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maybe they shouldn't have allowed the town to expand around the plant over the decades. Sort of like building around an airport and then complaining about a plane crashing into a building... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

960: Doge of Venice Pietro IV Candiano reconvened the popular assembly and had it approve of a law prohibiting the slave trade 1102: Trade in slaves and serfdom ruled illegal in London: Council of London (1102) 1117: Slavery abolished in Iceland 1200: Slavery virtually disappears in Japan; it was never widespread and mostly involved captives taken in civil wars. 1214: The Statute of the Town of Korula (Croatia) abolishes slavery. 1215: Magna Carta signed. Clause 30, commonly known as Habeas Corpus, would form the basis of a law against slavery in English common law. 1256: The Liber Paradisus is promulgated. The Comune di Bologna abolishes slavery and serfdom and releases all the serfs in its territories. 1274: Landslova (Land's Law) in Norway mentions only former slaves, which indicates that slavery was abolished in Norway 1315: Louis X, king of France, publishes a decree proclaiming that "France" signifies freedom and that any slave setting foot on the French ground should be freed 1335: Sweden (including Finland at the time) makes slavery illegal. Though this is not enacted. A true abolition of slavery does not occur until 1813. 1416: Republic of Ragusa (modern day Dubrovnik, Croatia) abolished slavery and slave trading 1435: Papal Encyclical - Sicut Dudum - of Pope Eugene IV banning enslavement on pain of excommunication. All these prior to 1492 many of these also predate 1492, or the african explorations of europeans... In Senegambia, between 1300 and 1900, close to one-third of the population was enslaved. In early Islamic states of the western Sudan, including Ghana (750–1076), Mali (1235–1645), Segou (1712–1861), and Songhai (1275–1591), about a third of the population were slaves. In Sierra Leone in the 19th century about half of the population consisted of slaves. In the 19th century at least half the population was enslaved among the Duala of the Cameroon, the Igbo and other peoples of the lower Niger, the Kongo, and the Kasanje kingdom and Chokwe of Angola. Among the Ashanti and Yoruba a third of the population consisted of slaves. The population of the Kanem was about a third-slave. It was perhaps 40% in Bornu (1396–1893). Between 1750 and 1900 from one- to two-thirds of the entire population of the Fulani jihad states consisted of slaves. The population of the Sokoto caliphate formed by Hausas in the northern Nigeria and Cameroon was half-slave in the 19th century. It is estimated that up to 90% of the population of Arab-Swahili Zanzibar was enslaved. Roughly half the population of Madagascar was enslaved If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Traders, businessmen, African slavers and slaves each had a unique experience and involvement in the business of the transatlantic slave trade. This lucrative process, that lasted between 1500 to 1870 AD included three different hemispheres: Europe, Africa, and the Americas, specifically Jamaica. In Africa slavery existed long before European exposure, however, over time the motivation for slavery changed. Originally slavery existed because of the expanding of African territories or the need to pay off debts. Europeans, during their attempts to make a shorter trade route to India and Asia, encountered the African custom and adopted it. Therefore, the Europeans filled their pockets with goods from West Coast Africa, including human cargo. Those persons who were captured were auctioned to other Europeans in Western Africa, and then shipped to European colonial lands including Jamaica. The slaves were then put to work on a plantation-based colony, whose goods were sent back to its mother country. The triangular system perpetuated the demand for slaves by Europeans in order to increase their country’s wealth. Throughout all of the shipping of goods, including human cargo, individual people were involved in the evolution of the transatlantic trade. The main focus of this paper is to see the overall dynamics of the system, and involvement of individuals and countries, like Jamaica. The evolution and immersion of the transatlantic slave trade not only strengthened capitalism for individuals and their countries, but in turn it weakened Africa and Jamaica by making it dependent economically on outside nations. The slave trade in Africa began long before the introduction of Europeans. Africans would enslave people for different reasons contrary to the modern stereotype, profit. According to the memoirs of an Italian born French slave trader, Captain Theodore Canot (also spelled Canneau) there are five principles for the enslavement of Africans by other Africans. The first reason for slavery was the prisoner of war. War between rival communities over land or for other fractions left people who were captured. These people were mainly adopted into the new culture, in order to increase the power of the dominant society; they were not only used for labor purposes. War between communities was not the only means of fighting that caused slavery. The second principle concerns fighting between family members. If a household becomes too upset by a certain member of the family, the remaining members have the option to sell the troublemaker into slavery. This in turn would solve the familial problem, as well as enable profit for the family and the individual. The family gains wealth and goods, as the individual is able to learn how to control oneself as well as gain a sense of responsibility. Debt proved to be another main resource for the buying and selling of people in Africa, which is the third principle. "In Africa, where coin is not known, the slave is made a substitute for this commodity, and in each district a positive value is given him which is passed for currency and legal tender." There are cases of parents having to sell their kin because they were in such debt, as well as people selling themselves into slavery for a certain amount of time. These were not uncommon forms that shaped the familiar frame of African tradition. The fourth principle of African slavery, according to Captain Canneau, contained those "inculpated with witchcraft, the Crim Con [criminal conviction] cases (not few in Africa), orphans of culprits, vagabonds who dare not to return to their tribes, and unruly sons." This shows a more focused rationalization to the enslavement of others, rather than just random selection. However, some of these are not acquired through choice but rather by birth, which proves to be a correlating perquisite to the American slave system. Finally, Canneau states that gamblers were the fifth principle to the evolution to slavery. This however, was evident after the introduction of Europeans. The gamblers mainly focused on trading for their own personal gain, which will be discussed later. Nonetheless, Africans take chances on selling each other in order to try to make their life situation better. A primary example of this is the selling of a handicapped child in order for the father to buy a new wife in hopes of having a ‘normal’ offspring. Slavery was not an uncommon theme in African life; nevertheless, the introduction to the European world changed the dynamics and motivation for African enslavement. The Portuguese, under the leadership of Prince Henry the Navigator, were among the first Europeans to ‘discover’ Africa. Europeans were trying desperately to find a new route to Asia and other middle-Eastern countries in order to speed up their trade. "Portugal which had the important advantage of being a politically united kingdom, looked for a route round Africa partly to extend the crusade against the ‘infidel’ Turks and partly to seek whatever material rewards might lie in wait." The Portuguese then established themselves in Africa during the late fifteenth century. Initially the attraction to Africa was the abundance of gold. The Portuguese were the first to establish trade with the Africans, and they set up their first colony. "Colonizing before 1480 the [Portuguese staked claim in] the Atlantic islands of Azores, Madeira and Cape Verde as well as Sao Tome in West Africa." "Other Europeans, notably the Spaniards, had also developed an interest.. with the result that by 1500 some 175,000 Africans had been shipped from Africa to Europe." Quickly the attraction to African gold ceased and the main focus turned to slavery. The European countries learned that the use of human bondage could increase their profit margins in their new colonies in the Americas. They deduced that Africans could work on the plantations, which would in turn greaten the wealth of the country. "In the early seventeenth century the governments of northern Europe, particularly England, France and the Netherlands, whose traders were already participating in a small way, began seizing land on a large scale in America and the Caribbean for slave-labor colonies." If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

what I'm saying is american in the southern states are no more guilty of anything than most of the world;s civilizations in the past or at the time. North american indians enslaved other tribes all the time, it was practices by Incas and Mayans, and by Egyptians and Greeks and Romans and by south Asian cultures. Americans gave it up after some and before others, and it still goes on today in parts of the world. But at some point you have stop saying that southerners (as in americans from the south) are (or even were, relative to others) bad people and therefore to be discounted by 'enlightened progressives' because they held slaves before the 1870's. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

So clearly prior to the Bill of Rights coming into effect, slaves and women had an inherrent right to free speech and the bearing of arms? Was it then the Bill of Rights and the Constitution that took these rights away from them, or did they just not have these rights to begin with? If they didn't have these rights to begin with, then how are they inherrent rights simply just confirmed in writing? you guys all like to talk like the southern states invented slavery and all things bad. Can we think a moment? Where did white Europeans learn about slavery? They encountered black slave owners in africa among other places who actually decided they could sell the Europeans some slaves to increase their productivity in the colonies. It wasn't just Americans. Pretty much all European nations used slaves at some point. Some European nations gave up on slavery before the states, but it still took decades after the civil war was lost before most if not all nations gave up on using slaves, and some nations still do. The states were by no means the worst perpetrators of the slave trade and considering how long ago it does, it certainly doesn't do your present day arguments a lot good trying to dredge up ghosts of slavery in the now. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

There are several problems with that gallup poll. They asked IIRC 1012 households. Now, for that household, although many females do actually own guns and carry, it is very possible that a female in the household will give a different answer than a male in the household. So it;s quite possible that the answer is not necessarily what everyone in the household would give. Another problem is in the wording. The question asked about firearms purchases, as if that is the only way firearms move. But what about other firearms transactions. Guns inherited, passed around, traded between family members or close friends. The legislation and the poll are treating all transactions as if they are purchases, which is not true. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Just as changes in liquor laws have no effect on liquor consumption. And we do prosecute kids who try to get liquor to the max -- the prisons are filled with them, aren't they? Wendy P. last time I checked, though, drinking, at any age, was not a right protected under the constitution... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

If you think passing more laws that criminals will just ignore will have any effect on gun related crime,, then you clearly don't understand the issue or you have very little experience understanding how criminals think. Has nothing to do with being arrogant. Has to do with just plain being wrong or naive. Take your choice. I don't think passing more laws is going to do anything. We need BETTER, more effective laws, not more laws. And one just defeated in the senate was certainly not it... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

hmmm. let's see then. Maybe if they came up with a law to provide background checks, without leaving the door open to to initiate a registry, they might get it passed. As it is, they couldn't get the bill past the ACLU If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

pot, meet kettle. Kettle, meet pot... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

maybe you should say that to quade or kallend... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

obviously they didn't have to search it, because he wasn't there. So the entire exercise was a waste of everyone's time, and serves as a template for other terrorists who want to shut down a major metropolis with a minimum of resources. It would have been more effective to ask people who are able to inspect their own properties and people who are unable to do that to ask police to come in to do it for them... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

It's the constitution, specifically the part about unreasonable search.... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, meet pot... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Nope, he's already proven mine. Anyone who thinks passing laws will make criminals more likely to obey them is living on another Planet. Or in this case, another country. OK, so no laws are necessary because criminals ignore them anyway. Drunk drivers, child molesters, bank robbers, kidnappers, rapists, etc. etc. etc. will love your perfect, lawless society. How you extrapolate that from what he said is a mystery. The fact is those are laws. People that break them get caught and punished after they break them. It's the same with gun laws. Stricter gun laws will not prevent the crime - the perpetrators will still only be caught after they break them, and then punished. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

They also include about 700-800 'justified' homicides by police or civilians IIRC... That might be higher. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

That's not what happened at all. They made a decision to operate outside the rules - it wasn't forced on them. It was same as any manhunt, washington sniper, etc. -- they just decided to write a new rulebook. And yes, they had to come up with actions to catch him, but the rulebook they had SPECIFICALLY told them what NOT TO DO without justification. They ignored it. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

One house, maybe even ten houses, if they have some glimmer of suspicion, but this apparently went on for blocks, and without any justification. This is more than some cops going to far in their attempt to catch a murderer - this order was sanctioned from above. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Different circumstance. (1) Private home occupier found dude in his boat. (2) He called police and invited them to come get him. (3) Police did (4) Boat totaled I have ZERO problem with that. Cops don't need a warrant if they are invited. It's the difference between me offering to go undercover and wear a wire to record my phone calls versus the cops wiretapping my conversations without my knowledge. There's a big difference. I suggest the kind of slack we're talking about is more like this: [Officer] "Sir, we believe the bomber is in this area. He's heavily armed with guns and explosives, and he's already shot and killed a police officer and taken hostages while escaping. He's wounded and desperate. May we please search your house? [Resident] >Well, I'm telling you he's not here; and you don't have a warrant. Why should I consent? We want to make sure he isn't in here holding you hostage, or might have snuck into your house without your knowledge, or might have tossed an explosive in here without your knowledge. >What happens if I still say no? Sir, look all around you. You see what's going on here. We need to clear this area house by house. It's a massive, urgent undertaking. We simply don't have time to get search warrants for hundreds of separate houses. And we need every available resource to do this. If you don't let us clear your house, we'll have to divert badly-needed officers, resources and attention to surrounding your house to keep it secure while we conduct the rest of our search. This will only take a few minutes. We need your help. Will you please help us? ======= At that point, the homeowner still has the right to say no. But he also has the option to cut the police some slack and voluntarily say yes. At that point it's not a legal decision, it's an ethical one. Sometimes the decent thing is saying yes when you have every right to say no. No. Come back with a warrant. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

It happened because they didn't know what the hell else to do and they knew the world was watching them so they had to be seen to do 'something'. Sort of a 'keep busy until we figure out what to do, ok.' If they hadn't let the second unsub get away from the firefight in the first place, they never would have put themselves in this position. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

pretty black and white in your world. There's assholes and insane people. No one who has any rights... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

What if it was 12 guys? Where is the demarcation point? Yeah, where were all those cops when LA was falling apart and people had to stand in front of their businesses with AKs while cops actually walked away>? And how'd that 'one guy' get away from all them cops while they were handcuffing his brother in the first place? That was no small police presence even at that early point. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

the article is certainly biased. As far as 90% of americans being in favor of increased background checks, that may be true, but those 90% of americans want common-sense laws that work. The bill that was just defeated wasn't that. Even the ACLU were against it, and mister cwood says they're a good indication of what should or shouldn't be... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Yup. So many more mass killings here since our GC measures. Like. More than zero. Wait, what? Oh, okay, forget that. Gun crime totally stayed the same, though. No drop at all. Yes sir. What's that? Oh come on... yup, and everyone including all your farmer's was and still is really happy to watch the video of the guns being destroyed... And home invasion robberies haven't gone up either. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Well, I would be wondering if any property went missing during the searches like happened in new orleans. Or if any pets got shot. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone