TheAnvil

Only for taxation. For redistribution via social programs, I think not. T'was not the role of government then, nor should it be now. Bellarmine uses this verse in his treatise on the role of religion in government. Very nice stuff. [:()] Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

From either of these, you deduce a divine endorsement of taxation by government for distribution, how, exactly? Both center on...personal responsibility . Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

Tina's quite the dumbfuck. Unfamiliar with McCain's platform in most regards. The GOP needs to get back to its roots - conservatism. Which is not synonymous with religious fundamentalism or evangelical Christianity. If anything, it should welcome their votes should they choose to give them, but openly discount their advocacy of government intervention into the social fabric of the nation - in all regards. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

What an interesting query...the inane assumptions therein are quite amusing in and of themselves. One must wonder why Jesus would choose between Limbaugh and the homeless. The homeless that are there because of ill fortune or mental illness, I'm sure He would be caring for. With regards to the lazy fucks/parasites, check out St. Paul's opining of such folk in his second epistle to the Thessolonians. Given the myriad examples of the healing of the sick throughout the Gospels, one wonders why you even bring up health care. However, that being said, a familiarity with the Gospels would show you that Jesus wasn't into government - he was into personal responsibility. Small wonder He's such an anathema to those who believe in the supremacy of the State (that's the democrats/commies/socialists - some might call all three synonymous). Saint Robert Bellarmine did a great bit of work on the relationship between the Church and State from a Church perspective - De Laicis contains much of it. Very good and forward thinking - especially for the time it was written. Pretty much pioneered the idea of individual freedom and popular sovereignty. Good stuff, in spite of some other stuff Bellarmine did with which I disagree. One wonders how you can directly equate higher taxes with helping the poor. Have you bothered to read the budget or even skim it perchance? I should think not given such a statement. I think the main reason you'll find conservatives and Christians against social programs is for fiscal purposes and for the fact that personal responsibility - as espoused by Jesus and many other Church figures - is a most admired and revered trait among that crowd. A belief that it's not the role of government to administer social services and that private institutions and religious organizations should bear that burden would also be grounds for such thinking. Humorous. And sad. Another not-so-sly attempt to slight Christians and conservatives alike. Only those with an obvious misunderstanding of budget, religion, the Bible, and its associated history and teachings could concoct it. Read the budget, Bible and Bellarmine's writings. Skim the budget. And DEFINITELY skim Bellarmine - it's a bit wordy, even if interesting. Haven't cracked that in years (Bellarmine at any rate).

I was worried about the mount. So it was OK with the included stuff, eh? Interesting. Got mine in and am about to mount it on my helmet. Going to put another mount on my camera helmet and use it as a backup.

Err...no. Nada. No way in hell. Socialism sucks ass. [barf] Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

Got this off of Boortz yesterday: "Starting in 2011, over the next 10 years, Obama is proposing almost $1 trillion in tax increases. And you wealth-envy types can rest your pretty little heads .. he is going to increase taxes on those evil rich people you so love to hate. Jake Tapper from ABC News has the breakdown: 1) On households making more than $250,000: $338 billion from turning back the Bush tax cuts. $179 billlion by reducing the limits on itemized deductions $118 billion by increasing capital gains taxes Total: $636 billion/10 years 2) On evil businesses: $17 billion comes from bringing back the Superfund taxes $24 billion fromtreating tax carried-interest as income $5 billion by codifying "economic substance doctrine" $61 billion from repeal of the LIFO accounting practice $210 billion from international enforcement, reform deferral, other tax reform $4 billion - information reporting for rental payments $5.3 billion from excise tax increases on Gulf of Mexico oil and gas $3.4 billion from repealing the expensing of tangible drilling costs $62 million from repealing the deductions for tertiary injectants $49 million from repealing passive loss exceptions for working interests in oil and natural gas properties 13 billion by repealing manufacturing tax deductions for oil and natural gas companies $1 billion by increasing to 7 years geological and geophysical amortization period for independent producers $882 million through eliminating advanced earned income tax credit Total: $353 billion/10 years There are people who actually believe that Obama is going to succeed in his quest to return economic prosperity to our country through taxation. There are also people who believe that wet streets cause rain. These people are commonly called "idiots." " [barf] Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

Still waiting for you to answer any of my queries adequately...don't worry. I won't hold my breath. Facing facts just isn't the liberal forte. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

Look at the budget proposal that came just following the government enlargement and spending bill...otherwise known as the stimulus bill to dumbfucks who actually believe that load of horse shit. You're not wrong. Stalin is smiling in his grave...or from the depths of hell. The cocksucker started smiling with TARP and he'll be dancing a jig as the appropriations bills pass through Congress. [barf] Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

Once again your perception and reality don't comport. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

There is nothing morally unjust about charging for a service. Banks are not moral. They exist to make a profit for shareholders. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

I wonder if that's the same provision he was referring to... Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

No. In that scenario, you have a job with a regular income and long term potential of remaining with the bank, ergo long term profit potential for the bank by having your money in there. Completely different cost projection paradigm than an unemployed person who doesn't bank there and will not have income when those benefits run out. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

Your belief and reality don't agree. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

They are not regular customers. They do not deposit money into these accounts to open them; it's deposited by the State on a regular bases for a limited time frame because the people in question have no income. Completely different paradigm. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

Not at all. I - and anyone thinking about it - fully expect them to make $$ off of money in house, staying within the legal ratios. I also expect them to charge fees to non customers for usage of equipment and services. Would you like them to pick up usage fees for ATMs that are not their own for the unemployed as well? LMFAO. This is a no brainer. Deal with it. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

ROFLMFAO! You haven't surpassed Lucky for the funniest post in Speaker's Corner history, but this is a pretty good attempt. Conservatives not face facts? This thread in and of ITSELF shows the issues left wingers have with that! Perhaps you don't read a lot of threads in here...or pay close attention. Prime example - something I LOVE to throw down left wingers' throats every time they get on their proverbial high horse about civil rights. Every time I ask a left winger who supports affirmative action why they support racial discrimination, they run like a coward. (Amazon's an exception; she admitted she supports racial discrimination; way to go, Jeanne! I'm still so proud of you). They don't want to face the fact that what they support is despicable and counter to what they claim to be. Vice answer, a tail between the legs and insults are about all you can get out of the average left winger when posed that query. There are SO MANY cases of liberals not facing facts it's not even funny. Conservatives as well, on occasion, to be fair. But as a general rule of thumb, not facing facts truly is the liberal forte. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

Interesting...I was referring to ATM and service inquiry fees as in the thread and not all fees - loan origination and the like. I'll have to read up on that. Thanks for the info. Cheers, Vinny

Once again you fail to address the point at hand - don't worry; it seems others join you. WRT your delving into bank finances and how they are, I thought it fairly clear I was referring to ATM fees/service fees for inquiries that were in question. My apologies if that was not clear. If you take into account all fees - loan origination, overdraft, etc - I'm sure the actual % income for any bank from them would be at least 35% or greater; probably greater. With regards to the issue at hand, I DO NOT CARE. Any money coming into the bank counts towards the total it must keep on hand in cash as compared to what it may lend out. Regardless of source. If the bank is using the same paradigm for unemployment funds as other funds with regards to strategy, then they're buffoons (I doubt this seriously). With regards to the issue at hand, I DO NOT CARE. This entire thread is HILARIOUS. I didn't know there was such ire against banks as to make people think they should give away services for free. Let's review and I'll go quite slowly and deliberately. FACT: Unemployed benefits recipients are NOT regular bank customers in this case. FACT: Liberals want the unemployed recipients to receive benefits identical to regular customers. FACT: THAT'S FUCKING MORONIC just in and of itself. FACT: This new method is more convenient to the recipient and cheaper to the government to execute. FACT: The money can be withdrawn and placed into another bank with whatever fee structure the recipient's own bank has. They've the time - they're not going to work. I could go on. This is simply liberals whining over and over again because banks make a profit. So fucking what. Anybody want to work for the gov't for free? No? If so and you want the banks to do so, then look in the mirror and say 'I am a hypocrite' over and over again. Facing facts - not the liberal forte. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

You don't know what you're talking about. - Funds come in a fixed amount FROM THE STATE and are placed into an account. Banks are NOT lending to the unemployed. Lending by the day? For unemployment funds? Or WITH unemployment funds prior to their withdrawal? BULLSHIT. NADA. NO DICE. - This method is FAR cheaper to the State, being an EFT. No printing or mailing required. The only difference here is one of personal responsibility. No WONDER left wingers are up in arms about it! No need to be responsible, little bolshevik...the State will take good care of you...now remember...capitalism/personal responsibility bad...socialism and the State are good...[barf] - This bullshit someone said about fees being a primary source of bank income is HILARIOUS. Compared to loans?? Yeah, right. Whatever. greater than less than...the alligator is hungry...elementary school math... - If the State wished to preclude fees being charged, it should have made that a condition when it issued the request for proposal for banks to bid on the contract. As I've stated time and again - the banks are correct to charge fees IAW their own cost paradigms. The people receiving these benefits have the option of withdrawing these funds and placing them elsewhere, where they can use their own banks' ATMs and services to their hearts content over and over again at whatever fees they were paying elsewhere. Liberals don't just want the benefits. They want the $$ along WITH the added convenience of direct deposit & debit card with unlimited use of bank services, free of charge. Tough shit. That increased cost is not one that should be borne by taxpayers or the banks. If you're unemployed, you have time to go to the bank, withdraw the funds, and deposit them elsewhere. YOU'RE NOT WORKING!!! Hmm...kind of like you'd take your check from your mailbox, take it to your bank, and deposit it! Except for you don't have to wait for the mail because it's a direct deposit via EFT! More convenient! My God! And people complain! This is a no brainer. Banks are an easy target for ire and that's the only reason this is even making news. Dear God education in America is so fucked. - Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

I'm giving up wild sex with Skymama. I'm too much of an irreverent JACKASS to give up tequila.

Unemployed people typically use unemployment $$ to pay their bills. How long they leave any $$ in those accounts is irrelevant. I don't care. Regular customers will leave them longer, as unemployment benefits are for a finite time period. Expecting a private entity to give away $$ in support of a government program is absolutely bankrupt from a moral standpoint. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

You didn't answer the question and alluded to an opposition to government contractors making a profit? Would you work for the government for free? If not, please explain your hypocrisy. All ears...and if you'd care to answer the question, I'm sure we'd all be delighted to read your answer. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

I disagree, Dave. The estimation paradigm used to estimate profit from regular customers versus those receiving unemployment benefits cannot be the same. COMPLETELY different ball of wax. Their overhead costs, therefore, will not be the same. Do you honestly expect the majority of those receiving unemployment benefits to leave that $$ in the account long enough for the bank to realize a profit on it? No way. They plan on that entering and exiting within the same month, with PERHAPS a 10% retention at best. Regular customers, on the other hand, leave their $$ in far longer. Totally different paradigm. Regular customers give them far more benefit, therefore they should have preferred status. I have NO ISSUE with those folks being charged a nominal fee. They are NOT part of the overhead budgeted for people/machines and should be charged. Use a service - get charged a fee. No brainer. If they don't WANT to get charged repeat fees, GO TO THE TELLER AND WITHDRAW IT ALL, THEN PUT IT IN THE BANK OF THEIR CHOICE. Again - a no brainer. When they used to receive an unemployment check in the mail, that's EXACTLY what they would do. Now they don't have to wait for the mail. It's more convenient and they're bitching about a nominal fee for the convenience. Libs call this bank cruelty? Bullshit, balderdash, and billingsgate. Banks are NOT providers of social programs. The State set up this new system to make it more convenient to its unemployment benefits recipients. If the recipients have an issue with it, their problem is with the State and not the bank. Again - a no brainer; unless you're a Democrat. Oliver TWist...I believe I already mentioned apples and oranges and how it's not apropos to compare the two... Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

Charging a fee for a service is not screwing someone over. Period. No exception. No negotiation. Fact. Deal with it. Only democrats would complain about paying a fee for more convenient access to their government provided money. What in the HELL makes you think BoA or Wells Fargo or any other bank should absorb costs out of overhead to execute a government program? Instead of 'I think bank XYZ should absorb costs out of overhead to execute a government program because...' as an answer, all that's been presented so far is typical liberal bullshit. "The banks shouldn't charge the unemployed" or "The banks are kicking them while they're down" or "The banks can make money off $$ left in their accounts" and inane comments like that. Never ANSWERING THE FUCKING QUESTION. Because facing the facts about the absurdity of the left wing position is just too unpalatable to bear. A liberal forte, not facing facts. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!