DougH 270 #1 December 9, 2006 Hey all. I can't seem to find this in my sim so maybe some one else can answer this questions for me. For each license class there is either in air maneuvers that must be completed in a listed time, or you have to do a number of successful jumps. For the B I think it is 10 successful group sky dives, I assume 3way or more, or a check dive of a Left 360, Right 360, back-flip, Left 360, Right 360, back-flip in 18 seconds. Does some one with an instructor rating have to conduct the in air test, or can a coach sign off? I know a coach can sign off on the A license sheets."The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 259 #2 December 9, 2006 There isn't an in air "test" for the higher licenses. Go do the jump(s), log them and have the logbook entry signed by a witness. On the license application you'll note the jump number(s) on which you met the requirement(s). An instructor (or S&TA/BOD member for the D) has to initial the boxes on the license application but does not have to be on the jumps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #3 December 9, 2006 "SIM 3-1 (C) 3. Jumps to meet skill requirements must be signed by a USPA Instructor, Instructor Examiner, Safety & Training Advisor, or a member of the USPA Board of Directors." So technically an instructor (or others from above) has to sign the jump itself (in the logbook)... but I've never seen that rule enforced. But to sign it, the instructor doesn't necessarily need to witness the jump, he just has to trust that the person actually did it. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #4 December 9, 2006 QuoteThere isn't an in air "test" for the higher licenses. I thought there was according to the SIM, from section 3:1 Quote B License 2. Persons holding a USPA B license are able to exercise all privileges of an A-license holder, perform night jumps, with 100 jumps are eligible for the USPA Coach Rating, and must have- a. obtained a USPA A license b. completed 50 jumps including: (1) accumulated at least 30 minutes of controlled freefall time (2) landed within ten meters of target center on ten jumps c. aerial performance requirements, either: (1) demonstrated the ability to perform individual maneuvers (left 360, right 360, backloop, left 360, right 360, backloop) in freefall in 18 seconds or less (2) or successful completion of the planned formation(s) on ten group freefall jumps d. documentation of live water landing training with full equipment in accordance with the procedures in the Skydiver's Information Manual e. passed a written exam conducted by a current USPA I, I/E, S&TA, or USPA Board member. I don't have the 10 "successful" group dives because I have been doing mostly 2ways with my partner in order to train for the collegiate comp, but I know I can easily do the in air stuff the SIM asks for. I have more than 10 group skydives, but they were a bit ambitious, and I think only 7 or 8 went exactly to plan. "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yamtx73 0 #5 December 9, 2006 Since the SIM doesn't specify how large or small the group has to be....The only naturals in this sport shit thru feathers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #6 December 9, 2006 I think common sense does, a group would have three or more in my book. "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #7 December 9, 2006 SIM 6-1 defines group freefall: "1. Group skydiving, traditionally called "relative work," may be described as the intentional maneuvering of two or more skydivers in proximity to one another in freefall." 2-ways count. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #8 December 9, 2006 Oh, then I meet all the requirements.... Sweet!!"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 259 #9 December 10, 2006 You have to do a style series (that's what doing left 360, right 360, backloop, left 360, right 360, backloop used to be called), but as far as I can tell - and as far as I've seen in actual practice - there is no requirement that an instructor be in-air observing you while you do it. QuoteI have more than 10 group skydives, but they were a bit ambitious, and I think only 7 or 8 went exactly to plan. There is no requirement that the group skydives go as planned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #10 December 10, 2006 QuoteThere is no requirement that the group skydives go as planned. I think there is (from the SIM): Quote(2) or successful completion of the planned formation(s) on ten group freefall jumps Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #11 December 10, 2006 They have to be planned and successful, otherwise every blown to shit dive would count. As long as two ways counts I have way more than 10, I have done about 25 jumps with my partner and we manage to turn at least a couple points on each one. "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #12 December 10, 2006 QuoteThey have to be planned and successful, otherwise every blown to shit dive would count. That was my point.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #13 December 10, 2006 Can't ya just plan to wave at each other from 50 feet away? Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #14 December 10, 2006 QuoteCan't ya just plan to wave at each other from 50 feet away? Dave So what would we call that formation Dave? "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #15 December 10, 2006 Don't know the name, but it might just qualify you for my spot as Alternate on the SkydivingMovies.com 1-way RW Team. I was thinking next year I might just make the team, but now I dunno... there's new talent coming along. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 259 #16 December 10, 2006 QuoteI think there is (from the SIM): Dammit! I was wrong. I really hate it when I'm wrong. Well, there's another reason to only plan what you think you have a snowball's chance of completing, huh? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #17 December 11, 2006 QuoteThey have to be planned and successful... Whaaa? Skydives can be both planned AND successful? Now that's a novel idea! I gotta try one..they must be fun!My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #18 December 11, 2006 Quote Whaaa? Skydives can be both planned AND successful? Now that's a novel idea! I gotta try one..they must be fun! Just be careful!!!! "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
