For the last month, Rob had his eye on a particular jump between launch points 4 and 5. We looked at it, doing rock jumps and basically studying the jump. There are two launch points next to this particular jump, one with a 7-second drop and the other with an 8-second drop. Rob jumped the 7-second launch point 10 times always doing a reverse gainer. The place he's looking at now, he dubbed the, "RT Hjørner," and has a rock drop time of 5-seconds. We analyzed this site on video and with other wing suit pilots. In my opinion, the jump is not achievable - and I repeated this to Rob. Other wing suit pilots said the same thing. Rob is convinced he can do it including a reverse gainer. After 7 seconds of freefall Rob impacted the talus ledge. He never tried to deploy his pilot chute, knowing that this would not save him. Rob believed he could out fly the ledge right up until he died. Rob is remembered as a good man, full of respect, and kind to everyone." #69 Lukas Knutsson, October 11, 2002 Cliff Jump (Wing Suit) Engelberg, Switzerland (Cold Steel) Impact Lukas has a good launch and good flight with his wingsuit and pulled high over the landing area. This is the third BASE wing suit fatality. Despite a powerful pull the pilot chute ended up in the turbulence behind him. In the burble the pilot chute spun around very fast. Lukas notices the deployment is hesitating and collapsed his wings and rolled to one side to clear the pilot chute. At this point the pilot chute achieved bridle stretch but the bridle had entangled with the pilot chute so badly the pilot chute is almost totally collapsed. Lukas did rollover to the other side and struggled hard to get the canopy out of the container. However, the container remained closed to impact. Lukas is a very experienced long time BASE jumper (this site is now called "Cold Steel" in his honour) and he will be missed by the entire BASE community. #75 Gabi Dematte, August 13, 2003 Cliff Jump (Wing Suit) Gasterntal, Switzerland Cliff Strike & Impact The following report is from one of Gabi's many friends. "Gabi went to jump alone, like she did very often. Getting away from the crowds in Lauterbrunnen she went to another valley known by only a very few jumpers. She couldn't out fly a ledge with her wings. Which is awkward, because she kicked ass with those wings. She did not attempt to pull. Gabi was a very good jumper, and a super nice person. I was lucky to get to know her and I will treasure her contribution to my existence. For me, it was nice to jump with another woman. It was special and it did not last long enough. Lauterbrunnen valley is empty and quiet now." Gabi is the fourth BASE wing suit fatality." #80 Jeff Barker, July 5, 2004 Age: 32 Cliff Jump Mount Baker-Snoqualmie National Forest Impact Jeff is jumping with a wingsuit and he failed to clear a outcropping in freefall. #81 Duane Thomas, August 21, 2004 Age: 35 Cliff Jump Lauterbrunnen, Switzerland Duane, a Kiwi with a quick smile, is a well known and experienced BASE jumper. The following is from an eye witness. "The jump is witnessed by two British jumpers and two Swiss jumpers. One Brit watching, and videoing, from the exit point, the other three watching from the LZ. This is Duane's first wingsuit BASE jump, and his first jump ever with a leg mounted pilot chute pouch. Prior to this jump Duane prepared by making 50 aircraft and 2 hot air balloon wingsuit skydives. Duane had a good exit and a good flight. Everybody saw him reach for and locate the pilot chute at what the witnesses said is a reasonable altitude. He then kept his hand there and continued in freefall. The speculation is the lack of normal ground rush (like the type he is used to when not wearing a wingsuit) might have fooled him. The Swiss are yelling at him to pull and he finally did so, at what they said is about 30-feet above the ground. The canopy lifted out of the pack tray but is no where near line stretch when he impacted in a full flight position. According to the Swiss there is no fumbling around, or looking for the pilot chute handle - all the witnesses agree on this. He reached and located the pilot chute, but just took to long to deploy it. A hard pull cannot be fully discounted at this time, but all the witnesses believe he just waited too long." This is the sixth BASE wingsuit fatality since the first one occurred in September of 2002. Reproduced with the kind permission of Nick Di Giovanni #194. The complete list can be viewed at: http://www.basefatalities.info or http://hometown.aol.com/base194/myhomepage/base_fatality_list It's the year of the Pig.

Not the old grammar and spelling arguement... t It's the year of the Pig.

I'm not sure how to vote. Do you mean YES, you have a right to be upset, and we should explain why, and NO, you have no right to be upset. or Do you mean YES, it's OK to drink the beer and leave you a cheque and we should explain why, and NO, its not OK to drink the beer? (Just as well I don't vote in Florida...) t It's the year of the Pig.

London calling - Clash Lords of Karma - Satriani I did it my way - Sid t It's the year of the Pig.

Was the US invasion not named "Shock and Awe"? Of course they're trying to shock you. You certainly tried to shock them. t It's the year of the Pig.

You say.. And chastise me when I say "Yet." And you want an apology? I don't think so... t It's the year of the Pig.

There are already 6 people that I know of who have landed a wingsuit. Not one of them will ever do it again. Those experienced skydivers who debate the idea are dreamers, and whether or not their quest is ever successful, we'll benifit from their endevours. For now.. I'll keep using my parachute at the end of my wingsuit jumps. t It's the year of the Pig.

Yet. t It's the year of the Pig.

By THIS you mean the person who's a suspect, and who's not yet been convicted, right? t It's the year of the Pig.

Just read your post and deleted 2 dead friends from my cell phone. Don't want to speak to them anymore... t It's the year of the Pig.

Scope... Ahh.. Stars in my eyes... t It's the year of the Pig.

Will keep a lookout in Africa. Will you PM me the suit serial number so we don't overfeed the Hyena's for nothing? Ta. t It's the year of the Pig.

And the size of your balls... t It's the year of the Pig.

I'm sure Joseph Stalin, Chairman Mao, Ho Chi Min, Pol Phot, Adolph Hitler, Atilla the Hun etc could all say the same thing. All were capable of functioning quite normally. t It's the year of the Pig.

What! Are you mad? I just gave you 3 examples! You're one of those people who only beleive what you want to beleive, right? Right? t It's the year of the Pig.

There are many connections between nine eleven, Al Quaeda and Iraq. Just to get you started... 1. Nine and Iraq both have 4 letters 2. eleven and Saddam both have 6 letters 3. Al Quaeda and Iraq. Coincidence? Unlikely. Any more spring to mind? t It's the year of the Pig.

Bullshit? That's a strong word. I think you may be confusing "Production" with "Street legal." Street legal (Here in South Africa) requires an engine no, frame no, a headlight, a tail light, a speedometer, a working brake, licence plate and a stand, and there is a VERY loose silencer requirement. Speed has never been a secret. 140mph had been exceeded WELL before the 1st World War, in 1911. On the 11th of March 1929, Henry Segrave exceeded 360 kmph in his Golden Arrow with a World land speed record of 231.45 mph. (370.32 kmph) Do you really beleive that in the following 50+ years (While the land speed record had climbed to 995kmph) that speed could not be matched? Remember that this was a competition run for street legal bikes. These were purpose built bikes made street legal to fulfill requirements. The fact that they get 40l per 100km, can get only 8km on a tank and require an engine rebuild every 300km is incidental. Your bullshit detector is WAY too sensitive. t It's the year of the Pig.

That's not THAT fast. It's only 328kmph. There were street legal bikes here doing over 360kmph (225mph) 20 years ago. Admittedly, 1000cc Eddie Lawson replicas bored to 1475cc with Pops Yosh heads running nitro or twin turbo and using methanol.. but they were featured in Bike SA in the early 80's. Interesting thing was the speed variance was as high as 25mph between different riders on the same bike. Speeds were measured over a 1km run in opposite directions and the times averaged. The event was monitored and measured by the traffic department. Incidently, for metric types, 360kmph has special allure. It means a kilometer every 10 seconds. t It's the year of the Pig.

Ghana, Liberia or Sierra Leone... But if you're ever coming to SA, pm me and I'll give you a ride to the DZ! t It's the year of the Pig.

You're so OBVIOUSLY not interested in slowing your freefall! t It's the year of the Pig.

Wow. People like Ghandi, Mandela, Mother Theresa... They have/had a lot of soul mates. I don't believe in soul mates and anyone who does is a statistical idiot. 6 billion people. How many have you met? What are the chances of them being your soul mate? t It's the year of the Pig.