aarthus 0 #1 June 7, 2010 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdjf64_nancy-boogie-2010_sport#from=embed?start=117 next boogie, Lyon Corbas !Patrick de Guillebon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gadget 0 #2 June 7, 2010 I will be there and i even bring a denisch surprise If people from Poland are called Poles, why aren't people from Holland called Holes??? My logbook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aarthus 0 #3 July 5, 2010 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdxcgw_corbas-is-back-ii_sport and here is Corbas Boogie Wingsuit EditionPatrick de Guillebon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #4 July 5, 2010 Cool video. A bit heavy on the music, but sweet images! And cool 3D buildup of formations. The 'French flying' is always being referenced by you as the example when people are complaining about bent legs in videos. And I agree, it IS nice to always see the legs stretched. But reversing the comments, when will you guys start using the arm-wings more. A lot of forward speed is cool, but only makes for good glide if you fully fly the body. Not just the back part As in most flocks I see these days from those regions, the fallrates are quite fast/steep. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aarthus 0 #6 July 6, 2010 Quote when will you guys start using the arm-wings more We always refer to the original body position of Patrick de Gayardon... Make sense ? Quote the fallrates are quite fast/steep True it gives you forward speed 1- We like it this way 2- allows every one to be there despite their weight (no extra fabric needed) 3-more speed, more accurate Come over and try one day for a change... bring your shadow ! After Corbas, we also had this http://vimeo.com/12730241 in Empuria Even more fast/steep fallrate...so good Next meet in Brienne mid July and also the very special WS week in switzerland end of Agust (Locarno, Eiger & Mountain Gravity)Patrick de Guillebon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #7 July 6, 2010 Quote We always refer to the original body position of Patrick de Gayardon... Make sense ? In most pictures he is flying with the wings flat, in full flight position. Only when flying relative to a cameraguy (who doesnt have his skills) its usually the arms back. Im not asking to be a wise-ass. But I heard several people comment on having to collaps almost all their wing to fly with the formation. Ive flown with quite a few flocks in this style, so talking from experience. Not second guessing based on video. I like doing carving formations and dives. But also severly enjoy pushing wingsuits to their maximum. Between legs up, and arms back, there is a perfect body position for long flights with great glideJC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 3 #8 July 6, 2010 Quote Quote when will you guys start using the arm-wings more We always refer to the original body position of Patrick de Gayardon... Make sense ? Quote the fallrates are quite fast/steep True it gives you forward speed 1- We like it this way 2- allows every one to be there despite their weight (no extra fabric needed) 3-more speed, more accurate I'd sure like to come fly with you all, but I'd also sure like to think that if PdG were still around, he'd be flying suits (still) for maximum flight value rather than being a lawn dart aiming for the ground with forward speed. Some of us have no problem with the "down." It's the staying "up" that is the challenge. Put some armwing into it, it's like Viagra for the soul. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aarthus 0 #9 July 6, 2010 QuoteBut I heard several people comment on having to collaps almost all their wing to fly with the formation. When you collaps your wings, I have the feeling it's due to too much drag...I experienced it with my Blade... In Corbas, we increased the speed jump after jump, it was very interesting..! but difficult to stay in the Flock for large wing suits.Patrick de Guillebon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aarthus 0 #10 July 6, 2010 Quote I'd also sure like to think that if PdG were still around, he'd be flying suits (still) for maximum flight value rather than being a lawn dart aiming for the ground with forward speed. Not very sure about that, but still.... we just love it this way Quote some of us have no problem with the "down." In this case, it's more a problem of 'staying back' Come over to Europe, new experiences.....Patrick de Guillebon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #11 July 6, 2010 Quote When you collaps your wings, I have the feeling it's due to too much drag... That depends on the method in which you collaps wings. You can fold them back, with the wings as on tight surface. Or you can fold the wings into an arc (which creates plastic bags). But if at any time during a flock you can take of (forward) relative to the formation, it means they are not flying their best. Forward speeds may be high, but glide ratios on those jumps are usually minimal compared to normal full flight. Its a different angle, but not one that flies very well. Just on that goes fast forward as well as fast down. Quote In this case, it's more a problem of 'staying back' Thats only the view you have, being part of the group going down realy fast. The people 'stuck behind' may seem like they are flying less, but if they continue flying at their 'slower' rate, their better glide ratio is taking them past the formation quite a distance. With the intent being 'finding a speed that works for everyone' Id sure vote more armwing. High ground-speed is a far distance from a good glide. Thats the same problem you have in trackingderby, when focussing on furthest distance in a set amount of time. Its not about the best glide, but about the highest groundspeed and exit altitude. Fly Your Body...JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 3 #12 July 6, 2010 Quote Quote I'd also sure like to think that if PdG were still around, he'd be flying suits (still) for maximum flight value rather than being a lawn dart aiming for the ground with forward speed. Not very sure about that, but still.... we just love it this way Quote some of us have no problem with the "down." In this case, it's more a problem of 'staying back' Come over to Europe, new experiences..... If that's how you like flying; TERRIFIC!!!! Great for you. But please don't suggest the reason you do is because "That's how PdG flew." The discipline has evolved (I hope). I've been to Europe once this year. And will be back in September. Hope to see you there this time! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skwrl 56 #13 July 6, 2010 QuoteBut please don't suggest the reason you do is because "That's how PdG flew." The discipline has evolved (I hope). Well, Spot, keep in mind they still have a bicycle that powers their jump plane - just like Clement Adler (or the Wright Brothers, depending on which story you prefer). (I'm kidding... You French guys are great. I loved meeting you all in Elsinore two years ago... After all, how can you knock a country that came up with the French fry?)Skwrl Productions - Wingsuit Photography Northeast Bird School - Chief Logistics Guy and Video Dork Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aarthus 0 #14 July 6, 2010 sweet ! A few years ago, we had the visit, much appreciated, of someone who's now flying off cliffs with a hidden base rig. you can spot him twice in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsNg1Pg0mg8 He even dared wearing one of our suits.....quite fantastic ! So we are still waiting for you, Rooooooo !Patrick de Guillebon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aarthus 0 #15 July 6, 2010 Quote "That's how PdG flew." 1 - Which PdG,,,? ok... sorry 2 - Not "Flew"...body position... Hope to see you soon then...Patrick de Guillebon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #16 July 6, 2010 Maybe see you in soulac...better be flying, not diving JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 3 #17 July 6, 2010 Quote Quote "That's how PdG flew." 1 - Which PdG,,,? ok... sorry 2 - Not "Flew"...body position... Hope to see you soon then... You might share Deug's initials, but there is only one PdG....Body position isn't "flying" as in past tense "flew?"September...see you there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aarthus 0 #18 July 6, 2010 "Deug" is an university degree in France (two years studies) "Deg" is the nickname of Patrick "DE G"ayardon. I know, most people make this mistake. Yeah, but we were talking about body position... arms in the back ! see you then Patrick de Guillebon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #19 July 6, 2010 And just so we remember the correct body positionMost shots people reference on flying of Patrick, are of him flying relative to cameraflyers, planes and helicopters. But watch the windtunnel footage, and bits where he is not trying to pass a certain mark or position in front of the camera, and its the typical full flight we still teach and practice today. Just to make clear. Im not saying any other made of flight, using less performance is bad. Just a purist, and hoping to see more flying, and less falling/diving/powered tracking... JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aarthus 0 #20 July 6, 2010 yeah, just hoping to see some more flying with stretched legs.... Patrick de Guillebon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #21 July 6, 2010 And arms! JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aarthus 0 #22 July 6, 2010 Quotebut there is only one PdG....Tongue Deg's full name was "Patrick de Gayardon de Fenoyl"....PdGdFPatrick de Guillebon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #23 July 7, 2010 Quote Deg's full name was "Patrick de Gayardon de Fenoyl"....PdGdF Admit..you had to look up that last bit as wellJC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdynamnam 28 #24 July 7, 2010 Quote Quote 2- allows every one to be there despite their weight (no extra fabric needed) Yes... I admit I was bringing the wrong weapon to the battle. We did aprox. 110km/h vertical in most jumps. Nearly impossible to fly the Stealth like that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aarthus 0 #25 July 7, 2010 Quote I admit I was bringing the wrong weapon to the battle. Didn't you have the chance to try another suit that week end ? the so called D... S.. ?Patrick de Guillebon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
