justinc 0 #1 August 8, 2006 are containers on them bad for freeflying? I am thinking about buying a container that has velcro on it and someone told me it's not a good one to buy if I want to get into freeflying, is this true?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fff3 0 #2 August 9, 2006 velcro=premies=death, death bad Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dharma1976 0 #3 August 9, 2006 yeah not such a good idea I am currently yelling at someone for jumping one and he is big to begin with Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
packing_jarrett 0 #4 August 9, 2006 if you maintain the velcro then it will be fine. I have a velcro racer and I've never ever had any flap come open with my 250 (not a lot) freefly jumps.Na' Cho' Cheese Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanEHdian 0 #5 August 9, 2006 yes it's true, velcro is not recommended for freeflying, in fact it's not even apparent on any rigs being sold today for whatever discipline you choose in the sky - get the idea? If you're in the buying process, why get stuck with something that is not as safe?Time's flying, and so am I... (69-way, 108-way and 138/142-way Freefly World Records) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMURRAY 1 #6 August 10, 2006 Quoteyes it's true, velcro is not recommended for freeflying, in fact it's not even apparent on any rigs being sold today for whatever discipline you choose in the sky - get the idea? If you're in the buying process, why get stuck with something that is not as safe? you can buy a racer 2k3 (no velcro up the sides) or NOS (with all the velcro). Arguably, the racer NOS is the most comfortable rig out there. However, if I was into FFing (and I am not) I would look for a 2k3 - it is bulletproof. rm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AdamLanes 1 #7 August 10, 2006 I freefly my circa 1993 Racer with velcro. Some velcro rigs are not good to freefly, some are ok. My rig has excellent pin protection. Don't freefly a rig that has bridle velcroed to the outside of the rig; you want good bridle protection. Trust your instructors and your rigger, seek their advice and have them inspect any gear before you purchase it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AdamLanes 1 #8 August 10, 2006 New velcro rigs are being manufactured and available for purchase. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hparrish 0 #9 August 10, 2006 Velcro is NOT a good idea for freeflying. I'm assuming you are talking about velcro on the riser covers. I hope your not talking about the Velcro attachment point on your bridle (That's fine). Velcor anywhere else is BAD. Lets take Velcro on your Riser covers for example. You are going HD at 160-170 mph. If your riser flap comes open and your risers slide over your shoulder, this could be bad. At best you'll open with sever line twists, at worst you could have a premature opening going HD and snap your spine. Get the picture??? Riser protection is just as important as handle, pin, and bridle protection. i would avoid velcro. See if your rigger can modify your rig to move from Velcro to Tuck Tabs. See if your rigger can modify your rig to be freefly friendly. Check with advanced Freeflyers in your area and get their imput on your gear. Stay Safe........... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
78RATS 0 #10 August 10, 2006 Velcro Rigs are death traps. Matter of time. Rat for Life - Fly till I die When them stupid ass bitches ask why Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dolph 0 #11 August 10, 2006 QuoteI freefly my circa 1993 Racer with velcro. Some velcro rigs are not good to freefly, some are ok. My rig has excellent pin protection. Don't freefly a rig that has bridle velcroed to the outside of the rig; you want good bridle protection. Trust your instructors and your rigger, seek their advice and have them inspect any gear before you purchase it. My freefall pal had one of them 'guaranteed freefly friendly' velcro rigs. We were out there having fun when I for a brief second thought I saw something flapping. Milliseconds later his canopy deployed. He was a bit lucky though. Didn't get a horseshoe. Instead the PC war ripped out and wrapped around the canopy before the slider had come down at all. Which was probably pretty good because we were going pretty fast. He cut away and deployed reserve. Last jump on that rig right there - now he has a Mirage G4. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AdamLanes 1 #12 August 10, 2006 Velcro Rules!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dolph 0 #13 August 11, 2006 It sure does. It'll kick your ass bloody and still keep almost-doing-what-it-was-designed-to-do-in-an-environent-it-wasn't-designed-to-handle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #14 August 11, 2006 QuoteMy freefall pal had one of them 'guaranteed freefly friendly' velcro rigs. We were out there having fun when I for a brief second thought I saw something flapping. Milliseconds later his canopy deployed. He was a bit lucky though. Didn't get a horseshoe. Instead the PC war ripped out and wrapped around the canopy before the slider had come down at all. Which was probably pretty good because we were going pretty fast. He cut away and deployed reserve. Last jump on that rig right there - now he has a Mirage G4. Same thing happened with me and a friend, although he had a horseshoe. One second FF, next second he wasnt there. Cut away and landed fine. I'm hellof new in this sport, but wont FF with anyone who has velcro on the rig or the rig doesnt look FF safe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
packing_jarrett 0 #15 August 24, 2006 I've seen containers that are worse for freeflying than racers. Like a Javelin or Wings without the secondary riser covers. Tuck tabs come open more often than my racers riser covers. If people don't know what racers riser protection looks like the risers are completely enclosed. When all velcro is mated you cannot see the risers see pic. The velcro get replaced yearly its a cheap 10 minute operation. I ff in a rig that was made when I was 2 yr oldNa' Cho' Cheese Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #16 August 24, 2006 QuoteI've seen containers that are worse for freeflying than racers. Like a Javelin or Wings without the secondary riser covers. What? There are PLENTY of frefly friendly rigs without secondary riser covers.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
packing_jarrett 0 #17 August 25, 2006 I know but what I meant to say is that it could be a lot worse if the riser cover comes out if its something without secondary risercovers like a vector or mirage etc. If the tuck tabs came open on a wings javelin etc you automaticly have 20+ inches of riser exposed. Did I say that rightNa' Cho' Cheese Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #18 August 25, 2006 depending on what rig velcro can be superior than tuck tabs but only if well maintained the below comment is by none other than bill booth himself. but the following comment is also true! Quote billbooth In a lot of ways, Velcro is superior to tuck tabs. Most of our military customers have realized this, and order Velcro exclusively. The grass always seems greener....until you actually get to the other side of the fence, and see that there is crab grass over there too. riggermick Just like real grass it is very labor intensive, tuck tabs are more akin to Astroturf!! Mick. having said all that i prefer tuck tabs!"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crazyboy 0 #19 August 25, 2006 QuoteMy rig has excellent pin protection. Don't freefly a rig that has bridle velcroed to the outside of the rig; you want good bridle protection. AND you must have good riser protection. QuoteI freefly my circa 1993 Racer with velcro. That is suicidal... QuoteIn a lot of ways, Velcro is superior to tuck tabs. Most of our military customers have realized this, and order Velcro exclusively. Has anyone told him that military freefall is normally belly-flying?! For a normal freefall speed (about 120 mph), a GOOD MAINTAINED velcro is no problem. But when I fly with a speed of easily 200mph, I prefer a rig with tuck tabs. And I assume, that this is not one of these "a lot ways, where Velcro is superior to tuck tabs".If your parachute fails to open, remember you have the rest of your live to fix it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 60 #20 August 25, 2006 From Jumpshack: http://www.jumpshack.com/portal/content.asp?contentid=590 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMURRAY 1 #21 August 25, 2006 QuoteFrom Jumpshack: http://www.jumpshack.com/portal/content.asp?contentid=590 the racer 2k3 has NO velcro, has been out for about 4 years and is VERY secure for FFing. You can still buy a racer with velcro on the shoulders or on the sides (I love mine). In my opinion, Jumpshack does not do the best job of pointing out the advantages and disadvantages of each model. rm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hparrish 0 #22 September 5, 2006 Per the Jump Shack Link Provided "Tuck tabs are acceptable in certain applications - but inappropriate in many others. Change for the sake of marketing purposes is unwise to say the least, when it affects the integrity and functionality of life saving equipment". I'd ask Jump Shack if they consider Freeflying, one of the certain applications where Tuck Tabs are acceptable. I'll bet they say yes. I see nothing in this Jumps Shack description that is recommending Velcro as a Freefly Friendly option. Nor do I think they would recommend it in good judgement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMURRAY 1 #23 September 7, 2006 QuotePer the Jump Shack Link Provided "Tuck tabs are acceptable in certain applications - but inappropriate in many others. Change for the sake of marketing purposes is unwise to say the least, when it affects the integrity and functionality of life saving equipment". I'd ask Jump Shack if they consider Freeflying, one of the certain applications where Tuck Tabs are acceptable. I'll bet they say yes. I see nothing in this Jumps Shack description that is recommending Velcro as a Freefly Friendly option. Nor do I think they would recommend it in good judgement. totally agree with you. the 2k3 (no velcro) is what to get for FFing. rm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dharma1976 0 #24 September 7, 2006 and apparently the guy I have been lecturing had a premie the other day.... Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hparrish 0 #25 September 8, 2006 Quoteand apparently the guy I have been lecturing had a premie the other day.... Dave Classic............That's Too Funny, provided he didn't get hurt. Later, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
