KerMor 0 #1 September 24, 2003 Does anyone has some tricks to avoid getting your finger squashed by the front riser loop (when doing front riser hook turns) ? How do you hold your loop ? full hand in ? few fingers and a lot of weight lifting at home ? I am jumping a fairly big canopy (electra 190 = 1.2wl) and I really want to get a bit more swoop out of it ... I don't want to downsize for many other reasons. You can't determine the length of your life - but you can control its height and depth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parachutist 1 #2 September 25, 2003 Quote Does anyone has some tricks to avoid getting your finger squashed by the front riser loop (when doing front riser hook turns) ? Some canopies require lots more force to pull down the front risers than other canopies do. With some of these canopies I really don't think it's possible to have a comfortable pull with a typical dive loop. There are some custom mods you could do to the dive loop to make it more comfortable, but that adds bulk & can be a good bit of trial & error. Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #3 September 25, 2003 I think I use my first two fingers. Never had any problems on any of the canopies I've owned or jumped; only the FX104 and Lightning 143 (without using the 2:1s) seemed excessive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 0 #4 September 25, 2003 I'll be at the Byron Boogie from Friday through Sunday. I'll look at your dive loops and I can show you how I do it. It works for me so it's worth a try.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KerMor 0 #5 September 25, 2003 QuoteI'll be at the Byron Boogie from Friday through Sunday. I'll look at your dive loops and I can show you how I do it. It works for me so it's worth a try. Thanks Tim, I'll show you that on Friday You can't determine the length of your life - but you can control its height and depth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazyfrog 0 #6 September 25, 2003 I have dive blocks instead of dive loops... better not to use the loops but grab your riser at the connector you take it higher = more movement and at least on my rig takes less strength---------- Fumer tue, péter pue ------------- ourson #10, Mosquito Uno, CBT 579 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #7 September 25, 2003 If you're grabbing the whole riser with your hand (dive blocks) then aren't you opening yourself up to a higher chance of dropping a toggle VS Dive loops where you put 2 fingers through the loop? Just trying to make sure I understand what your saying correctly. Blue skies IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazyfrog 0 #8 September 25, 2003 well... not much more I think... actually I have my toggles in the middle of the hand, not in the fingers... you need much more strength with just 2 fingers... moreover with many canopies, the brakes are set quite short and any input on the risers will have a negative influence on the flight characteristics due to the brakes...---------- Fumer tue, péter pue ------------- ourson #10, Mosquito Uno, CBT 579 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #9 September 25, 2003 Full hands in the risers greatly increases your chances of dropping a toggle. If your low in the corner and you suddenly drop your risers there is a greater chance of losing one or both toggles at the same time. I used to practice up top with situations like that and found I'd drop a toggle every dozen jump or so. Once I started putting my hand in the toggle and only using one or two fingers on the risers I've never had an issue with a dropped toggle again at altitude. If you're pulling on your risers have your brakes set to the proper length. If you can't take the time or effort to properly adjust your brakes, don't swoop. If you can't pull down on the risers hit the Gym My Jedei has super high riser pressure and I'm not exactly that strong but I can hold it down for quite a ways with just 2 fingers.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #10 September 25, 2003 Two fingers in the front loop. This way entire hand can still be attached (gripping) the toggle, making it tougher to drop. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
twnsnd 1 #11 September 25, 2003 You're not kidding about the 104. I have lost circulation in my fingers before when I didn't get in brakes before my turn. It really makes me feel like the canopy is hauling ass though....sweet! -We are the Swoophaters. We have travelled back in time to hate on your swoops.- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #12 September 25, 2003 Quoteyou need much more strength with just 2 fingers Besides your Index and Middle finger, the other fingers aren't that strong. A person should have the basic strength to do front riser turns with just those two fingers. If a person doesn't have the strength, then I can tell them some excersizes to strengthen their forearms (no, not *that* "excersize") Also, if you find that the high riser pressure is causing abrasions on your fingers from the dive loop, you can do what I do...wear gloves. The thing is, though, you need to make damn sure that you have dexterity with them (I use Mechanix gloves) and that they can't get caught in your dive loops!--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #13 September 25, 2003 Quote is causing abrasions on your fingers from the dive loop, Yeah man - my fingers are bruised after a weekend of jumping since I've been doing 270's. They're getting tougher though I hate gloves, but winter is coming.....ahhh crap. Blue skies IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #14 September 25, 2003 You all just need to rockclimb more -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #15 September 25, 2003 nah - I'd rather toughen them with excessive jumping!!!! Blue skies IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #16 September 25, 2003 Hey - I hear yah and feel yah! Blue ones! -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
twnsnd 1 #17 September 25, 2003 Hell no! Rock climbing is dangerous! -We are the Swoophaters. We have travelled back in time to hate on your swoops.- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #18 September 25, 2003 Hey man - I have a Cypress - I'm OKAY -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites