fenix.freefly 0 #1 October 7, 2009 Is it spectre good canopy to learn swooping or not? Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #2 October 7, 2009 Sure it is. Good luck and get a local canopy mentor.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GaryRay 0 #3 October 8, 2009 while it is possible to swoop on a spectre, i do believe it was required to be proven by a top canopy pilot....if you really want to get into swooping you may want to look at a sabre 2 as a first canopy. edit to add: IMO and FWIW. and that there are many more oppinions that may or may not be more valuable than mine.JewBag. www.jewbag.wordpress.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #4 October 8, 2009 here's a picture me swooping my spectre. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frost 1 #5 October 8, 2009 this one is pretty good too http://www.laszloimage.com/Best_Of_2005_NEW/pages/Dec_16th_2005_Tony.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #7 October 8, 2009 Quote here's a picture me swooping my spectre. Actually, it just shows you crashing into the pond. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sangi 0 #8 October 8, 2009 "Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CazmoDee 3 #9 October 8, 2009 I was about to say, "Tony Hathaway can swoop the shit out of a Spectre....". Then I saw your pic. There you go.... I'm behind the bar at Sloppy Joe's....See ya in the Keys! Muff 4313 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildcard451 0 #10 October 8, 2009 I recall a great video out there of Scott Miller taking a Navigator 220 through a swoop course. /Just stay away from learning on a Spinetto. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fenix.freefly 0 #11 October 8, 2009 maybe stupid question, why not stiletto? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dougiefresh 0 #12 October 8, 2009 Quotemaybe stupid question, why not stiletto? They have a really short recovery arc, so you have to initiate your turn dangerously low. This gives you less time to adjust or bail. Not that swooping isn't dangerous in and of itself, but with proper canopy choice you can improve your odds.Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. --Douglas Adams Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
danielcroft 2 #13 October 8, 2009 Don't larger (150+) Pilots have a really short recovery arc too? What about the Pulse? I fly a Sabre 2 150, just curious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fenix.freefly 0 #14 October 9, 2009 thank you all Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohanW 0 #15 October 9, 2009 Quote Don't larger (150+) Pilots have a really short recovery arc too? What about the Pulse? And smaller ones too. The Pulse was probably designed to have a short recovery arc as well, but I've never flown one and I don't remember what the world and its dog have already posted about the Pulse right on this forum. (Why don't you do a search? Johan. I am. I think. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildcard451 0 #16 October 9, 2009 QuoteQuotemaybe stupid question, why not stiletto? They have a really short recovery arc, so you have to initiate your turn dangerously low. This gives you less time to adjust or bail. Not that swooping isn't dangerous in and of itself, but with proper canopy choice you can improve your odds. Which in and of itself is not a bad thing, if you are only gonna fly a stilletto. I know people that can swoop the shit out of them. However, when you transition to a katana or velo/xaos/xbrace whatever, and you try that same style turn, you're gonna find yourself one with mother earth after about 90 degress of rotation. And that would suck. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
danielcroft 2 #17 October 9, 2009 Quote And smaller ones too. The Pulse was probably designed to have a short recovery arc as well, but I've never flown one and I don't remember what the world and its dog have already posted about the Pulse right on this forum. (Why don't you do a search? I've read those threads already actually, they're in the gear & rigging forums (for the most part IIRC) but not so much in the canopy forum. I thought it might be useful to mention/confirm other currently available canopies which exhibited the same (or similar) characteristics as the Stiletto & therefore maybe not the best for swooping. I have a friend who's 270ed at Spectre 170, I saw him land it & watched the video, good stuff. You really can swoop anything if you know what you're doing (well, I don't know what I'm doing but it certainly seems that way). I didn't realize the smaller Pilots also had the same issue. I've only flown a 150 Pilot once & while that certainly wasn't enough to get a feel for the canopy, I did notice that the recovery arc was kind of short. I haven't flown the Pulse yet but I was thinking about trying it out in ZHills this year. I love trying different canopies, I'm a bit of a canopy slut... Thanks for the reply though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fenix.freefly 0 #18 October 10, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuotemaybe stupid question, why not stiletto? They have a really short recovery arc, so you have to initiate your turn dangerously low. This gives you less time to adjust or bail. Not that swooping isn't dangerous in and of itself, but with proper canopy choice you can improve your odds. Which in and of itself is not a bad thing, if you are only gonna fly a stilletto. I know people that can swoop the shit out of them. However, when you transition to a katana or velo/xaos/xbrace whatever, and you try that same style turn, you're gonna find yourself one with mother earth after about 90 degress of rotation. And that would suck. Is there really so big difference between stiletto and sabre2 in recovery arc? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #19 October 10, 2009 QuoteIs there really so big difference between stiletto and sabre2 in recovery arc? Yes. Enough that the transition to a Katana from a Stiletto is much harder then from a Sabre2.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Freefly710 0 #20 October 26, 2009 I've seen Tony Hathaway make a Spectre look like a Katana... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites