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bruce- would be great to hook up with ya at the party..
I know what ya mean about the local flavor and the parking...if ya wanna really get some good people watching in , go to the fish hatchery down stream on the lewis river this time of year.....It could be a reality tv show......
hopefully the weather will cooperate that weekend and I can get in a jump at either toledo or portland.
see ya at the party
I know what ya mean about the local flavor and the parking...if ya wanna really get some good people watching in , go to the fish hatchery down stream on the lewis river this time of year.....It could be a reality tv show......
hopefully the weather will cooperate that weekend and I can get in a jump at either toledo or portland.
see ya at the party
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Be sure to look for Ckret (FBI Special Agent Larry Carr) at the Cooper fest. He may be heavily disguised. Look for a square jawed guy who isn't drinking or trying to pick up local women. That should narrow it down to 1 or 2 candidates.
Remember when Carr said bank robbers were dumb? Well, this guy lowered the bar even further: a local parolee, wearing a fully funtioning GPS position reporting device locked to his body, robbed a bank!!!
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-10370950-71.html
Snowmman Industries is building a spoofer that will give such people GPS alibis. They will be priced for organized crime figures, not street thugs.
Users can hang with the boys in Vegas, travel abroad freely secure in the knowledge that their parole GPS trackers will report local residence and frequent trips to visit their mom in the nursing home.
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Remember when Carr said bank robbers were dumb? Well, this guy lowered the bar even further: a local parolee, wearing a fully funtioning GPS position reporting device locked to his body, robbed a bank!!!
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-10370950-71.html
Snowmman Industries is building a spoofer that will give such people GPS alibis. They will be priced for organized crime figures, not street thugs.
Users can hang with the boys in Vegas, travel abroad freely secure in the knowledge that their parole GPS trackers will report local residence and frequent trips to visit their mom in the nursing home.
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
snowmman 3
Brings back memories.
One of Snowmman Industries' first contracts was installing the bugs at the Ariel Store and Tavern. I remember crawling under the floor thru all sorts of crap, thinking to myself how much money I was losing on the job, and how the next customer would pay.
The thinking was that Cooper wouldn't show up at the party, but he would show up at some other times.
I think it's only in the last couple years they slap the GPS trackers on all the cars in the parking lot during the party.. I forget now. Maybe that was at the last D.B. Cooper book signing in Portland. No wait, that's when we bugged the FBI guys' cars.
It's easy to lose track with so many customers. Go Global On Day One. That plan was the key to our success.
Hey check out this picture and look at all the individuals. It's always interesting to muse about people who build big bombs.
This photo cracks me up, because it's like a photo of guys (and women) out at Little League or something...just all grown up...with a 30,000lb bomb of course. No beauty salon products here!
in a group like this, everyone acts normal, but there's always a couple of smart guys that are slightly whacked. Especially the grey-haired ones.
One of Snowmman Industries' first contracts was installing the bugs at the Ariel Store and Tavern. I remember crawling under the floor thru all sorts of crap, thinking to myself how much money I was losing on the job, and how the next customer would pay.
The thinking was that Cooper wouldn't show up at the party, but he would show up at some other times.
I think it's only in the last couple years they slap the GPS trackers on all the cars in the parking lot during the party.. I forget now. Maybe that was at the last D.B. Cooper book signing in Portland. No wait, that's when we bugged the FBI guys' cars.
It's easy to lose track with so many customers. Go Global On Day One. That plan was the key to our success.
Hey check out this picture and look at all the individuals. It's always interesting to muse about people who build big bombs.
This photo cracks me up, because it's like a photo of guys (and women) out at Little League or something...just all grown up...with a 30,000lb bomb of course. No beauty salon products here!
in a group like this, everyone acts normal, but there's always a couple of smart guys that are slightly whacked. Especially the grey-haired ones.
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QuoteThis photo cracks me up, because it's like a photo of guys (and women) out at Little League or something...just all grown up...with a 30,000lb bomb of course. No beauty salon products here!
PC culture really shows in that photo. Back in the day
that bomb would be covered with inscriptions from those who worked on it wishing ill upon the citizens of the target country. The Boeing employees were obviously well trained in cultural sensitivity, either that or they just put fresh paint on it for the news photos.
http://warrelics.eu/forum/military_photos/ussr-history-research/31408d1237972491t-photos-soviet-military-industry-being-work-600_1741999029_big.jpg
If the pen is truly mightier than the sword we should reconsider the leaflet bomb:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.psywarrior.com/MonroeBomb.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.psywarrior.com/dissemination.html&usg=__E6N843gNgwL9Nut2V3lMd9r39TE=&h=304&w=400&sz=31&hl=en&start=14&um=1&tbnid=JRvmUQmpBajOSM:&tbnh=94&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3DWW2%2Bbomb%2Bwith%2Binscriptions%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4GPEA_enUS294US294%26um%3D1
Sure seems small for 30,000 lbs. Must have some high density parts. Any depleted unranium in it?
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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Live NASA TV at:
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html
of the LCROSS lunar impact w. live NASA TV coverage
beginning at 6:15am edt.
This is a project to search for lunar water at the south pole...
Target site jpegs attached .
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html
of the LCROSS lunar impact w. live NASA TV coverage
beginning at 6:15am edt.
This is a project to search for lunar water at the south pole...
Target site jpegs attached .
snowmman 3
I have notified FBI SA Garrett Gumbinner, and FBI SA Micheal Copeland, that I have information about people lying with relation to a terrorism investigation. (Cooper)
I expect arrests will be made shortly.
The indictment for Zazi's father is attached. Upon reading it, I suddenly realized the extent of crime being done on this thread.
On or about September 16, 2009, in the State and District of Colorado, in a matter within the jurisdiction of the executive branch of the Government of the United States, and in an offense involving international and domestic terrorism,
MOHAMMED WALI ZAZI,
did knowingly and willfully make a materially false, fictitious, and fraudulent statement and representation to agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”), that is, defendant ZAZI denied that he spoke with anyone by telephone regarding whether Najibullah Zazi was in any trouble, when, in fact, on or about September 11, 2009, defendant ZAZI did speak by telephone with a person regarding whether Najibullah Zazi was in any trouble.
The foregoing count was in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1001(a)(2).
OFFENSE: Count One: Title 18, United States Code, Section 1001(a)(2) - Making a False Statement in a Matter Involving International and Domestic Terrorism
PENALTY: Count One: NMT 8 years imprisonment, $250,000 fine, or both;
I expect arrests will be made shortly.
The indictment for Zazi's father is attached. Upon reading it, I suddenly realized the extent of crime being done on this thread.
On or about September 16, 2009, in the State and District of Colorado, in a matter within the jurisdiction of the executive branch of the Government of the United States, and in an offense involving international and domestic terrorism,
MOHAMMED WALI ZAZI,
did knowingly and willfully make a materially false, fictitious, and fraudulent statement and representation to agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”), that is, defendant ZAZI denied that he spoke with anyone by telephone regarding whether Najibullah Zazi was in any trouble, when, in fact, on or about September 11, 2009, defendant ZAZI did speak by telephone with a person regarding whether Najibullah Zazi was in any trouble.
The foregoing count was in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1001(a)(2).
OFFENSE: Count One: Title 18, United States Code, Section 1001(a)(2) - Making a False Statement in a Matter Involving International and Domestic Terrorism
PENALTY: Count One: NMT 8 years imprisonment, $250,000 fine, or both;
snowmman 3
http://trac.syr.edu/tracfbi/index.html
example data , exploring the conflicting definitions of "terrorist"
"Who is a Terrorist" http://trac.syr.edu/tracreports/terrorism/215/
Federal Prosecutor Terrorism Definition*
All Criminal Terrorism Referrals for Prosecution
Completed Fiscal Years 2004 - 2008
Referrals for Prosecution - 8,896
Declined - 5,995
Prosecution Filed - 2,901
Prosecution Filed - 2,901
Dismissed - 559
Not Guilty - 40
Convicted - 2,302
Convicted - 2,302
No Prison - 1,055
Prison (one day or more) - 1,247
Prison - 1,247
less than 1 year - 342
1 yr up to 5 years - 660
5 years up to 20 years - 193
20 years or more (excluding life) - 43
life - 9
Median sentence of those convicted - 3 months
Average sentence of those convicted - 26 months
I believe anyone reading this thread is a terrorist. For instance, most readers of this thread have the attached U.S. Govt.-owned recipe for thermobaric explosives on their computers.
This is minimally an IP theft, although the U.S. Govt is probably willing to negotiate a deal sharing profits gained through the use of the IP.
Snowmman Industries neither investigates nor has knowledge of any enfringement by its employees, and makes no representations to customers.
(edit) "
(from the url above)
Conclusion
It has been argued that the absence of a major terrorist attack on the United States since September of 2001 indicates that the enforcement policies put in place by the Bush Administration were effective. But the picture that emerges from TRAC's examination of extensive government records — agencies continuing to waste their time on investigations that go nowhere, prosecutions that ultimately result in minimal sentences — strongly suggests that this may not be the case. Whatever the ultimate judgment on the broader question, there can be little doubt that the unfocused, wandering and erratic federal effort, revealed by TRAC's careful review of hundreds of thousands of records, could be significantly improved. A key first step to significant change: the development of a clear and understandable definition of terrorism. "
example data , exploring the conflicting definitions of "terrorist"
"Who is a Terrorist" http://trac.syr.edu/tracreports/terrorism/215/
Federal Prosecutor Terrorism Definition*
All Criminal Terrorism Referrals for Prosecution
Completed Fiscal Years 2004 - 2008
Referrals for Prosecution - 8,896
Declined - 5,995
Prosecution Filed - 2,901
Prosecution Filed - 2,901
Dismissed - 559
Not Guilty - 40
Convicted - 2,302
Convicted - 2,302
No Prison - 1,055
Prison (one day or more) - 1,247
Prison - 1,247
less than 1 year - 342
1 yr up to 5 years - 660
5 years up to 20 years - 193
20 years or more (excluding life) - 43
life - 9
Median sentence of those convicted - 3 months
Average sentence of those convicted - 26 months
I believe anyone reading this thread is a terrorist. For instance, most readers of this thread have the attached U.S. Govt.-owned recipe for thermobaric explosives on their computers.
This is minimally an IP theft, although the U.S. Govt is probably willing to negotiate a deal sharing profits gained through the use of the IP.
Snowmman Industries neither investigates nor has knowledge of any enfringement by its employees, and makes no representations to customers.
(edit) "
(from the url above)
Conclusion
It has been argued that the absence of a major terrorist attack on the United States since September of 2001 indicates that the enforcement policies put in place by the Bush Administration were effective. But the picture that emerges from TRAC's examination of extensive government records — agencies continuing to waste their time on investigations that go nowhere, prosecutions that ultimately result in minimal sentences — strongly suggests that this may not be the case. Whatever the ultimate judgment on the broader question, there can be little doubt that the unfocused, wandering and erratic federal effort, revealed by TRAC's careful review of hundreds of thousands of records, could be significantly improved. A key first step to significant change: the development of a clear and understandable definition of terrorism. "
Greetings, cloudsurfin,
I'll be at Ariel, too, so see you there. I'm a fat, grumpy newspaper reporter(but I’m working on both issues!) getting local color stories for my book on Cooper, which by the way, gang, I am now titling “The Hunt for DB Cooper" and making it a comprehensive take on all the shenanigans that have occurred in the investigation of this case. Look for some guy ranting in a New York accent, and that’s probably me. Please say “Hello.” If you don’t see anyone that looks familiar, just stand in the middle of the dance floor and shout at the top of your lungs: “Cousin Brucie!” I’ll be right there to rescue you.
Cloud, if I may, be ready for a varied experience at Ariel. Watching the movie "Deliverance" is good preparation for hanging with the locals at the Ariel Tavern. Personally, some of the characters there really freaked me out last year, which was my first visit.
Last year there were quite a few media folks, too. Geoff Gray, renown of the Citizen Sleuth Group, was there, as was the National Geo film crew shooting for their documentary that was aired last July. They were there to get the local scene, but also to film Ron and Pat Forman, who had just written their book about Barb Dayton. I don't know if the Formans will return. Rena Ruddell, Barb’s daughter, was there and fun to talk with. She is convinced her father (mother?) was DB.
A radio crew was there from KUOW, the Seattle NPR station, and even though they said they were doing a fluff piece, it carried nationally on All Things Considered the following Monday.
Beers, in a can, are three bucks, and the specialty of the house is their "stew" - a thin concoction of veggies and broth with bits of hamburger - pretty down-home stuff. A slice of Wonderbread rounds out the menu and the above entrée is also three bucks.
The band was good last year, and a lot of cowboy types and red necks were dancing. This year, I think I'll give that a try, too!
Several guys come dressed as Danny, and one wore his chute the whole time I was there. I was impressed that parachutes are so small.
The Ariel Tavern is not on the main highway but on the side road to the Merwin Dam. You’ll see little signs pointing the way from the highway, but it’ll be raining, foggy and cold, so if you’re arriving in the evening keep a sharp eye about ten miles up the road from Woodland and I-5. Parking is virtually non-existent at Ariel Tavern, so when you come and don't see a spot, go past it and park at the campground at the bottom of the hill at the base of Merwin Dam. Think of all the history you’re about to witness as you puff back uphill to the bar, and smile knowing it will be much easier on the way back to your vehicle.
The rumor is widespread that the FBI always sends somebody to Cooper Days, but I didn't meet anyone who claimed to be from da Bureau.
Good travels!
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