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PFT (physiological flght training) is SIM recommended for all high altitude jumps (above 15k). Its obviously very important; however, I wanted to know if anyone has made 25 to 30k ft jumps with out this training. Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks, jay

completed profile or not, these "top secret" statistics are published in Parachutist magazine by the USPA every year. They split annual fatalities by experience level. You should give them a call and purchase the back issue with the last annual summary. Jay

a new york times article: New Thrill for the Bored-With-Just-Parachuting Set By COREY KILGANNON Published: August 23, 2004 ARDINER, N.Y., Aug. 20 - From 5,000 feet up, a parachutist glides gently to earth, destined for a soft, feathery landing in the grassy airfield here at the Blue Sky Ranch, at the base of the Shawangunk Mountains. But suddenly, at about 500 feet, the jumper abruptly begins plummeting in a downward spiral and seems in a free-fall death plunge. At precisely this unnerving moment, though, cheers erupt from a crowd assembled around a small artificial pond below, and the jumper deftly pulls out of the plunge by banking a turn toward the water. Advertisement In a steep, swooping approach, he hurtles toward the pond at about 70 miles an hour. The parachute bleats loudly and the jumper controls it like an airplane wing, leveling himself off and flying low and steady and horizontal just above the pond surface. It all culminates in a moment of graceful parachute control, as the jumper dips one foot into the water - or two feet, like a barefoot water-skier - and skims the length of the 240-foot pond before slowing to a gentle touchdown on the far bank. It is called pond swooping, and the Pond Swooping Nationals began Friday at the ranch, a parachute club just south of New Paltz, a 90-minute drive from Manhattan. Ranch regulars claim to have invented this extreme form of high-speed, high-performance parachuting, now popular with a growing subset of thrill-seeking adrenaline junkies bored with simply plummeting to earth as plain old sky divers. The tournament, in its sixth year, attracts the world's best pond swoopers, competing for about $7,000 in prizes. On Friday morning, they began their runs, swooping down to the water every minute or so - first Sonic, then The Punisher, then Fruitcake - flying over the water in a narrow buoy lane, first curved, then straight. Just as many competitors in the weekend event skimmed along on their bellies or buttocks, or lost speed and control and splashed unceremoniously into the muddy water, to hoots and jeers from spectators. This is called chowing, and it is as integral to pond-swooping fun as the perfect surface glide. Splashers get flagged down by the chow judge, Bruce Chapman, which means a big deduction of points from the judges sitting lakeside in lawn chairs. They assess a swooper's approach, skim length and swoop control. In other events, swoopers try to land on a raft, and show their freestyle skills in an event called canopy expressions. The crowd watched intently as Clint Clawson, 29, from Perris, Calif., drifted down from the clouds and swooped down on the pond. Mr. Clawson, a top pro on the national Pro Swooping Tour, has won the event at the ranch the past two years. With his black Chuck Taylor hightop sneakers, he traced a graceful arc in the water before landing on the far bank, while mugging for the crowd. The son of sky divers, Mr. Clawson said he began jumping out of planes by age 9 and eventually started swooping for the thrills and the emphasis on skillful maneuvering. Swoopers use a small parachute called a canopy, which allows them to drop out of the sky much faster than a larger chute. At 84 square feet, Mr. Clawson's canopy looks like a picnic blanket, made from densely woven nylon for minimum air seepage. During a dive, its riblike pockets fill with rushing air, turning the chute into a stiff wing that jumpers can steer like a high-performance glider. The swooper dives to gather speed and then converts it to lift, to sustain a long horizontal flight above the pond. Another contestant, Eldon Burrier, 38, a landscaper from Seattle, said he began conventional parachuting in the 1980's as an Army paratrooper. After taking up swooping three years ago, he is now on the pro tour. "I'm a speed freak and this is a serious taste of speed," he said. "Swooping is like doing a high dive, but with a parachute." But it is also dangerous. There are the occasional newspaper articles about tragedies like swoopers dying while using recreational drugs, or the dive center in Chicago that recently had six deadly plunges in a year's time. In the 2001 nationals here at the ranch, Lisa Gallagher, 41, of Columbus, Ohio, hit a wind gust during her approach. Her parachute collapsed, and she slammed into the ground and died. A rescue captain for the Gardiner Fire Department, Dot Bailin, watched that and the deaths of two conventional sky divers at the ranch. "I'm just watching human beings bounce themselves around," Ms. Bailin said, as she leaned against the first-aid equipment in the back of her Dodge pickup and watched each landing closely. She treats a steady stream of sprains, cuts and bruises. People with broken legs and arms go by ambulance to a local hospital. Those with broken backs or necks, or worse, go by helicopter to Westchester Medical Center, she said. Swoopers and tournament officials say that safety is their first concern and that all competitors have completed thousands of sky dives. They welcome critics to compare the dangers of swooping to driving a car or swimming in the ocean. "Yes, you have to dive to pick up speed, and if you mess it up, you're going to die," explained one ranch regular, Rick Graham, a 43-year-old computer consultant from Queens who said he sky-dives, surfs hurricane swells and has bungee-jumped off the Manhattan Bridge. "It's dangerous," Mr. Graham said, "but for some of us, it's the only time we're in control of our own destiny. If this sport was totally safe, most of these guys wouldn't be here." Jay

I'm just reading up on the proper maintenance of my new slinks tabs and some of their recent problems (steering line interference). If this problem can be solved with Slink Riser Covers, why are people still having problems with slink tabs? Are some people not using them? If so, why? Kind of an obscure question, but I'm curious. Jay

Just wondering from all you folks who attended last year: Does the camping area get really crowded with tents or do most get hotels? I usually camp but am wondering how much room there will be . . . Jay

why? Is it that way for all Army "Sport/Exhibition" teams? a friend from my college days is a 2nd Lt., Army Rangers, and he is on the Army Crew Team (as a rower, of course.) Jay

I was wondering why there aren't any officers on the Golden Knights Demo and Competition teams. Is that coincidence or protocol? Just wondering . . . Jay

thanks! Jay

Can someone explain what that is? Thanks! Jay

I'm a flying jew . . . I'm pretty sure Dan BC is a member of the tribe Jay

I can see where you're coming from; however, if there were 2 more gear checks this month, there would be 2 less uncocked pilot chutes in the Incident Reports in Parachutist. Jay

The Sunrise website says the that rush delivery time for Wings is 3 WEEKS. If I ordered a Wings (all black, nothing custom)on rush order with a sabre2 main and pd reserve (both in stock on PD website), is it possible to have it by December 10? (6 WEEKS)? So give it to me straight, I am I completely smoking crack for thinking this is remotely possible. btw, I know many threads for discussed delivery times, but there hasn't been much discussion on the the punctuality of rush orders. Jay

Hands down, my one and only jump with Roger Nelson. Jay

I've carried-on my rig at least 5 times in the last couple of months. No problems at all. I had one TSA official tell me about his time in the 82nd. and I had another ask me very intelligently if I had a AAD. Jay

AGREED. Jay

I'm bound to cause some trouble by saying this,but why should you have to pay for someone's jump ticket to jump with them? How about "Hi, would you like to do a 2- or 3-way with me?" If you want some real coaching, then go to SDU. But SDU costs a load of money. Its great for learning new skills, but not cost-effective for practicing them. I say, don't be afraid to ask the up-jumpers. If the skygods and dz royalty don't have time for you, find a new (and more inclusive dz) to jump at. Jay

freeflying is still diving in the sky, so I wouldn't go as far as saying "death." it has occurred to me (and I could be wrong) that most TRULY competitive 4-ways teams are age 35+ and most competitive freefliers are in their 20's. personally, I have tried to learn both flat and freefly at the same time. I really don't understand why it has to be one or the other. Jay

I ordered my bev suit on a tuesday and had it 2 DAYS later on thursday. Granted, I paid for a "double rush", but holly crap that's fast! Jay

Just for the record, I didn't send a letter to Rome. If I did, it wouldn't be an angry rant. I figured this was my place for that. I'm all for fighting people with the facts in the most intelligent and articulate manner. But what upset me is that we roll over too much. I would love to see a concerted (sp) effort to spread a positive message about this sport. Sometimes I'm a bit trigger happy. Thats just from working in politics I guess. Jay

JIM ROME IS A GUTLESS FUCKING BASTARD. I just listened to Jim Rome's show and all he did was lie about Roger. It makes me sick to hear his name being dragged through the mud like this. The man was a pioneer. He deserves better. Rome said that the SKYDIVING SCHOOL at SDC has had 14 deaths. For starters, we all know that the great majority of accidents didn't involve the SCHOOL (ie Tandems). All he kept saying was that Roger "had it coming" and that his family should have been surprised every evening when you came home. It makes me sick. Roger was all about safety. I never jumped with anybody who stressed it more. In fact the fatality rate in this sport would be multiples of what it is today if it wasn't for Roger's innovations in safety and training. Whether it is CNN.com or the New York Post, they all have printed the same crap about one of the greatest skydivers ever. And as you can witness from all the posting here, he was a kind and inspirational person as well. When is all this negativity and slander going to be dispelled by people who know better. Us. Skydivers. In New York this hasn't been "Page 1", but all over the country people are reading these stories and thinking Roger was just another crazy maverick who endangered himself and others. The USPA and fellow skydivers should do more to educate people (whuffos) about who Roger really was and how far skydiving as a sport has come. How safe it is. The future of this sport relies on reaching the hearts and minds of all those people who believe people like Jim Rome. Now I don't have all of the facts (I admit), but "8 times the national average"? It would seem that a dropzone that makes 8 times as many jumps over 10 tens may be unfortunate to have more accidents. Well I'm done ranting . . .but I felt something should be said. Thanks for humoring me. Jay

I only jumped with Roger once, recently. I've been jumping for less than a year, and I would never expect to get on a jump with Roger Nelson, but that speaks volumes about the person he was. He embodied everything I wish to achieve in this sport, and I am still in shock he is gone. Like most others who may only have spent a brief moment of time with him, he had a profound and lasting affect on me probably without ever knowing it. It is no exageration to say that Roger was a hero and a role model to me. I don't live in the Midwest, but I looked forward to making SDC my home dropzone away from home and learning from Roger. I hope Roger's spirit and dreams live on at SDC. My deepest sympathies to Missy and Rook and all those who lived, worked and played with Roger. And thank you, Roger, for spreading the love.

Perhaps that because more jumpers have AADs. If 90% of the jumpers wear AAD's, aprox 90% of the fatal jumps would be w/AAD. all good points, I was just inferring that REGULATING that ALL jumpers have an AAD would not significantly alter fatality rates in this sport.

I could be wrong (and I may be) but it seems to me more jumpers have died with an AAD in their rig, than without.

I went from a telesis 230 (as a student) to a pd 170 in my first rig and had no problem at all. I weigh about 170 lbs as well. I don't think it is a matter of how many jumps have, but how comfortable you feel under canopy. Don't downsize if you can not consistently land on target with a 230. I do kind of worry when I start loading on a weight vest for rw. Thats when things get a bit more interesting. Jay

cool website Lolie. I graduate UW in 2000 and made my first jump in a corn field at 7 Hills Skydiving. Ever jumped there? Jay