GQ_jumper 4 #1 April 23, 2006 Lookin at the NSL draw for this weekend the draw for round 5 in AAA looks like it could be a 40+ for the top teams. The first four randoms are all centerpoint turns, and 17 is fast as hell. so Whatcha all think? I'm sayin yesHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blade 0 #2 April 23, 2006 I bet they won't do 40 points! Even if it is very fast, it is slower than FMPOE or BFLAN that are the kind of jumps that can score above 40 !Patrick Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #4 April 23, 2006 Even if it is very fast, it is slower than FMPOE or BFLAN that are the kind of jumps that can score above 40 ! Quote except for the block move in QOEF17, BFLAN has all bigger movesHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 4wayFly 0 #5 April 23, 2006 Quoteexcept for the block move er...exactly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites blade 0 #6 April 23, 2006 QuoteQuoteexcept for the block move er...exactly No more comment needed ! ... and even if BFLAN is not so fast fore a random jump it is a 42 point jump... France rules ! ;-)Patrick Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 7 #7 April 23, 2006 Don't forget that it is either a mirror or a slot switcher depending on how the team makes it. The current records had no slot switchers or mirrors: Fire 2006, 47: F M P O E. Straight French 2004, 42: B F L A N. Straight Airspeed 1999, 39 : M O H B P. Straight At the 2005 World Cup there was a potential record, but it had block 5 in it. Airspeed did a 34. It was a burner as well M J O 5. A mirror or SS will seriously hurt the speed of a jump. BTW we did a 20 on it I think....I had a bad exit."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #8 April 24, 2006 all you guys are against me, i hate every one of youHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #9 April 24, 2006 QuoteI bet they won't do 40 points kinda depends on who 'they' are. It's Texas and Carolina competing. Any of the big dogs in this weekend? Are the Knights competing in the Carolina meet? 17 could mess with the mental bits on the random work..... Thunder put up a nice score. nice draw though, most of the dives with a mirror or mem have plenty of opportunity to unwind of switch back. Of the first 6, only 3, 5 and 6 had some kind of mental work, and I think 3 and 6 'could' unwind so you'd only see one page. I think we'll use this draw for our first practice. All 11 have some good training stuff for a team that just needs to 'see' all the blocks prior to our first meet. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 7 #10 April 24, 2006 QuoteThunder put up a nice score I screwed up the exit. We just switched tail and point last camp...Last I remember tails job was to blast down on exit...Seems I did that great, but the getting back up kinda sucked Our score was not a good representation of what that dive could have been. We fiqured about a 22 minimum for us."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #11 April 24, 2006 A wise man once told me, "if you're not in - get in. If you are in - key the mother" Another series of comments, diver 1 - "you keyed it before I got in" diver 2 - "next time get in first" Blasting down on a Q is a delicate balance of .....yadda yadda, yadda, blah blah blah. Next time. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AMax 0 #12 April 24, 2006 Quote Blasting down on a Q is a delicate balance of .....yadda yadda, yadda, blah blah blah. Next time. I felt a physical pain when I was reading this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #13 April 24, 2006 QuoteI felt a physical pain when I was reading this was it in your eye? Take the spoon out of your coffee. {{if you want, we can fake something on the Q exit and see who bites.....}} Q launches were tough for our last tail (and thus all 4 of us), and I had no idea how to make it right other than ask her to be VERY aggressive in placing herself below the OC. But with our new lineup, I'm hopeful. We're of the school of "place it on the hill and just fly the sucker". Seems to work. Then once in a while we get lucky and a good coach tells us how to do one for 'real'. (but you know Ron, with a big point dive like that, I bet he was pissed for a bit - Thunder will be a good team for my guys to download and study this year, though - they'll be phenominal) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pr0ject42 0 #14 April 25, 2006 Just grip switch the Q exit for the tail. Most likely you've got the OC and Point taking a cheater grip out the door, so while they are fumbling around, have the tail swap grips. Easier to present off the door and since you have a higher chance of being stable off the plane, the grip switch should be fairly fast. Or just get a tail with monkey arms who can reach the bar and the OCs grip with arms crossed.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #15 April 25, 2006 Thanks - I ended up having her do the grip switch to be more comfortable. But it wasn't the problem, it was the presentation, never really low enough or comfortable on the hill.... One thing we tried that worked every time was to crowd it up a bit and have the tail launch with a sidebody on me (actually, hold the plane with the right, me (OC) with the left on arm, and drop to the sidebody AFF style and drop the left hand). I've seen other teams take it one step further and almost 'spring' the thing out sideways - works pretty good with everybody pointed up hill. Lots of ways to skin a cat. Maybe I was messing her up on the stock launch, maybe something else. I don't know. In the end, my position is the "4way" didn't launch it - we have to do it as a team and no one person is 100% responsible to make it work. Another thing that was fun was diving it out the door. The point and I didn't have the cheater, we'd lay a hand there just in case, but didn't pick it up most of the time. Any chance I have to work against 'sticky' hands - even on exit, I'll go with a light or touch grip. I'm thinking of sewing my point's thumb and finger together some evening when he's had a few - I think grabby grips are big score hurter.... New lineup this year, we'll just have to see how we take it off the plane with this group on Q (and all the rest). ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AMax 0 #16 April 25, 2006 Visualizing the whole team on the hill helps to learn how go get in a right place in a right time. Still have a spoon in my eye and it hurts a lot Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #17 April 25, 2006 QuoteVisualizing the whole team on the hill helps to learn how go get in a right place in a right time. Still have a spoon in my eye and it hurts a lot But I keep visualizing Fire instead of my team...... Seriously - I can coach that, but until it settles in for each individual, it stays sporadic - I have high hopes this year for all aspects of our flying, including exits. I like the launch slides that some teams use, they are very cool. I think any and all formations can be launched, even without cheater grips. Even from a narrow door. And we launched them all from a small King Air our first year (AAA) right up until a pro told us some couldn't be done..... - ignorance at the time was bliss.... Some you just don't want to because the gain isn't that much. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AMax 0 #18 April 25, 2006 Quote But I keep visualizing Fire instead of my team...... Wait a minute, aren't you an outside center ? I bet you are visualizing the right piece but the wrong slot Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bob.dino 0 #19 April 26, 2006 If you're OC, don't launch too far - you'll completely hose the tail. In my limited experience, if the tail stays low in the door, leaves at the right time, and presents, the rest works itself out. And yeah, grip switch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 7 #20 April 26, 2006 QuoteVisualizing the whole team on the hill helps to learn how go get in a right place in a right time. Really? All I have to say is 4 out of 6. Even when a coach told you to stop doing that. Once you guys work through that little bit...You will smoke a good number of teams. No one at Waller would have been able to keep up."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AMax 0 #21 April 26, 2006 Lol Perhaps I did not make it clear - I was referring to specific 'tail getting low' issue When I had to deal with systematic problem of not being low enough, visualizing the team on the hill (looking up and seeing everybody higher than you)helped a lot. Common, didn't you compliment my "long exits just a few weeks ago? P.S. 4/6 was a good lesson, no doubt about that Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TalbertGK4 0 #22 April 26, 2006 As much as that round five is a burner I would have a hard time seeing a 40 in there. More than anything the finish 17 to the Q. Neither a classic Q nor a Mickey mouse Q really help. building a classic the tail has to deal w/ the outside centers legs into the Q and then into the O where building the Mickey Mouse the out facing guy on the finish 17 has a 180 to the Q the a tight build w/ thier piece partner in the O. As odd as it may sound, having 5 and 17 in the same jump would promote a 40 way more than this draw. You have my two cents, now I am broke. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 4wayFly 0 #23 May 1, 2006 QuoteI screwed up the exit. We just switched tail and point last camp...Last I remember tails job was to blast down on exit...Seems I did that great, but the getting back up kinda sucked Ever tried the curly Q exit? Basically like a 20. You can have it as a throw-away if your regular Qs are sucking. It's pretty much bomb-proof but you all have to be clear in separating dropping cheat grips before the key. Everyone has to flash extra-big and in particular point must do a major flash. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 7 #24 May 1, 2006 QuoteEver tried the curly Q exit? Basically like a 20. You can have it as a throw-away if your regular Qs are sucking. No, I just screwed up the exit. We switched point (old me) with tail (new me) the week before and I just screwed it up. I dropped down and when the key came I was surprized and low on the hill. So I had to fight to get back to the Sidebody on the "O". If I was current as a tail I *might* not have screwed it up. We have not even walked all the exits with the position swap yet. Thats for the next camp."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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4wayFly 0 #5 April 23, 2006 Quoteexcept for the block move er...exactly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blade 0 #6 April 23, 2006 QuoteQuoteexcept for the block move er...exactly No more comment needed ! ... and even if BFLAN is not so fast fore a random jump it is a 42 point jump... France rules ! ;-)Patrick Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #7 April 23, 2006 Don't forget that it is either a mirror or a slot switcher depending on how the team makes it. The current records had no slot switchers or mirrors: Fire 2006, 47: F M P O E. Straight French 2004, 42: B F L A N. Straight Airspeed 1999, 39 : M O H B P. Straight At the 2005 World Cup there was a potential record, but it had block 5 in it. Airspeed did a 34. It was a burner as well M J O 5. A mirror or SS will seriously hurt the speed of a jump. BTW we did a 20 on it I think....I had a bad exit."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #8 April 24, 2006 all you guys are against me, i hate every one of youHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #9 April 24, 2006 QuoteI bet they won't do 40 points kinda depends on who 'they' are. It's Texas and Carolina competing. Any of the big dogs in this weekend? Are the Knights competing in the Carolina meet? 17 could mess with the mental bits on the random work..... Thunder put up a nice score. nice draw though, most of the dives with a mirror or mem have plenty of opportunity to unwind of switch back. Of the first 6, only 3, 5 and 6 had some kind of mental work, and I think 3 and 6 'could' unwind so you'd only see one page. I think we'll use this draw for our first practice. All 11 have some good training stuff for a team that just needs to 'see' all the blocks prior to our first meet. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #10 April 24, 2006 QuoteThunder put up a nice score I screwed up the exit. We just switched tail and point last camp...Last I remember tails job was to blast down on exit...Seems I did that great, but the getting back up kinda sucked Our score was not a good representation of what that dive could have been. We fiqured about a 22 minimum for us."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #11 April 24, 2006 A wise man once told me, "if you're not in - get in. If you are in - key the mother" Another series of comments, diver 1 - "you keyed it before I got in" diver 2 - "next time get in first" Blasting down on a Q is a delicate balance of .....yadda yadda, yadda, blah blah blah. Next time. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMax 0 #12 April 24, 2006 Quote Blasting down on a Q is a delicate balance of .....yadda yadda, yadda, blah blah blah. Next time. I felt a physical pain when I was reading this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #13 April 24, 2006 QuoteI felt a physical pain when I was reading this was it in your eye? Take the spoon out of your coffee. {{if you want, we can fake something on the Q exit and see who bites.....}} Q launches were tough for our last tail (and thus all 4 of us), and I had no idea how to make it right other than ask her to be VERY aggressive in placing herself below the OC. But with our new lineup, I'm hopeful. We're of the school of "place it on the hill and just fly the sucker". Seems to work. Then once in a while we get lucky and a good coach tells us how to do one for 'real'. (but you know Ron, with a big point dive like that, I bet he was pissed for a bit - Thunder will be a good team for my guys to download and study this year, though - they'll be phenominal) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pr0ject42 0 #14 April 25, 2006 Just grip switch the Q exit for the tail. Most likely you've got the OC and Point taking a cheater grip out the door, so while they are fumbling around, have the tail swap grips. Easier to present off the door and since you have a higher chance of being stable off the plane, the grip switch should be fairly fast. Or just get a tail with monkey arms who can reach the bar and the OCs grip with arms crossed.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #15 April 25, 2006 Thanks - I ended up having her do the grip switch to be more comfortable. But it wasn't the problem, it was the presentation, never really low enough or comfortable on the hill.... One thing we tried that worked every time was to crowd it up a bit and have the tail launch with a sidebody on me (actually, hold the plane with the right, me (OC) with the left on arm, and drop to the sidebody AFF style and drop the left hand). I've seen other teams take it one step further and almost 'spring' the thing out sideways - works pretty good with everybody pointed up hill. Lots of ways to skin a cat. Maybe I was messing her up on the stock launch, maybe something else. I don't know. In the end, my position is the "4way" didn't launch it - we have to do it as a team and no one person is 100% responsible to make it work. Another thing that was fun was diving it out the door. The point and I didn't have the cheater, we'd lay a hand there just in case, but didn't pick it up most of the time. Any chance I have to work against 'sticky' hands - even on exit, I'll go with a light or touch grip. I'm thinking of sewing my point's thumb and finger together some evening when he's had a few - I think grabby grips are big score hurter.... New lineup this year, we'll just have to see how we take it off the plane with this group on Q (and all the rest). ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMax 0 #16 April 25, 2006 Visualizing the whole team on the hill helps to learn how go get in a right place in a right time. Still have a spoon in my eye and it hurts a lot Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #17 April 25, 2006 QuoteVisualizing the whole team on the hill helps to learn how go get in a right place in a right time. Still have a spoon in my eye and it hurts a lot But I keep visualizing Fire instead of my team...... Seriously - I can coach that, but until it settles in for each individual, it stays sporadic - I have high hopes this year for all aspects of our flying, including exits. I like the launch slides that some teams use, they are very cool. I think any and all formations can be launched, even without cheater grips. Even from a narrow door. And we launched them all from a small King Air our first year (AAA) right up until a pro told us some couldn't be done..... - ignorance at the time was bliss.... Some you just don't want to because the gain isn't that much. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMax 0 #18 April 25, 2006 Quote But I keep visualizing Fire instead of my team...... Wait a minute, aren't you an outside center ? I bet you are visualizing the right piece but the wrong slot Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 0 #19 April 26, 2006 If you're OC, don't launch too far - you'll completely hose the tail. In my limited experience, if the tail stays low in the door, leaves at the right time, and presents, the rest works itself out. And yeah, grip switch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #20 April 26, 2006 QuoteVisualizing the whole team on the hill helps to learn how go get in a right place in a right time. Really? All I have to say is 4 out of 6. Even when a coach told you to stop doing that. Once you guys work through that little bit...You will smoke a good number of teams. No one at Waller would have been able to keep up."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMax 0 #21 April 26, 2006 Lol Perhaps I did not make it clear - I was referring to specific 'tail getting low' issue When I had to deal with systematic problem of not being low enough, visualizing the team on the hill (looking up and seeing everybody higher than you)helped a lot. Common, didn't you compliment my "long exits just a few weeks ago? P.S. 4/6 was a good lesson, no doubt about that Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TalbertGK4 0 #22 April 26, 2006 As much as that round five is a burner I would have a hard time seeing a 40 in there. More than anything the finish 17 to the Q. Neither a classic Q nor a Mickey mouse Q really help. building a classic the tail has to deal w/ the outside centers legs into the Q and then into the O where building the Mickey Mouse the out facing guy on the finish 17 has a 180 to the Q the a tight build w/ thier piece partner in the O. As odd as it may sound, having 5 and 17 in the same jump would promote a 40 way more than this draw. You have my two cents, now I am broke. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4wayFly 0 #23 May 1, 2006 QuoteI screwed up the exit. We just switched tail and point last camp...Last I remember tails job was to blast down on exit...Seems I did that great, but the getting back up kinda sucked Ever tried the curly Q exit? Basically like a 20. You can have it as a throw-away if your regular Qs are sucking. It's pretty much bomb-proof but you all have to be clear in separating dropping cheat grips before the key. Everyone has to flash extra-big and in particular point must do a major flash. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #24 May 1, 2006 QuoteEver tried the curly Q exit? Basically like a 20. You can have it as a throw-away if your regular Qs are sucking. No, I just screwed up the exit. We switched point (old me) with tail (new me) the week before and I just screwed it up. I dropped down and when the key came I was surprized and low on the hill. So I had to fight to get back to the Sidebody on the "O". If I was current as a tail I *might* not have screwed it up. We have not even walked all the exits with the position swap yet. Thats for the next camp."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
