Corporate Welfare

[funjumper101 15]

turtlespeed

*********None - Unless you can prove otherwise? Thought not.

So you say that no illegals are in this country?

Yup, clearly. As much as you are saying everybody is illegal.

Why do I need to prove what the government admit, and any reasonable thinking person knows?

Reasonable thinking people do NOT come up with ignorant crap about "illegals" being a major problem. We are intelligent enough to see the world as a complicated, messy place. Simple minded solutions to complex problems come from simple minded people. The simple minds show a major lack of empathy to those that are "others" branded as that aren't like you. "Illegals" is the current fashionable epithet thrown about by the simpletons.

A kid brought to the USA as a child, raised and educated here, should be allowed to stay here and participate legally in the economy so that they can pay back the next generation for the public education received.

These "illegals" you trash talk about are people, just like you. They eat, they shit, love their children and extended families, just like you do. The fact that they or their parents took huge risks to come to a place that they can better their lives is to be applauded. These are the kind of people who make the USA a better place. They are far better people than the lazy white trash who call them "illegals", as though that is something evil. The same lazy white trash want jobs, but don't actually want to "work" at those jobs. Having worked with both kinds of people, I would much rather work with "illegals" than the lazy white trash "get-over" specialists. The lazy white trash are always looking to get paid, while doing as little work as possible. The "illegals" work their asses off, which is part of why the lazy white trash hate them.

The worst people around are the lazy white trash idiots who fly the Confederate Flag, listen to Nutter Beck, Lush Rimjob, O'Reilly, and watch/believe Faux Spews.

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funjumper101

************None - Unless you can prove otherwise? Thought not.

So you say that no illegals are in this country?

Yup, clearly. As much as you are saying everybody is illegal.

Why do I need to prove what the government admit, and any reasonable thinking person knows?

Reasonable thinking people do NOT come up with ignorant crap about "illegals" being a major problem. We are intelligent enough to see the world as a complicated, messy place.

How did you reasonably lump yourself into the "We"?

Assumptions and ego?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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turtlespeed

***http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/15/mcdonalds-wages-taxpayers_n_4100866.html?ref=topbar

Taxpayers are shelling out $1.2 billion a year to help pay workers at McDonald’s, according to an estimate from the National Employment Law Project published Tuesday. The organization used estimated figures from a study by University of California-Berkeley and University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign on how many fast food workers rely on public assistance programs like food stamps and Medicaid for its analysis.

Overall, low wages at the top 10 largest fast food chains cost taxpayers about $3.8 billion per year, NELP found.

As Republicans in Congress fight to curb spending on entitlement programs like food stamps, the report offers an often overlooked solution: Companies could pay workers more to decrease their reliance on public assistance.

"A very easy policy fix here would to raise the minimum wage," said Sylvia Allegretto, the co-chair of Berkeley’s Center on Wage and Employment Dynamics and one of the authors of the Berkeley/UI study. "The firms that pay a large share of their workers at or near the minimum wage -- these workers disproportionately have to rely on public subsidies."

It wouldn't impact me at all as far as fast food goes.
It does however not just affect the FF industry.

Unless you are completely naive, you have to realize that it would be a blanket inflation move.

FF jobs are not meant to be permanent positions with retirement. They are stepping stones onto something better.

Instead of being so complacent, explore betterment. Government has a lot of self improvement benefits that could be used instead of the ones that are so easily acquired.

See Wendy it really is quite simple.

You are a rocket scientist, because thats what you wanted to be.

These lazy fuckers just want to be fast food workers.

If they just explored a little betterment they would be rocket scientists, make mad bank, and not suck the govt. teat......well at least not directly. NASA is pretty teat sucky...

[champu 1]

That was the article I was alluding to when I made my comment. Although I was directing it more at the corresponding cartogram where you see a handful of deep purple cities and a bunch of mush everywhere else. This makes pointing fingers at states (regardless of what you're saying while you're pointing) silly.

And, since you ask Wendy, I have been to Texas.

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Bignugget

******http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/15/mcdonalds-wages-taxpayers_n_4100866.html?ref=topbar

Taxpayers are shelling out $1.2 billion a year to help pay workers at McDonald’s, according to an estimate from the National Employment Law Project published Tuesday. The organization used estimated figures from a study by University of California-Berkeley and University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign on how many fast food workers rely on public assistance programs like food stamps and Medicaid for its analysis.

Overall, low wages at the top 10 largest fast food chains cost taxpayers about $3.8 billion per year, NELP found.

As Republicans in Congress fight to curb spending on entitlement programs like food stamps, the report offers an often overlooked solution: Companies could pay workers more to decrease their reliance on public assistance.

"A very easy policy fix here would to raise the minimum wage," said Sylvia Allegretto, the co-chair of Berkeley’s Center on Wage and Employment Dynamics and one of the authors of the Berkeley/UI study. "The firms that pay a large share of their workers at or near the minimum wage -- these workers disproportionately have to rely on public subsidies."

It wouldn't impact me at all as far as fast food goes.
It does however not just affect the FF industry.

Unless you are completely naive, you have to realize that it would be a blanket inflation move.

FF jobs are not meant to be permanent positions with retirement. They are stepping stones onto something better.

Instead of being so complacent, explore betterment. Government has a lot of self improvement benefits that could be used instead of the ones that are so easily acquired.

See Wendy it really is quite simple.

You are a rocket scientist, because thats what you wanted to be.

These lazy fuckers just want to be fast food workers.

If they just explored a little betterment they would be rocket scientists, make mad bank, and not suck the govt. teat......well at least not directly. NASA is pretty teat sucky...

Now you finally get it. I know you are being sarcastic, but it does actually work that way if you really want it to.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[wmw999 2,175]

That was a really great article -- I'm glad it was posted. I'll admit that I tend to watch our legislature (which is solidly republican) and all of the statewide positions (which are solidly republican). And, well, I live in a solidly republican district, so I'll admit I've let the near view drive my perception.

I don't think Texas is real close to flipping, in part because of the redistricting that's been done, consolidating power. But I do hope to see some more balance.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[wmw999 2,175]

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Now you finally get it. I know you are being sarcastic, but it does actually work that way if you really want it to.

Of course, I also had good parenting, good schooling, good health, reasonable looks, and reasonable intelligence. Without any of those, I probably would not have ended up in as good a position, even working really hard.

Life's not always fair -- it can't be. But piling it up and making it even harder on people who already have it harder, simply because you're more comfortable with the people who have it easier, is not a just society.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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wmw999

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Now you finally get it. I know you are being sarcastic, but it does actually work that way if you really want it to.

Of course, I also had good parenting, good schooling, good health, reasonable looks, and reasonable intelligence. Without any of those, I probably would not have ended up in as good a position, even working really hard.

Life's not always fair -- it can't be. But piling it up and making it even harder on people who already have it harder, simply because you're more comfortable with the people who have it easier, is not a just society.

Wendy P.

Why not follow the laws we have in place Wendy?

I get it that life isn't fair. You know some of my story.
If I can get up from where I was and get to where I am, so can everyone else.
All it takes is the will.

I didn't accept any handouts, or incentives, or entitlements.
I just worked harder, longer, and wasn't all that picky over what I did . . . just to pay taxes and bills and requirements that were unjust.

I did however at a very low point ask for assistance.

I was denied.

I didn't qualify.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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wmw999

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Now you finally get it. I know you are being sarcastic, but it does actually work that way if you really want it to.

Of course, I also had good parenting, good schooling, good health, reasonable looks, and reasonable intelligence. Without any of those, I probably would not have ended up in as good a position, even working really hard.

Life's not always fair -- it can't be. But piling it up and making it even harder on people who already have it harder, simply because you're more comfortable with the people who have it easier, is not a just society.

Wendy P.

You worked hard for all that stuff Wendy.

Don't sell yourself short.

If good parenting, good schooling, good health, and reasonable intelligence were easy to come by everyone would have it.

You had to work hard to be raised in an environment like that and get those genes.

We also know, because it is shown widely in the United States, that people can start with nothing and become Bill Gates.

Look how many Bill Gates there are, probably just as many as fry the french fries in America. Just get off your asses you lazy ass french fry makers, with just a bit of hard work you will make the Bill Gates' outsize the french fry makers.

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Bignugget

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Now you finally get it. I know you are being sarcastic, but it does actually work that way if you really want it to.

Of course, I also had good parenting, good schooling, good health, reasonable looks, and reasonable intelligence. Without any of those, I probably would not have ended up in as good a position, even working really hard.

Life's not always fair -- it can't be. But piling it up and making it even harder on people who already have it harder, simply because you're more comfortable with the people who have it easier, is not a just society.

Wendy P.

You worked hard for all that stuff Wendy.

Don't sell yourself short.

If good parenting, good schooling, good health, and reasonable intelligence were easy to come by everyone would have it.

You had to work hard to be raised in an environment like that and get those genes.

We also know, because it is shown widely in the United States, that people can start with nothing and become Bill Gates.

Look how many Bill Gates there are, probably just as many as fry the french fries in America. Just get off your asses you lazy ass french fry makers, with just a bit of hard work you will make the Bill Gates' outsize the french fry makers.

Thats stupid. I never said that betterment = billionaire status.
Try being reasonable for a change.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Bignugget 0]

You are absolutely right.

You said that anyone could be like Wendy.

A NASA rocket scientist.

I bet there are almost as many of those as french fry makers too. You can replace Bill Gates with rocket scientists if it makes you feel better.

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Bignugget

You said that anyone could be like Wendy.

You are a liar.

Show me where I said "Anyone could be like Wendy".

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Bignugget 0]

turtlespeed

*********http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/15/mcdonalds-wages-taxpayers_n_4100866.html?ref=topbar

Taxpayers are shelling out $1.2 billion a year to help pay workers at McDonald’s, according to an estimate from the National Employment Law Project published Tuesday. The organization used estimated figures from a study by University of California-Berkeley and University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign on how many fast food workers rely on public assistance programs like food stamps and Medicaid for its analysis.

Overall, low wages at the top 10 largest fast food chains cost taxpayers about $3.8 billion per year, NELP found.

As Republicans in Congress fight to curb spending on entitlement programs like food stamps, the report offers an often overlooked solution: Companies could pay workers more to decrease their reliance on public assistance.

"A very easy policy fix here would to raise the minimum wage," said Sylvia Allegretto, the co-chair of Berkeley’s Center on Wage and Employment Dynamics and one of the authors of the Berkeley/UI study. "The firms that pay a large share of their workers at or near the minimum wage -- these workers disproportionately have to rely on public subsidies."

It wouldn't impact me at all as far as fast food goes.
It does however not just affect the FF industry.

Unless you are completely naive, you have to realize that it would be a blanket inflation move.

FF jobs are not meant to be permanent positions with retirement. They are stepping stones onto something better.

Instead of being so complacent, explore betterment. Government has a lot of self improvement benefits that could be used instead of the ones that are so easily acquired.

See Wendy it really is quite simple.

You are a rocket scientist, because thats what you wanted to be.

These lazy fuckers just want to be fast food workers.

If they just explored a little betterment they would be rocket scientists, make mad bank, and not suck the govt. teat......well at least not directly. NASA is pretty teat sucky...

Now you finally get it. I know you are being sarcastic, but it does actually work that way if you really want it to.


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[DaVinci 0]

What he said was pretty clear. If you want something, you have to work for it. Not a difficult concept.

Wendy wanted something, she worked for it. I'd bet she made quite a few sacrifices along the way to get her goal.

And the fact is that there are plenty of people that want something NOW and are not willing to work for a long distance goal. I have lots of kids at drive through's make comments that they like my car. My reply? "Thanks, complete college and you can easily have one too".

I have a buddy, a packer at a DZ I was at, he wanted "something more" badly... Wanted to be more than a packer. I thought that was great and asked him if he wanted to talk about it. During our discussion we talked about a path off of the one he was on. He got his first real job off the DZ and started to make a little bit of money. He started to save up to go get an education..... And then instead, bought a new car. He is now trapped by the car payment and working just to keep the car. But he sure does look cool driving to his night job at Walmart.

I think he would of looked better driving his old POS to school. But some car dealer got his hooks into him and made the sale.

I had started planning his graduation gift if he had made it though school.... I was going to give him my car.

He made a CHOICE. I personally think it was a terrible choice. But it was his to make. Some people make choices... Have a kid early before they can afford it. Decide they like alcohol more than a job.

Not being poor is actually not that difficult.
1. Don't drink alcohol or smoke.
If you smoke a pack a day that is about 2500/year (7 x 365)
If you drink a 6 pack a day that is about 2500/year as well.
So 5k a year you could save.

2. Don't buy a new car. My car is 7 years old. I just spent 500 dollars in maintenance on it, maybe another 1K in other repairs over the years. But other than that, I have not had a car payment in over 5 years. Even if I had taken payment to 5 years I would still have 'saved' over 10k dollars or 5k a year (500X24-repairs/2) by not having a new car.

3. Maybe don't do an expensive sport for fun unless you can afford it. The average person makes 50-100 jumps a year at 25/jump. 1250-2500

So just these three things and you could save 11-12K dollars a year. Take that and INVEST in education and you can improve your earning potential. Even if you don't go to school, you would have 11-12K dollars more a year.

But most people would rather go to boogies, drink, and have fun. It is the CHOICES people make that put them where they are.

Yes, there are some examples of people just being set up to fail. But even a half black kid with an absent father ended up as President. No, not everyone will "win". But avoiding certain behaviors and they sure as hell will do better.

[wmw999 2,175]

This is very, very true. And very hard for some people.

I'm built that way. I drove heaps for years; I've only ever had one car note. Always had roommates. Got my rigger's ticket and instructor's ticket to pay for my expensive hobby.

Anyone who's having trouble -- listen to Dave Ramsey on day-to-day money management. No matter what you think about religion or politics, he's all about deferred gratification so that you can have enough later.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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powerofbinary

No, the corporations pay below poverty levels and the state has to subsidise them or have children starving and blood on the streets.

There's no law which says poor people need to buy or rent their own private living space, drive newer cars everywhere, have cable or satellite TV, etc.

Money goes much farther when you spend $300 to rent a room instead of $600 for a one-bedroom apartment, take a bicycle to work instead of using $4 a gallon gasoline, don't have a $60/month TV bill, etc.

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DrewEckhardt

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No, the corporations pay below poverty levels and the state has to subsidise them or have children starving and blood on the streets.

There's no law which says poor people need to buy or rent their own private living space, drive newer cars everywhere, have cable or satellite TV, etc.

Money goes much farther when you spend $300 to rent a room instead of $600 for a one-bedroom apartment, take a bicycle to work instead of using $4 a gallon gasoline, don't have a $60/month TV bill, etc.

According to Ron 'disease is a product of sin'. You seem to be saying that poverty is always a product of sloth and bad financial decisions?

[wmw999 2,175]

I don't believe he is; but he is saying that it's exacerbated by poor decisions. Even when those decisions are understandable (when you haven't had anything, ever, and all of a sudden someone says that you can get a car on credit -- it's tempting).

And he's right about that. The important part is understanding the balance, and understanding that the balance is a moving target, and not some fixed unchanging point.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[billvon 2,475]

>You seem to be saying that poverty is always a product of sloth and bad financial
>decisions?

It usually is. Not always, but usually.

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billvon

>You seem to be saying that poverty is always a product of sloth and bad financial
>decisions?

It usually is. Not always, but usually.

I'm more pessimistic. Poverty is a hard trap to get out of and it is the minority who do so. Blaming those who make all the right decisions but still remain in poverty is easy to do but analagous to Ron's 'disease is the product of sin' viewpoint.

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wmw999

I don't believe he is; but he is saying that it's exacerbated by poor decisions. Even when those decisions are understandable (when you haven't had anything, ever, and all of a sudden someone says that you can get a car on credit -- it's tempting).

When in poverty every single decision you take must be the right one - you cannot afford to make a single mistake. Who never makes a mistake?

For instance you get a job offer but have to pay to relocate or get a car. You do not have the immediate money to do either. What do you do?

[wmw999 2,175]

I agree. But all I said was that it's exacerbated by poor decisions, not caused by it. The biggest cause of being poor is having poor parents. Always has been, always will be.

But actively frugal living can take you from desperately, living-in-your-car-sometimes poor, to mediocre-apartment-and-paid-for-heap-all-the-time poor. And even that's an improvement.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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wmw999

I agree. But all I said was that it's exacerbated by poor decisions, not caused by it. The biggest cause of being poor is having poor parents. Always has been, always will be.

But actively frugal living can take you from desperately, living-in-your-car-sometimes poor, to mediocre-apartment-and-paid-for-heap-all-the-time poor. And even that's an improvement.

Wendy P.

Does living frugally include not buying health insurance?

[wmw999 2,175]

It shouldn't have to. Commonly these days it does .

BTW, the corollary to the part about the best way to be poor is to be born poor, is that a rich slacker has a far greater chance of being rich or comfortable, than a poor person who's reasonably (but not supremely) talented and motivated.

The economic ladder is difficult to climb; these days, when you can no longer move west and find an unperformed service, it's harder. Not as much risk to life as when there were few laws and wild peoples, but lots more impediments to mobility.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Andy9o8 0]

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Who never makes a mistake?

Depends. When corporations post earnings reports and trends for investors, they're referred to as "forward looking statements", and US law gives them a safe harbor against liability. Neat trick, eh?

(Who do you suppose got Congress to write the safe harbor laws?)