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voodew1 0
Voodew
The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid
D22369 0
---> true, but that does little to keep them from doing whatever they wish with unrated instructors...
and that isnt a very good deterrent.
Roy
riggerrob 613
Doesn't USPA have some sort of copy write on "AFF?"
Ron 10
QuoteWhat does renewing your driver's license have to do with safety? Get caught driving without one........
The thing is whats gonna happen here? Nothing!
USPA will not do anything, and the FAA does not care. (You don't have to be a member of the USPA, or follow BSR's in the US).
And I know plenty of jumpers that went through the AFF course and didn't really have a clue...They just checked the right blocks.
Does that really make them safer?
I know a guy that had a rating from another country, but not the USPA....Is he unsafe?
While I don't think its a good idea....We already know it happens. USPA knows and once again does nothing about it.
The FAA does not care about it.
So if you are unhappy vote with your feet.
But they are not doing ANYTHING ILLEGAL.
They are just not following the rules of a volluntary orginization. That has show that it has no balls...Whoop de fucking do!
I don't follow the rules of the NRA....I'm not a member.
If you don't like it, don't go there...But there is nothing wrong with it.
Ron
Phlip 0
They basically do whaterver they want AS LONG AS they don't call their program "AFF", their DZ "USPA DZ" and their instructors "AFF Jumpmasters".
Right?
Flip
QuoteIf I understand correctly:
They basically do whaterver they want AS LONG AS they don't call their program "AFF", their DZ "USPA DZ" and their instructors "AFF Jumpmasters".
Right?
Flip
There are very few laws that apply to skydivers. You might want to read part 105.
never pull low......unless you are
sducoach 0
Make sure and let everyone know "who" gave you that response. It was a RD and not a USPA employee was it not?
Give the USPA some teeth boys and girls or do not complain with the "enforcement" you receive.
Blues,
J.E.
TXJumper 0
QuoteThis particular DZ does call their program AFF, and their jump master AFF JM's. It's on all their brochures and advertising. They also don't bother to let their students and customers know that they are unrated. That was one of my biggest concerns. After some checking, all of their tandem instructors are rated and are current.
I think that it is very rare that dz's use unrated tandem instructors. It may even be illegal. A shortage of AFF jumpmasters causes some dz's to improvise. They shouldn't call their program AFF if they are using instructors that aren't rated.
never pull low......unless you are
voodew1 0
Voodew and not afraid to say it
The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid
TXJumper 0
wmw999 2,334
Sometimes gripes make it onto dz.com.
Wendy W.
Hooknswoop 19
QuoteIt may even be illegal.
FAR 105
"(iv) Has successfully completed a tandem instructor course given by the manufacturer of the tandem parachute system used in the parachute operation or a course acceptable to the Administrator. "
The FAA has deemed the USPA Tandem Instructor course "acceptable to the Administrator.". If the Tandem Instructor has a current rating from the manufacturer OR the USPA and a current medical, they are legal. Notice the FAR doesn't say anything about currency requirements or renewal, or membership requirements. If the 'Parachutist in Command" does not have a rating, then it is a violation of the FAR's.
There is no FAA requirement for any certification for AFF Instructors. Nor is there any FAA requirement for student AAD's, RSL's, square reserves, minimum training, etc. I do think that if a student believes that they are paying for 2 rated Instructors, or 1 rated Instructor, they should get 2 rated or 1 rated Instructor.
If you look at what is legal for student training, it should scare you. USPA has much tighter requirements, but has no authority to enforce those requirements and they don't attempt to when there are BSR violations.
Derek
Samantha Shows
Ron 10
QuoteIf this person has a genuine
concern they need to talk to the DZO or the S&TA about this.
Why? Its not illegal.
If the USPA does not care that a USPA DZ (I am not sure it is) is not using non USPA rated I's...Then why should anyone else care.
And if its not a USPA DZ...Then the USPA has no power there at all (I would say the USPA has no power anyway, anywhere and I only am a member becasue I have to to jump at some DZ's...I personally think they are worthless).
Phlip 0
QuoteI would say the USPA has no power anyway, anywhere and I only am a member becasue I have to to jump at some DZ's...I personally think they are worthless.
Having the power or not over DZs is one thing, but you cannot say they are worthless. They set a standard of training and safety and are a political representation for us.
Flip
Ron 10
QuoteHaving the power or not over DZs is one thing, but you cannot say they are worthless.
Really?!?!? Watch close....They are worthless.
See I can do it.
QuoteThey set a standard
of training and safety and are a political representation for us.
I'll grant the political part....As for setting the standard for training....
USPA didn't aprove of Tandems, AFF, BOC for students and a bunch of other stuff...
People did these things with out them, and THEN the USPA said...Hey thats a good idea. USPA fought several of these when they were started.
The ISP is NOT manditory.
The coach ticket started as a good idea, then got watered down like crazy.
They had the BIC which was the biggest joke around...Now its gone because it was so stupid.
NO USPA course or instruction is the same at ANY DZ...No standards anywhere.
I used to think that they were powerful....Then I looked around and delt with them a few times.....They will not do anything if it requires extra work for them...And they fight the good things.
They wanted to disallow the team Synchronicity from representing the US at the world meet....They had to let them because they did follow the rules..USPA would rather have not sent them, and gave them NO support.
USPA sucks...but what else are you going to do?
I recalled (Which is still on the USPA website),
The actual BSR states;
Thank you, Rick
K.
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