airdvr 200 #1 March 12, 2017 In 2009 the headline was Obama to replace U.S. Attorneys http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2009/05/obama-to-replace-us-attorneys-018390 Fast forward 8 years and the headline becomes...Trump team ousts Obama-appointed U.S. attorneys http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/jeff-sessions-trump-obama-us-attorneys-resignation-235940Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 340 #2 March 12, 2017 Words have meaning. For example, regarding the Clinton administration: "President Bill Clinton’s attorney general, Janet Reno, asked for resignations in March 1993, but allowed U.S. attorneys to stay in place until their replacements could be confirmed. " (quote from the article you linked). In this case, then, the term "replaced" fits well. Regarding the Trump administration: "Flores initially declined to comment when asked if the prosecutors had to leave their posts right away, but said later Friday that the resignations were to be “effective immediately.” and: "The White House has not yet lined up replacements for the Obama-era U.S. attorneys being shown the door, a senior administration official told POLITICO. Trump has not yet formally nominated anyone to a U.S. attorney post." We cannot say the prosecutors have been "replaced", as they have been terminated before any of their replacements have been even nominated, much less confirmed. In this case "ousted" describes the situation more accurately. Indeed Politico is showing it's true colors: accurate reporting of the news. No-one has disputed that the President has the right to fill political appointments with people of their own choosing. Clinton replaced prosecutors, but did so in an orderly manner that allowed ongoing investigations and prosecutions to proceed in an orderly manner. Trump, as is his "style" has decided to replace prosecutors in a manner that will ensure as much chaos and disruption as possible. Clearly he has no concern if he jeopardizes the prosecution of ongoing cases. This seems consistent with his obvious disrespect for anyone with actual professional credentials, as opposed to his love of "populism". That disrespect, indeed contempt, is also evident in how those US attorneys were notified of their dismissal: several learned of it via phone calls from reporters, or by hearing about it on the news. Preet Bharara, the US attorney for New York, had earlier been asked by the President to stay in office. As is typical of Trump and his sycophants, people are regarded as tools to be used or discarded, not as human beings worthy of respect and decent treatment. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #3 March 13, 2017 GeorgiaDonWords have meaning. For example, regarding the Clinton administration: "President Bill Clinton’s attorney general, Janet Reno, asked for resignations in March 1993, but allowed U.S. attorneys to stay in place until their replacements could be confirmed. " (quote from the article you linked). In this case, then, the term "replaced" fits well. Regarding the Trump administration: "Flores initially declined to comment when asked if the prosecutors had to leave their posts right away, but said later Friday that the resignations were to be “effective immediately.” and: "The White House has not yet lined up replacements for the Obama-era U.S. attorneys being shown the door, a senior administration official told POLITICO. Trump has not yet formally nominated anyone to a U.S. attorney post." We cannot say the prosecutors have been "replaced", as they have been terminated before any of their replacements have been even nominated, much less confirmed. In this case "ousted" describes the situation more accurately. Indeed Politico is showing it's true colors: accurate reporting of the news. No-one has disputed that the President has the right to fill political appointments with people of their own choosing. Clinton replaced prosecutors, but did so in an orderly manner that allowed ongoing investigations and prosecutions to proceed in an orderly manner. Trump, as is his "style" has decided to replace prosecutors in a manner that will ensure as much chaos and disruption as possible. Clearly he has no concern if he jeopardizes the prosecution of ongoing cases. This seems consistent with his obvious disrespect for anyone with actual professional credentials, as opposed to his love of "populism". That disrespect, indeed contempt, is also evident in how those US attorneys were notified of their dismissal: several learned of it via phone calls from reporters, or by hearing about it on the news. Preet Bharara, the US attorney for New York, had earlier been asked by the President to stay in office. As is typical of Trump and his sycophants, people are regarded as tools to be used or discarded, not as human beings worthy of respect and decent treatment. Don I'm in agreement with your first two paragraphs, the last is more an opinion than fact. Just my .02 cents Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 340 #4 March 13, 2017 Quote... the last is more an opinion than fact. Just my .02 cents Certainly that is my opinion. However it seems obvious to me that anyone who actually gave a damn about the functioning of the judicial system would ensure the replacements were ready to take over before requiring the incumbents to clear out. Also it seems gratuitously disrespectful, indeed it seems deliberately cruel, to dismiss people on a couple of hours notice, including people who had been asked to stay on the job, and to let them find out via a press release without even the courtesy of personally notifying them. However perhaps you disagree, or make a practice of treating people that way yourself? Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,145 #5 March 13, 2017 airdvrIn 2009 the headline was Obama to replace U.S. Attorneys http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2009/05/obama-to-replace-us-attorneys-018390 Fast forward 8 years and the headline becomes...Trump team ousts Obama-appointed U.S. attorneys http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/jeff-sessions-trump-obama-us-attorneys-resignation-235940 Yes, accurate reporting is not something you would be familiar with. This post is indeed a great sign of the times though. The right is very upset about biased reporting and demands that news media is truthful. Then gets very upset when truthful isn't the same as positive. Better run back to Breitbart for that "honest" reporting. Wouldn't want to find out what reality is like.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,648 #6 March 13, 2017 Why do you hate factual reporting?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 913 #7 March 13, 2017 kallend Why do you hate factual reporting? Facts= cognitive dissonance = anger = reaction- reinforcing established values, ideas and foundations of fixed thinking process. vs Facts= thinking= reevaluate recognized values, ideas and foundations of rational thought= change aforementioned, or reinforce them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,145 #8 March 13, 2017 Replacement being considered for NY is Roger Aisles' personal lawyer. Of course Preet was investigating Fox News, including possible non-reported payments to women accusing Aisles. But I am sure that is all just coincidence. That same office is also investigating Russian money laundering. The concept works like this: say you have $20 worth of real estate, the Russian entity offers to buy it at $40 million and split the overage 50/50. If you think that sounds familiar....well it does. Trump sold property in Florida at twice the value to a Russian oligarch. That property is now demolished and the land being sold at a loss.... But like I said, I am sure these are all just coincidences. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #9 March 13, 2017 GeorgiaDonQuote... the last is more an opinion than fact. Just my .02 cents Certainly that is my opinion. However it seems obvious to me that anyone who actually gave a damn about the functioning of the judicial system would ensure the replacements were ready to take over before requiring the incumbents to clear out. Also it seems gratuitously disrespectful, indeed it seems deliberately cruel, to dismiss people on a couple of hours notice, including people who had been asked to stay on the job, and to let them find out via a press release without even the courtesy of personally notifying them. However perhaps you disagree, or make a practice of treating people that way yourself? Don " or make a practice of treating people that way yourself?" Really thought you where making a good point until you try to infer I'm guilty of a practice of letting people go without notice? I wasn't aware I had such power available to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 340 #10 March 13, 2017 QuoteReally thought you where making a good point until you try to infer I'm guilty of a practice of letting people go without notice? I wasn't aware I had such power available to me. That was inappropriate for me to add to the post, and I apologize for that. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aphid 0 #11 March 13, 2017 SkyDekkerReplacement being considered for NY is Roger Aisles' personal lawyer. Of course Preet was investigating Fox News, including possible non-reported payments to women accusing Aisles. SkyDekkerThat same office is also investigating Russian money laundering. The concept works like this: say you have $20 worth of real estate, the Russian entity offers to buy it at $40 million and split the overage 50/50. SkyDekkerIf you think that sounds familiar....well it does. Trump sold property in Florida at twice the value to a Russian oligarch. That property is now demolished and the land being sold at a loss.... Can you provide supporting citations for the three allegations please? Thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lummy 4 #12 March 14, 2017 to start Mukasey as possible replacementI promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. eat sushi, get smoochieTTK#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aphid 0 #13 March 14, 2017 lummyto start Mukasey as possible replacement Thank you. Any secondary sources with a better record of journalistic credibility? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,145 #14 March 14, 2017 aphid***Replacement being considered for NY is Roger Aisles' personal lawyer. Of course Preet was investigating Fox News, including possible non-reported payments to women accusing Aisles. SkyDekkerThat same office is also investigating Russian money laundering. The concept works like this: say you have $20 worth of real estate, the Russian entity offers to buy it at $40 million and split the overage 50/50. SkyDekkerIf you think that sounds familiar....well it does. Trump sold property in Florida at twice the value to a Russian oligarch. That property is now demolished and the land being sold at a loss.... Can you provide supporting citations for the three allegations please? Thanks. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-11/trump-fires-wall-street-enforcer-bharara-who-refused-to-resign http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/donald-trump-2016-russian-ties-214116 http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/22/u-s-prosecutors-are-out-to-crack-russia-s-crooked-money-machine.html https://www.buzzfeed.com/matthewzeitlin/russian-money-laundering-case-in-new-york-court-could-be-del?utm_term=.qeXDaKP8V#.hsEALGdW4 http://lawnewz.com/uncategorized/fired-u-s-attorney-was-probing-whether-fox-illegally-obtained-journalists-phone-records-report-says/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 913 #15 March 14, 2017 SkyDekker******Replacement being considered for NY is Roger Aisles' personal lawyer. Of course Preet was investigating Fox News, including possible non-reported payments to women accusing Aisles. SkyDekkerThat same office is also investigating Russian money laundering. The concept works like this: say you have $20 worth of real estate, the Russian entity offers to buy it at $40 million and split the overage 50/50. SkyDekkerIf you think that sounds familiar....well it does. Trump sold property in Florida at twice the value to a Russian oligarch. That property is now demolished and the land being sold at a loss.... Can you provide supporting citations for the three allegations please? Thanks. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-11/trump-fires-wall-street-enforcer-bharara-who-refused-to-resign http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/donald-trump-2016-russian-ties-214116 http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/22/u-s-prosecutors-are-out-to-crack-russia-s-crooked-money-machine.html https://www.buzzfeed.com/matthewzeitlin/russian-money-laundering-case-in-new-york-court-could-be-del?utm_term=.qeXDaKP8V#.hsEALGdW4 http://lawnewz.com/uncategorized/fired-u-s-attorney-was-probing-whether-fox-illegally-obtained-journalists-phone-records-report-says/ Thanks for that: Here is the answer. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-trump-ethics-lawsuit-idUSKBN15701V Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aphid 0 #16 March 14, 2017 SkyDekker*** Can you provide supporting citations for the three allegations please? Thanks. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-11/trump-fires-wall-street-enforcer-bharara-who-refused-to-resign http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/donald-trump-2016-russian-ties-214116 http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/22/u-s-prosecutors-are-out-to-crack-russia-s-crooked-money-machine.html https://www.buzzfeed.com/matthewzeitlin/russian-money-laundering-case-in-new-york-court-could-be-del?utm_term=.qeXDaKP8V#.hsEALGdW4 http://lawnewz.com/uncategorized/fired-u-s-attorney-was-probing-whether-fox-illegally-obtained-journalists-phone-records-report-says/ Thank you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
