JoeWeber

Brent, This is an interesting, narrowly focused study. One interesting take away is that areas of Wheat production will be subject to increased periods of severe water shortage as global temperatures increase. Currently, only 15% or so of areas under wheat production world wide suffer coterminously from severe water shortage. So no biggie in terms global supply. Also, local mitigation efforts and the hardiness of the crop attenuate the total impact. But, wheat today accounts for 20% of calories consumed worldwide. In the coming years, if global temperatures continue to increase, the percentage of severe water shortage area overlap will increase as will demand for wheat calories. That does not agree with your more CO2 = more food argument. I think you need to start putting time frames alongside your claims. Also, maybe state when CO2ppm numbers will no longer support your position. Wheat Production.pdf

So screw the Senate. Sometimes you need to burn a site, just because.

And that makes it worth how many millions of dollars and putting at risk how many troops? Think about this win in real terms. Smart Bombs at $25K per, Fighters at $30K+ per hour flight time, ordinance guys, shipping costs, untold dozens of support personnel, planning staff and on and on and on. Maybe TriGirl can put a real number on this, I sure can not, other than I know it's a fuck load of money. Some nights you just need to stay home and be entertained by TV so you can pay the rent.

Yes to this and the previous and so on. I don't like the standards so I simply lowered my standards. I do not believe the lefts political leaders understand reality, know how to fight or have their shit together in any detail. I'm not expecting a win. I'm thinking Thermopylae. When I was a kid I was a runt. I learned that sometimes you need to take a swing even if it means an ass whoopin'.

O.K., I'll take that as a no. Interestingly, you make the point here that all is unchanged but make no mention of deserts being lost and food production increasing.

Actually, we saw ourselves more as trail blazers. And you are very welcome.

You're a DZO, right? You don't make decisions based on possibilities? I mean, surely you don't wait until bounces become a banality before taking action. You believe in science, right? Is there a CO2ppm number or rate of increase that would concern you?

Word! What would any of us admit to if it was secret?

It's the "thus far" bit that inspires a certain level of ill grace when responding to your conclusions. CO2 is spiking and the evidence supports the idea of AGW. Yes, some locations will benefit and others will not. Also, time may or may not be on everyones side. It's definitely on my side although it may not be on Greta's, or your kids, side. You know well that it's not a simple less deserts and more food argument. Ecosystems need also be considered. Right now some fisheries in the Bering Sea are in decline because of warming water. True, other rich fisheries will likely open as other areas become accessible just as new deserts will form as others green. We've beat this up again and again. It's all old news. Seriously, we're now at 411ppm CO2. Is there a level or rate of increase that would cause you alarm?

Page 3. The· President: "I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it." You ask for a favor and a quid pro quo is implicit, seems to me. This isn't the end of it. There will be documents outside of the call. The asshole was for sure using his office, and our tax dollars, for personal, campaign related gain. He has an excellent track record of wiggling free, I'm just thinking this may be too much to out wiggle.

If existing, tested and bullet proof technology allowed for the regulation of CO2 in the atmosphere I'm certain we'd use it. We might even use the technology as an economic or military weapon. For sure, humankind has missed few opportunities to re-engineer our environment if a buck could be made. Sort of, you have to wonder how far into the future lays the ability control the composition of the air we breath.

This is by note takers, not given as verbatim. Nonetheless, it seems an obvious strong arm attempt to me. Ukraine call doc..pdf

Well, at least she didn't claim to have been fighting for CO2 reductions her entire life. Look, I give the kid great credit but Thor Heyerdahl she ain't. Nor is the Malizia II another Kon-Tiki, it's a first class, blue water sailing yacht. I was able to cheer her on but only short of her scolding adults on a world stage. That would have been a great time for her claim of "selective mutism" to kick in.

An Oregon Duck? No worries Nancy, we're all Beavers here.

Coreece, give it a rest. You wrote: "directly or indirectly expressed hope for the deaths of older conservatives whose world view hinders their twisted and hypocritical liberal agenda." Indirectly is a very subjective analysis. You know: bullshit. And this ostensible "twisted and hypocritical liberal agenda" business, are you referring to our liberal willingness to ignore our fondness for horrifically murdering innocent babies while we hypocritically concern ourselves with statistically insignificant gun murders?

So has anyone actually met BillVon? Is he Pelosi? She'd insist on being a mod, right? This whole thing is freaking me out.

Do you suppose Pelosi reads SC?

Bully! Now let's roast the miserable bastard.

Am I free to conclude we have an area of agreement?

Congressman Richard Neal, Chair of the House Ways and Means Committee. He had a two week window before Trump shut down the chance with a lawsuit. New York passed the law and the Governor signed it. Neal simply fumbled the opportunity. We suck. https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2019/07/08/cuomo-signs-law-allowing-new-york-to-hand-over-trumps-taxes-1087835

Yes, he can be beat but it won't be with a good dose of vim and vigor. Not even if we get gosh darn mad. These people are street fighters. No rules, no conscious, just winning. Neal had a chance to have Trumps tax returns but took a pass because of the optics. Does anyone think they'd pass because it didn't look right?

Sure. And as fast as the D's can get their collective shit together now is a good time to start.

He's anything but ideal but if he doesn't keel over, pull out his hearing horn or lose his fixodent between now and November 2020 he probably has the best chance of drawing fringe voters. He did get fired up enough to say he'd beat Trump like a drum, so that's a positive. For smarts you have to like Buttigieg and Warren. Sadly, we don't yet live in that America.

Backlash. Bush was widely seen as an illegitimate President by many Americans. Internationally he was seen as a terrible President. We travel internationally a lot. When he was reelected we noticed a different feel. It was a sort of "Seriously, again?" Our current President is a traitor, it seems. It's past time for parsing silly shit. The asshole needs to go.

It's obvious we can not beat the right with solidarity and strategy. Or smarts, for that matter. So lacking are D leaders in the clever and spine department, so lacking are D candidates for president in the sensibility department, that there's little doubt we'll flub it. So, it seems to me that without a 2020 Presidential win in sight, we might as well roast the orange bastard a little. Who knows, maybe he can be wounded enough to get a serious R primary challenger. If we're lucky, maybe some D leaders at the State level can turn it into a Senate or House seat or two. Maybe it'll deny the doof a few hours of tanning bed, combover, hairspray, watching Fox and Friends, and other Nationally important Executive time in the morning, who knows? Those little bits are better than nothing which is just what we're getting now. It's time to get real. David's don't defeat Goliath's; Goliath's defeat Goliath's and the meek are not going to inherit the Earth. There's a reason the Federation of Planets spent their day's fighting the Klingon's, Romulan's and the Borg but not the Tribbles. Our species is not devolving from an advanced society of librarians. Gene Roddenberry simply observed that ass kickers win and Beanie Babies lose. That's the natural order of things. In the words of the great Richard Feynman; you don't like it? Go somewhere else. The masses aren't looking for help solving climate change or quadratic equations (put the Republican Agenda on one side of the = sign and Democrat Agenda on the other side....), they're looking for strong leaders tossing red meat and pounding podiums. They care about loving or hating AOC not AGW. It's time to face reality, the right has controlled the agenda for the last 10 years because they better understand human nature as it truly is; the left understands it as we wish it to be. We divide, they conquer. They encircle, we form circular firing squads. If ever there were a time to harden up and to promote and strengthen a presidential candidate that was appealing to the electoral masses now is that time. As far as I'm concerned the only person, regardless of gender, sexuality or economic philosophy, who's time in history is now is the candidate who can be made strong enough to beat Trump. That means accepting that there is a reason the Mueller report didn't move Trumps support needle in a meaningful way. It means accepting that a lot of people didn't vote for Hillary because they will never believe it's time for a female to be our President. It means accepting that our country has more racists, misogynists, narrow agenda evangelicals and sundry assholes than we counted. It means accepting that we need some of those votes. It means accepting that while it is likely that Elizabeth Warren won't beat Trump it's a certainty that William Wallace would. It means accepting the futility of reasoning into reality many of those well named deplorable's because they have an affliction: they are unable to see into the thoughts of others. Nor can they see beyond their current self interests, as defined that morning by Fox News or some jackass demagogue. Nor will most ever admit they were wrong. Context eludes them. Consequently, they will always dig in deeper and put their tribe first. I don't believe there are enough votes there to be worth the effort. Then there are the people who have the capacity to understand but simply care more about their wallet than our Nations reputation or the future of the planet. They don't think more conserved land is bad because we simply have enough. They aren't opposed to environmental regulations that are better for the nations health and welfare because it's unnecessary. They aren't opposed to LGTBQ marriage, adoption or bathrooms really. They care about the money. Specifically their money. And they put all other forms of collateral damage in a very not so close second place. Yes, they suck. But they also vote in droves. Like it or not, if the D's want those voters to hold their noses and vote for someone other than Trump then they need to put up someone those voters will actually vote for, not someone they said they voted for. And, if we do have a later, we can do the social justice thing then. It's no wonder the right tends to see Liberals as highway robbers instead of being legitimately concerned with social justice, environmental welfare and the future of our planet. We find out Bernie's a millionaire and cringe knowing it's bad press. We've branded ourselves the party of the have not's who want yours and then waste too much time and energy explaining to the righties that the soup kitchens aren't being built for them, too. Of course we don't want America to be Venezuela. But now that the right has, and so, so easily, established the meme in the minds of their acolytes, it's catch up ball again. Being successful, having bags of money and not wanting it taken away to be wasted on lazy jerks is not unreasonable. Yes, it's vastly more complicated than that but for once let's just don't go there. Instead recognize that numbers like a quarter million or half a million or 5 million are small piles of chips in Dallas, Texas, San Diego and many other cities big and small. Fortunes like $10 Million or $100 Million and more should be laudable achievements in today's economy not evidence of perfidy and greed. We are capitalists, right? Of course there are levels of individual and corporate wealth that are unhealthy for the economy and should be heavily taxed. But the reality is that a few Billion is the new few Million and the deplorables don't give a rat's ass if you stole it cheating on your taxes because they would, too. A lot of the people who have been harmed by Trump will never be able to sort that out on their own. However, I do think enough of their votes can be had by a properly chosen messenger. But the reality is that the few votes that may be obtainable are not swayable by logic, facts or reason. They'll be won over, if at all, with slogans and outright silliness spouted by a face that is acceptable to their prejudices. But we won't. We'll F it up, for sure. Like pheasant's in a coop we'll peck each others tails off not realizing that now we look stupid, too. As it stands, even if impeachment proceedings in the House aren't completely flubbed and, against all odds, lead to a conviction in the Senate we're still on track for a President Pence or, for all we know, Ivanka. Whatever. Frankly, at this stage I'd take 8 more years of George W. to escape this goat rope. So screw it, let's be good serfs and have some big fun roasting Trump while we wait to get our asses kicked again. 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