aneblett 0 #1 December 18, 2003 After reading the term "300 jump wonder" used in a thread yesterday one of the posters there asked the question: when does it end? I was curious what everyone thought on the subject. Interestingly enough, on the same day, I was referred to as a "<300 jump wonder" by a poster that can't seem to get enough personal attacks in (they have since spared the forum and they now send them to me privately) cheers, AgeS.E.X. party #2 ..It is far worse to live with fear, than to die confronting it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 3 #2 December 18, 2003 If you are doing something stupid (in someone's eyes), then it's entirely possible that you will never escape it. I have used the term "1000 jump wonder" to describe a particularly stupid young skydiver before. I can do that because I have nearly four times that experience. Silly? Maybe. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
panzwami 0 #3 December 18, 2003 I think the "jump wonder" term has more to do with attitude than with actual jump numbers. In many cases, people with X number of jumps become overly confident in their skydiving abilities, and begin to start doing things they maybe shouldn't be doing (downsizing, hooking, etc.) When instructors, who have far more experience and wisdom in the area, try to tell them otherwise, they are rebuffed as "just trying to spoil my fun." The jumper continues to do what they think they are capable of doing, and in many cases ending up hurt or dead. Matt ----- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #4 December 18, 2003 You forgot the option of "Anytime you do something or say something stupid you will be a XXXXX-jump wonder" You have one close to that , but it is a slam on the guy that calls you that. To some folks I'm a 3,000 jump wonder. And Matt hit it right on the money. QuoteI think the "jump wonder" term has more to do with attitude than with actual jump numbers. In many cases, people with X number of jumps become overly confident in their skydiving abilities, and begin to start doing things they maybe shouldn't be doing (downsizing, hooking, etc.) When instructors, who have far more experience and wisdom in the area, try to tell them otherwise, they are rebuffed as "just trying to spoil my fun." The jumper continues to do what they think they are capable of doing, and in many cases ending up hurt or dead. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 3 #5 December 18, 2003 Ron hit the nail on the head. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aneblett 0 #6 December 18, 2003 Quote"Anytime you do something or say something stupid you will be a XXXXX-jump wonder" Good point! I should have included that one! Although that being said I don't think that I would have the stones to call someone with more jumps than me a "Jump Wonder" and there are a few of them at my small DZ. AgeS.E.X. party #2 ..It is far worse to live with fear, than to die confronting it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aneblett 0 #7 December 18, 2003 QuoteIf you are doing something stupid (in someone's eyes), then it's entirely possible that you will never escape it The title doesn't really bother me as I don't believe I am one. I have coaches and instructors at my DZ that watch over me and DO tell me when I start to have crazy ideas. I wrote this post mainly cause I think the term gets tossed around lots on this site and all you have to do is post something that someone with more jump numbers than you doesn't agree with and you become a jump wonder! We should almost have a jump wonder Icon so we wouldn't have to type it AgeS.E.X. party #2 ..It is far worse to live with fear, than to die confronting it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 5 #8 December 18, 2003 It's not only jump numbers. It is also time in sport and how active you've been during that time. It's been said that less than 10 years in the sport and you are just a tourist. You know, there is some truth to that. I feel like I've given a major part of my life to this sport and then I'm reminded that I've only been in it for 8.5 years. During that time I only have 850 jumps. 100 jumps a year average is fairly steady though. So, I would judge the comment on the subject AND the jumpers personal background. I would also go on previous posts and posting style whether I give an creedence to the poster. I've seen some very sharp "200 jump wonders" and some scary as shit "1,500 jump wonders". And then again, I've seen the reverse as many times too. I think time in sport and what you've done with that time plays a major factor into "experience". It's said in flying airplanes. "Do you have 1,000 hours experience or do you have 1 hour of experience 1,000 times?" Think about it.Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #9 December 18, 2003 QuoteGood point! I should have included that one! Although that being said I don't think that I would have the stones to call someone with more jumps than me a "Jump Wonder" and there are a few of them at my small DZ. Well thats cause you would not call them a jump wonder...you would call them a skygod. However skygod is an insult, 300 jump wonder is a description But the simple fact is that a bunch of folks think they have more experience than they do. And when these people act that they are labled as a XXXX-jump wonder. I don't use it as an insult....I just use it cause its true. When I landed from my 100th jump. My best friend walked up to me and said "Congrats Ronnie. We still all think you are gonna die. But we now think you will bounce with atleast something out...Now it will not be the right thing, and you will not do it soon enough. But atleast you will hit with something out." I didn't take that as an insult.....I tell everyone that when they land from their 100th jump. Simple fact is look around...In 5 years half the people you see will not be there. They will quit or die. Ron"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #10 December 18, 2003 QuoteIt's been said that less than 10 years in the sport and you are just a tourist. I would not say 10 years...But if you have been jumping less than 3 I expect you to quit anyday. So your kind of a "visitor" 5 years I think you might stick around....You are really a jumper. But still a "tourist" 10 years..Its in your blood. 20....Good god man!!! 30....Holy shit!!!! What was Jesus's 10 second delay really like?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aneblett 0 #11 December 18, 2003 QuoteWe still all think you are gonna die. But we now think you will bounce with atleast something out...Now it will not be the right thing, and you will not do it soon enough. But atleast you will hit with something out." LMAO QuoteI don't use it as an insult....I just use it cause its true......They will quit or die. Brutally Honest, direct to the point... Ron, I think you are my kind of people! well met AgeS.E.X. party #2 ..It is far worse to live with fear, than to die confronting it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #12 December 18, 2003 Among motorcycle riders, there is an expression "No one ever has two motorcycle wrecks". The meaning is that either the first will kill you or you sell the bike. When people in skydiving do not respect the sport, the same thing happens. People who fly their canopy beyond their skill level and refuse to accept well-intentioned advice get the "xxx-jump wonder" name. That is because they believe that they have a wondrous amount of skill for their jump numbers. I'm not a great canopy pilot. I'll be the first to admit it, but I am a very careful one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #13 December 18, 2003 Quote300 jump wonderQuotewhen does it end? When you don't pull. Seriously, don't bother to listen to people with that attitude. However sometimes people recive that attitude from people, because they won't listen and learn at all.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #14 December 18, 2003 who cares. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #15 December 18, 2003 You've been listening to George Clinton again, haven't you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperconway 0 #16 December 18, 2003 QuoteI think the "jump wonder" term has more to do with attitude than with actual jump numbers. Exactly, it's all about attitude. When informative lips move, listen. When you think you have all the answers and refuse to listen, it makes us wonder when you'll die from it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freakydiver 0 #17 December 18, 2003 ROFL -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crutch 0 #18 December 18, 2003 Ron, you hit the nail on the head so to speak. But, with me it is when you quit walking into a reataurant, bar, etc. and think everyone who doesn't skydive should bow down and worship you because you do. It is when you quit skydiving for all the other people and how it makes you feel and start skydiving for yourself. You also become a much better skydiver and person soon after! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #19 December 18, 2003 QuoteIt is when you quit skydiving for all the other people and how it makes you feel and start skydiving for yourself. Nice. Ayn Rand called that being a "second-hander". Someone who draws their esteem from the opinions of others. Skydiving is too dangerous to do it just to look good. Skydiving should be a personal joy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jeremyneas 0 #20 December 18, 2003 In 2 jumps i'll be a 1400 jump wonder. Same situation happens when you have kids. After the first, they always say..."oh well wait till you have 2 kids" Then you have a second "oh you don't know anything till you have 3 kids" Then you have two sets of twins in 12 months and it's commin "oh 6 kids...shit wait till you have an albino monkey throwin poop in your trailer while raising 18 kids on a $250 a month paycheck" never ends...depends on who you hang with...you 300 jump...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freakydiver 0 #21 December 18, 2003 LMFAO - and congrats Jeremy on 1400... -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Liemberg 0 #22 December 18, 2003 QuoteTo some folks I'm a 3,000 jump wonder. Now I know why I should always listen to you Ron - I'm a mere 2600 jump wonder. Next question - should 2600-3000 jump wonders listen to beginners every once in a while? By doing that (couple of seasons ago) I cut one of the packing checks in half (i.e. we were checking 2 different things at a certain stage during the packing of a student canopy and an extremely smart student with a superior way of envisioning a 3D picture in his mind asked me "Why you do that all the time? If check nr 1 is OK check nr 2 must be OK also!") I chewed on it for about a week and decided the 20 jump wonder was right! (Ouch...) May not look like much but saves the one in charge of overseeing the students packing half an hour on a busy day. So - the only right answer is "Who cares" and if you ever catch me not listening to 1-3000 jump wonders I must have fallen asleep. Please DO wake me up. "Whoever in discussion adduces authority uses not intellect but memory." - Leonardo da Vinci A thousand words... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites aneblett 0 #23 December 18, 2003 I heared similar things when I started riding... my non riding/non jumping friends still think that I will die.. but there is no helping whuffos now is there? AdrianS.E.X. party #2 ..It is far worse to live with fear, than to die confronting it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites aneblett 0 #24 December 18, 2003 Groovy Boss! I hear that! AdrianS.E.X. party #2 ..It is far worse to live with fear, than to die confronting it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #25 December 18, 2003 Quotebut there is no helping whuffos now is there? Like explaining color to a blind man. They are living in that black-white world still. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
freakydiver 0 #17 December 18, 2003 ROFL -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crutch 0 #18 December 18, 2003 Ron, you hit the nail on the head so to speak. But, with me it is when you quit walking into a reataurant, bar, etc. and think everyone who doesn't skydive should bow down and worship you because you do. It is when you quit skydiving for all the other people and how it makes you feel and start skydiving for yourself. You also become a much better skydiver and person soon after! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #19 December 18, 2003 QuoteIt is when you quit skydiving for all the other people and how it makes you feel and start skydiving for yourself. Nice. Ayn Rand called that being a "second-hander". Someone who draws their esteem from the opinions of others. Skydiving is too dangerous to do it just to look good. Skydiving should be a personal joy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeremyneas 0 #20 December 18, 2003 In 2 jumps i'll be a 1400 jump wonder. Same situation happens when you have kids. After the first, they always say..."oh well wait till you have 2 kids" Then you have a second "oh you don't know anything till you have 3 kids" Then you have two sets of twins in 12 months and it's commin "oh 6 kids...shit wait till you have an albino monkey throwin poop in your trailer while raising 18 kids on a $250 a month paycheck" never ends...depends on who you hang with...you 300 jump...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #21 December 18, 2003 LMFAO - and congrats Jeremy on 1400... -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liemberg 0 #22 December 18, 2003 QuoteTo some folks I'm a 3,000 jump wonder. Now I know why I should always listen to you Ron - I'm a mere 2600 jump wonder. Next question - should 2600-3000 jump wonders listen to beginners every once in a while? By doing that (couple of seasons ago) I cut one of the packing checks in half (i.e. we were checking 2 different things at a certain stage during the packing of a student canopy and an extremely smart student with a superior way of envisioning a 3D picture in his mind asked me "Why you do that all the time? If check nr 1 is OK check nr 2 must be OK also!") I chewed on it for about a week and decided the 20 jump wonder was right! (Ouch...) May not look like much but saves the one in charge of overseeing the students packing half an hour on a busy day. So - the only right answer is "Who cares" and if you ever catch me not listening to 1-3000 jump wonders I must have fallen asleep. Please DO wake me up. "Whoever in discussion adduces authority uses not intellect but memory." - Leonardo da Vinci A thousand words... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aneblett 0 #23 December 18, 2003 I heared similar things when I started riding... my non riding/non jumping friends still think that I will die.. but there is no helping whuffos now is there? AdrianS.E.X. party #2 ..It is far worse to live with fear, than to die confronting it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aneblett 0 #24 December 18, 2003 Groovy Boss! I hear that! AdrianS.E.X. party #2 ..It is far worse to live with fear, than to die confronting it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #25 December 18, 2003 Quotebut there is no helping whuffos now is there? Like explaining color to a blind man. They are living in that black-white world still. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
