Richyb 0 #1 August 30, 2005 we tried this the other day and it worked! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ccowden 0 #2 August 30, 2005 Well congratulations! That is just plain stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MikeForsythe 0 #3 August 30, 2005 Congratulations on still being alive! And you wonder why we have an "Incidents" forum in parachutist? Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NSEMN8R 0 #4 August 30, 2005 QuoteWell congratulations! That is just plain stupid. Why? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Richyb 0 #5 August 30, 2005 it was fantastic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ccowden 0 #6 August 30, 2005 Are you serious??? The forces generated when a canopy opens are great. The harness we wear absorbs those forces quite well in most cases. Hanging onto someone while they deploy ANY canopy is a recipe for disaster. You can't even begin to prepare for what kind of forces you can encounter. Granted, when people use really big, slower opening canopies, you can get away with it, but even then if the opening is fast, you could be killed or seriously hurt. A Velocity is a tricky canopy even when loaded at 2.0. Loading one at 4.0 and having someone holding onto you while doing it is just not smart. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Spizzzarko 0 #7 August 30, 2005 If you need to ask "Why" then you really need to sit down and think about doing such things, and calculate the risks versus the rewards. I think most people of sound judgement would tell you that the risks outweight the rewards by far. You are not only endangering yourself under the canopy, but you are putting the other dude at risk when he or she is holding on to you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hookitt 0 #8 August 30, 2005 SOOoooo.... ya want to give it a shot?My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NSEMN8R 0 #9 August 30, 2005 I've never done a Mr. Bill. And I've never jumped a Velocity 90. That's why I asked why. My Blade 108 opens as soft as butter every time. I was just thinking about trying it sometime. Is that a bad canopy to try it with? If I'm way up high with a canopy that I know will open fine, where's the problem? I've never heard of an incident involving a Mr. Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites daniel_owen_uk 0 #10 August 30, 2005 Please don't feed the trolls __________________ BOOM Headshot Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ccowden 0 #11 August 30, 2005 Quote My Blade 108 opens as soft as butter every time. If I'm way up high with a canopy that I know will open fine, where's the problem? Ever loaded your Blade at 4.0? Until you have, you have no idea how it will open. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,435 #12 August 30, 2005 > If I'm way up high with a canopy that I know will open fine, where's the problem? Asymmetrically loaded 4:1 elliptical canopies don't generally open fine. And unless you have a second harness, "Mr. Bill" is not going to load your harness symmetrically. >I've never heard of an incident involving a Mr. Bill We tried one at Brown a while back. First attempt failed. Second attempt resulted in a broken femur and a destroyed main parachute. Landing a reserve on a no-wind day with a broken femur is unpleasant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NSEMN8R 0 #13 August 30, 2005 Quoteit was fantastic So how was the opening? How did you exit? Got any pics? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ashton 0 #14 August 30, 2005 its all down to how you exit and how you hold on!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites packerboy 3 #15 August 30, 2005 A couple friends of mine tried one on a smaller canopy "by smaller I mean 120'ish" and the passenger didn't hang on and got kicked in the face on his way down with enough force to knock him out, luckily he wasn't knocked out and all ended well. We have an instructor who has been the pilot of about 7-8 Mr. Bills in the last 2 years (it seems to have become the thing to do on your 100th at our DZ) and he uses a Manta and deploys himself. The first attempt was an IAD, but was decided after that it wasn't the best choice. Using a larger canopy would give you a longer time to get situated for a better launch (get yourself standing on the pilots shoulders) and also gives the video guy time to get in place to get a good shot. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NSEMN8R 0 #16 August 30, 2005 Quote> If I'm way up high with a canopy that I know will open fine, where's the problem? Asymmetrically loaded 4:1 elliptical canopies don't generally open fine. And unless you have a second harness, "Mr. Bill" is not going to load your harness symmetrically. >I've never heard of an incident involving a Mr. Bill We tried one at Brown a while back. First attempt failed. Second attempt resulted in a broken femur and a destroyed main parachute. Landing a reserve on a no-wind day with a broken femur is unpleasant. Wow. I'm glad I asked. Can you share any more details? How did the femur get broken? Was it Mr. Bill's femur or the other guy's? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,435 #17 August 30, 2005 >How did the femur get broken? First one was sort of a hard opening and he fell off, losing some skin and getting kicked in the process. On the second attempt, an IAD gone awry resulted in an even harder opening, and the leg that Sluggo had wrapped around Mr. Bill broke instantly. Bill fell away with some serious bruising and scraping but no serious injury. Somewhere I still have pictures of the 18 inch by 6 inch solid black hematoma on his leg. Sluggo landed with the broken femur under his reserve. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bigern13 0 #18 August 30, 2005 Forgive my ignorance but what is a mr bill EXACTLY. I mean I have gotten a pretty good idea reading this thread what it probably is but dont know for sure. Thanks "I love 'lamp'." -SKYMAMA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites linestretch 0 #19 August 30, 2005 QuoteWell congratulations! That is just plain stupid. ummmm, that's rough. I think that someone did it under that small of a canopy is kick ass. I did one several months ago and the pilot had a stiletto 120. It worked awesome....except for the line twists. Yeah, there are risks, but none of them are to you.....relaxmy pics & stuff! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,435 #20 August 30, 2005 >Forgive my ignorance but what is a mr bill EXACTLY. Sluggo and Mr. Bill hold on during exit. Sluggo deploys. Mr. Bill then falls away sometime later and opens his own parachute. There are a million variations on this but that's the basic idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MikeForsythe 0 #21 August 30, 2005 QuoteYeah, there are risks, but none of them are to you.....relax Your right, we should encourage low inexperienced skydivers to do high risk stunts! NOT! The good news is that there is a real possibility that they will get their name, information and equipment they used published for FREE in Parachutist under "Incidents"Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bigern13 0 #22 August 30, 2005 Again since I have only been around for a few weeks, I hope NOBODY takes this the wrong way but isnt this ABSOLUTELY EXTRELMELY (I cant spell for chit) dangerous? And what is the purpose/goal behind it? And last, is this a common practice? Again I am NOT critsizing anyone or second guessing or whatever.. Just trying educate myself through all of YOU who DO have experience. THANKS "I love 'lamp'." -SKYMAMA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites linestretch 0 #23 August 30, 2005 QuoteQuoteYeah, there are risks, but none of them are to you.....relax Your right, we should encourage low inexperienced skydivers to do high risk stunts! NOT! The good news is that there is a real possibility that they will get their name, information and equipment they used published for FREE in Parachutist under "Incidents" Yeah, you're right...I'm an idiot. I didn't realize I was encouraging lowtime jumpers. That being said.....NO ONE TRY THIS!!!!my pics & stuff! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Spizzzarko 0 #24 August 30, 2005 Your attitude is complacent and dangerous. You may have gotten away with it once, and you may get away with it again, but adding risk to something that is already dangerous enough is asking for an incident down the road. Incidents are usually described as having several causal factors, and they all lead up to the incident. Also what example are you setting for those who have less experience than you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MikeForsythe 0 #25 August 30, 2005 QuoteThat being said.....NO ONE TRY THIS!!!!Come on, you know that it should be "hold my beer, watch this!"Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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ccowden 0 #2 August 30, 2005 Well congratulations! That is just plain stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #3 August 30, 2005 Congratulations on still being alive! And you wonder why we have an "Incidents" forum in parachutist? Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NSEMN8R 0 #4 August 30, 2005 QuoteWell congratulations! That is just plain stupid. Why? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richyb 0 #5 August 30, 2005 it was fantastic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ccowden 0 #6 August 30, 2005 Are you serious??? The forces generated when a canopy opens are great. The harness we wear absorbs those forces quite well in most cases. Hanging onto someone while they deploy ANY canopy is a recipe for disaster. You can't even begin to prepare for what kind of forces you can encounter. Granted, when people use really big, slower opening canopies, you can get away with it, but even then if the opening is fast, you could be killed or seriously hurt. A Velocity is a tricky canopy even when loaded at 2.0. Loading one at 4.0 and having someone holding onto you while doing it is just not smart. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Spizzzarko 0 #7 August 30, 2005 If you need to ask "Why" then you really need to sit down and think about doing such things, and calculate the risks versus the rewards. I think most people of sound judgement would tell you that the risks outweight the rewards by far. You are not only endangering yourself under the canopy, but you are putting the other dude at risk when he or she is holding on to you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hookitt 0 #8 August 30, 2005 SOOoooo.... ya want to give it a shot?My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NSEMN8R 0 #9 August 30, 2005 I've never done a Mr. Bill. And I've never jumped a Velocity 90. That's why I asked why. My Blade 108 opens as soft as butter every time. I was just thinking about trying it sometime. Is that a bad canopy to try it with? If I'm way up high with a canopy that I know will open fine, where's the problem? I've never heard of an incident involving a Mr. Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites daniel_owen_uk 0 #10 August 30, 2005 Please don't feed the trolls __________________ BOOM Headshot Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ccowden 0 #11 August 30, 2005 Quote My Blade 108 opens as soft as butter every time. If I'm way up high with a canopy that I know will open fine, where's the problem? Ever loaded your Blade at 4.0? Until you have, you have no idea how it will open. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,435 #12 August 30, 2005 > If I'm way up high with a canopy that I know will open fine, where's the problem? Asymmetrically loaded 4:1 elliptical canopies don't generally open fine. And unless you have a second harness, "Mr. Bill" is not going to load your harness symmetrically. >I've never heard of an incident involving a Mr. Bill We tried one at Brown a while back. First attempt failed. Second attempt resulted in a broken femur and a destroyed main parachute. Landing a reserve on a no-wind day with a broken femur is unpleasant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NSEMN8R 0 #13 August 30, 2005 Quoteit was fantastic So how was the opening? How did you exit? Got any pics? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ashton 0 #14 August 30, 2005 its all down to how you exit and how you hold on!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites packerboy 3 #15 August 30, 2005 A couple friends of mine tried one on a smaller canopy "by smaller I mean 120'ish" and the passenger didn't hang on and got kicked in the face on his way down with enough force to knock him out, luckily he wasn't knocked out and all ended well. We have an instructor who has been the pilot of about 7-8 Mr. Bills in the last 2 years (it seems to have become the thing to do on your 100th at our DZ) and he uses a Manta and deploys himself. The first attempt was an IAD, but was decided after that it wasn't the best choice. Using a larger canopy would give you a longer time to get situated for a better launch (get yourself standing on the pilots shoulders) and also gives the video guy time to get in place to get a good shot. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NSEMN8R 0 #16 August 30, 2005 Quote> If I'm way up high with a canopy that I know will open fine, where's the problem? Asymmetrically loaded 4:1 elliptical canopies don't generally open fine. And unless you have a second harness, "Mr. Bill" is not going to load your harness symmetrically. >I've never heard of an incident involving a Mr. Bill We tried one at Brown a while back. First attempt failed. Second attempt resulted in a broken femur and a destroyed main parachute. Landing a reserve on a no-wind day with a broken femur is unpleasant. Wow. I'm glad I asked. Can you share any more details? How did the femur get broken? Was it Mr. Bill's femur or the other guy's? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,435 #17 August 30, 2005 >How did the femur get broken? First one was sort of a hard opening and he fell off, losing some skin and getting kicked in the process. On the second attempt, an IAD gone awry resulted in an even harder opening, and the leg that Sluggo had wrapped around Mr. Bill broke instantly. Bill fell away with some serious bruising and scraping but no serious injury. Somewhere I still have pictures of the 18 inch by 6 inch solid black hematoma on his leg. Sluggo landed with the broken femur under his reserve. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bigern13 0 #18 August 30, 2005 Forgive my ignorance but what is a mr bill EXACTLY. I mean I have gotten a pretty good idea reading this thread what it probably is but dont know for sure. Thanks "I love 'lamp'." -SKYMAMA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites linestretch 0 #19 August 30, 2005 QuoteWell congratulations! That is just plain stupid. ummmm, that's rough. I think that someone did it under that small of a canopy is kick ass. I did one several months ago and the pilot had a stiletto 120. It worked awesome....except for the line twists. Yeah, there are risks, but none of them are to you.....relaxmy pics & stuff! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,435 #20 August 30, 2005 >Forgive my ignorance but what is a mr bill EXACTLY. Sluggo and Mr. Bill hold on during exit. Sluggo deploys. Mr. Bill then falls away sometime later and opens his own parachute. There are a million variations on this but that's the basic idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MikeForsythe 0 #21 August 30, 2005 QuoteYeah, there are risks, but none of them are to you.....relax Your right, we should encourage low inexperienced skydivers to do high risk stunts! NOT! The good news is that there is a real possibility that they will get their name, information and equipment they used published for FREE in Parachutist under "Incidents"Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bigern13 0 #22 August 30, 2005 Again since I have only been around for a few weeks, I hope NOBODY takes this the wrong way but isnt this ABSOLUTELY EXTRELMELY (I cant spell for chit) dangerous? And what is the purpose/goal behind it? And last, is this a common practice? Again I am NOT critsizing anyone or second guessing or whatever.. Just trying educate myself through all of YOU who DO have experience. THANKS "I love 'lamp'." -SKYMAMA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites linestretch 0 #23 August 30, 2005 QuoteQuoteYeah, there are risks, but none of them are to you.....relax Your right, we should encourage low inexperienced skydivers to do high risk stunts! NOT! The good news is that there is a real possibility that they will get their name, information and equipment they used published for FREE in Parachutist under "Incidents" Yeah, you're right...I'm an idiot. I didn't realize I was encouraging lowtime jumpers. That being said.....NO ONE TRY THIS!!!!my pics & stuff! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Spizzzarko 0 #24 August 30, 2005 Your attitude is complacent and dangerous. You may have gotten away with it once, and you may get away with it again, but adding risk to something that is already dangerous enough is asking for an incident down the road. Incidents are usually described as having several causal factors, and they all lead up to the incident. Also what example are you setting for those who have less experience than you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MikeForsythe 0 #25 August 30, 2005 QuoteThat being said.....NO ONE TRY THIS!!!!Come on, you know that it should be "hold my beer, watch this!"Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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ccowden 0 #6 August 30, 2005 Are you serious??? The forces generated when a canopy opens are great. The harness we wear absorbs those forces quite well in most cases. Hanging onto someone while they deploy ANY canopy is a recipe for disaster. You can't even begin to prepare for what kind of forces you can encounter. Granted, when people use really big, slower opening canopies, you can get away with it, but even then if the opening is fast, you could be killed or seriously hurt. A Velocity is a tricky canopy even when loaded at 2.0. Loading one at 4.0 and having someone holding onto you while doing it is just not smart. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #7 August 30, 2005 If you need to ask "Why" then you really need to sit down and think about doing such things, and calculate the risks versus the rewards. I think most people of sound judgement would tell you that the risks outweight the rewards by far. You are not only endangering yourself under the canopy, but you are putting the other dude at risk when he or she is holding on to you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 0 #8 August 30, 2005 SOOoooo.... ya want to give it a shot?My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NSEMN8R 0 #9 August 30, 2005 I've never done a Mr. Bill. And I've never jumped a Velocity 90. That's why I asked why. My Blade 108 opens as soft as butter every time. I was just thinking about trying it sometime. Is that a bad canopy to try it with? If I'm way up high with a canopy that I know will open fine, where's the problem? I've never heard of an incident involving a Mr. Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daniel_owen_uk 0 #10 August 30, 2005 Please don't feed the trolls __________________ BOOM Headshot Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ccowden 0 #11 August 30, 2005 Quote My Blade 108 opens as soft as butter every time. If I'm way up high with a canopy that I know will open fine, where's the problem? Ever loaded your Blade at 4.0? Until you have, you have no idea how it will open. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,435 #12 August 30, 2005 > If I'm way up high with a canopy that I know will open fine, where's the problem? Asymmetrically loaded 4:1 elliptical canopies don't generally open fine. And unless you have a second harness, "Mr. Bill" is not going to load your harness symmetrically. >I've never heard of an incident involving a Mr. Bill We tried one at Brown a while back. First attempt failed. Second attempt resulted in a broken femur and a destroyed main parachute. Landing a reserve on a no-wind day with a broken femur is unpleasant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NSEMN8R 0 #13 August 30, 2005 Quoteit was fantastic So how was the opening? How did you exit? Got any pics? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ashton 0 #14 August 30, 2005 its all down to how you exit and how you hold on!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
packerboy 3 #15 August 30, 2005 A couple friends of mine tried one on a smaller canopy "by smaller I mean 120'ish" and the passenger didn't hang on and got kicked in the face on his way down with enough force to knock him out, luckily he wasn't knocked out and all ended well. We have an instructor who has been the pilot of about 7-8 Mr. Bills in the last 2 years (it seems to have become the thing to do on your 100th at our DZ) and he uses a Manta and deploys himself. The first attempt was an IAD, but was decided after that it wasn't the best choice. Using a larger canopy would give you a longer time to get situated for a better launch (get yourself standing on the pilots shoulders) and also gives the video guy time to get in place to get a good shot. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NSEMN8R 0 #16 August 30, 2005 Quote> If I'm way up high with a canopy that I know will open fine, where's the problem? Asymmetrically loaded 4:1 elliptical canopies don't generally open fine. And unless you have a second harness, "Mr. Bill" is not going to load your harness symmetrically. >I've never heard of an incident involving a Mr. Bill We tried one at Brown a while back. First attempt failed. Second attempt resulted in a broken femur and a destroyed main parachute. Landing a reserve on a no-wind day with a broken femur is unpleasant. Wow. I'm glad I asked. Can you share any more details? How did the femur get broken? Was it Mr. Bill's femur or the other guy's? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,435 #17 August 30, 2005 >How did the femur get broken? First one was sort of a hard opening and he fell off, losing some skin and getting kicked in the process. On the second attempt, an IAD gone awry resulted in an even harder opening, and the leg that Sluggo had wrapped around Mr. Bill broke instantly. Bill fell away with some serious bruising and scraping but no serious injury. Somewhere I still have pictures of the 18 inch by 6 inch solid black hematoma on his leg. Sluggo landed with the broken femur under his reserve. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigern13 0 #18 August 30, 2005 Forgive my ignorance but what is a mr bill EXACTLY. I mean I have gotten a pretty good idea reading this thread what it probably is but dont know for sure. Thanks "I love 'lamp'." -SKYMAMA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
linestretch 0 #19 August 30, 2005 QuoteWell congratulations! That is just plain stupid. ummmm, that's rough. I think that someone did it under that small of a canopy is kick ass. I did one several months ago and the pilot had a stiletto 120. It worked awesome....except for the line twists. Yeah, there are risks, but none of them are to you.....relaxmy pics & stuff! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,435 #20 August 30, 2005 >Forgive my ignorance but what is a mr bill EXACTLY. Sluggo and Mr. Bill hold on during exit. Sluggo deploys. Mr. Bill then falls away sometime later and opens his own parachute. There are a million variations on this but that's the basic idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #21 August 30, 2005 QuoteYeah, there are risks, but none of them are to you.....relax Your right, we should encourage low inexperienced skydivers to do high risk stunts! NOT! The good news is that there is a real possibility that they will get their name, information and equipment they used published for FREE in Parachutist under "Incidents"Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigern13 0 #22 August 30, 2005 Again since I have only been around for a few weeks, I hope NOBODY takes this the wrong way but isnt this ABSOLUTELY EXTRELMELY (I cant spell for chit) dangerous? And what is the purpose/goal behind it? And last, is this a common practice? Again I am NOT critsizing anyone or second guessing or whatever.. Just trying educate myself through all of YOU who DO have experience. THANKS "I love 'lamp'." -SKYMAMA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
linestretch 0 #23 August 30, 2005 QuoteQuoteYeah, there are risks, but none of them are to you.....relax Your right, we should encourage low inexperienced skydivers to do high risk stunts! NOT! The good news is that there is a real possibility that they will get their name, information and equipment they used published for FREE in Parachutist under "Incidents" Yeah, you're right...I'm an idiot. I didn't realize I was encouraging lowtime jumpers. That being said.....NO ONE TRY THIS!!!!my pics & stuff! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #24 August 30, 2005 Your attitude is complacent and dangerous. You may have gotten away with it once, and you may get away with it again, but adding risk to something that is already dangerous enough is asking for an incident down the road. Incidents are usually described as having several causal factors, and they all lead up to the incident. Also what example are you setting for those who have less experience than you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #25 August 30, 2005 QuoteThat being said.....NO ONE TRY THIS!!!!Come on, you know that it should be "hold my beer, watch this!"Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
