Rolling the tail on a Sabre

[rickfri59 0]

I've only been packing my rig for my last 10 jumps. Like most other nubies it's a scream getting the nylon into the D-bag. I've picked up one tip that saves me time (s folding the top half of the canopy and putting it in the bag first). But I was wondering how much the tail can be rolled. Seems as though the tighter (more rolls) the tail, the better the cocoon would stay together while s-folding and stuffing in the bag. What do the vereran packers or riggers have to say?

[weid14 0]

if you roll to much, you can pull lines from the back around the front and create yourself a potential line over....

[Kirils 1]

Rolling the tail excessivly to get it in the bag is a bad thing. You are just asking for a line over mal. Have you checked out a Psycho -pack? It's safest and fastest way to tame a ZP canopy.

"Slow down! You are too young
to be moving that fast!"

Old Man Crawfish

[rickfri59 0]

How much is too much? The owners manual doesn't specify.

[Kris 0]

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How much is too much? The owners manual doesn't specify.

Easy. When you can feel yourself rolling up fabric that isn't a part of the tail then you've gone too far.

Actually... 6 or 7 good, tight pencil-rolls should do the trick.

Kris

Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and
Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™

[fergs 0]

Rick,

before you learn too many bad habits - start psycho packing. You'll never look back.

fergs

[Poczynek 0]

Hi Rick,
here is my 2 cents worth, I make no recommedations but offer this to make your own conclusions: when I first started jumping (military free fall) we flat packed. During initial training the instructors would check your pack at each stage. It was a great opportunity to understand how the canopy was put together, the A,B,C& D lines, importance of clearing the stabilizers, a clear line channel, and all the other little details that I found over whelming at the time, but know truly appreciate. After my military days I continued jumping, still flat packing, then into the pro-pack, and now I do a slightly modified combination of pro / phsycho using steps that have become my standard operating procedure (SOP) based on results and what I feel comfortable with. I continue to review what I do to see if there is a faster / better way - I don't mean to imply that faster is better, but only trying to find steps that gives me a good / reliable opening pack job in the least amount of time. Throughout the process I always think about the early lessons that I learned back in the flat pack days and knowledge of the canopy. I keep my critical checks in place and roll the canopy - with very good results. Know thy canopy - standardize your packing steps - doing it the same way every time, and adjust based on results.
Cheers - David

phat, dumb & happy

[motion 0]

Psycho packing? Where can I get more info on this? I'm a new packer as well... Sabre 190 P3. Anything would help.

[riggerrob 558]

Here is the link for psycho-packing.

http://precision.aerodynamics.com/psycho/psycho_pack.htm

Pscho-packing starts out the same as PRO-packing, but changes when you lay it on the floor.
I have psycho-packed dozens of different canopies and they all opened well. Precision does caution that psycho-packing may not work work well on canopies designed for extremely slow openings (i.e. Icarus Extremely Extreme VX).
A bridle extension is nice, but not mandatory for psycho-packing.
The roll that is the last step of psycho-packing can be adapted to any other method. rolling definitely makes it easier to control the canopy while you stuff it into the d-bag.

[Keith 0]

In addition to creating a line over, you risk burning the bajeezus out of the tail. I put about 20 nice size burn holes in my first canopy by rolling the tail too tightly so I could get it in the bag easier. Now I roll the tail 3 times max.

Keith

Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville