Shooting in NY city

[CSpenceFLY 1]

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news%2Flocal%2Fnew_york&id=8785101

This must be a false report because we all know that there are laws against carrying guns in NY.

[pirana 0]

A shooting in NYC is hardly news; not when there are children falling down wells and ducklings crossing the highway.

Wait, hold the presses Diane. There's an insurgency in Syria? Isn't that the Middle East, and don't brown people live there?

Never mind then; back over to you and the ducklings Bob.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[normiss 622]

If you'd just give them their large sodas, we could restore civility to NYC.
Probably not .... but we clearly need more laws.

[Gravitymaster 0]

Apparently a victim of a continuing bad economy as it is being reported he was fired or laid off his job yesterday.

[1969912 0]

Close a few "loopholes" and it'll never happen again.

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

[CSpenceFLY 1]

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Close a few "loopholes" and it'll never happen again.

Yeah....Right....

[SkyDekker 1,145]

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http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news%2Flocal%2Fnew_york&id=8785101

This must be a false report because we all know that there are laws against carrying guns in NY.

Logic is just as stupid as claiming that if every body has a gun no shottings would happen.

[CSpenceFLY 1]

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http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news%2Flocal%2Fnew_york&id=8785101

This must be a false report because we all know that there are laws against carrying guns in NY.

Logic is just as stupid as claiming that if every body has a gun no shottings would happen.

I don't know a single person who would claim that.

[Lefty 0]

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http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news%2Flocal%2Fnew_york&id=8785101

This must be a false report because we all know that there are laws against carrying guns in NY.

Logic is just as stupid as claiming that if every body has a gun no shottings would happen.

Again, random.

Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful.
-Calvin

[SkyDekker 1,145]

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I don't know a single person who would claim that.

And I don't know a single person who claims that laws will prevent something 100%.

[lawrocket 3]

What are the odds that most of the wounded were hit by police gunfire?

I'm interested to read further about this.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[Lefty 0]

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What are the odds that most of the wounded were hit by police gunfire?

I'm interested to read further about this.

I wouldn't bet against those odds. From this story:

"Surveillance video footage shows Johnson reaching into a bag, pulling out a .45-caliber pistol and pointing it at officers, Kelly said. The officers drew their weapons and started firing, killing Johnson, Kelly said.

Kelly initially said that Johnson fired on officers, but police said later they were trying to determine whether Johnson actually fired shots."

Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful.
-Calvin

[quade 3]

Of note...trained professionals, attempting to stop the gunman in daylight conditions, appear to have also hit innocent people.

One only can guess at how many people non-professionals, would have hit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/25/nyregion/several-people-shot-one-fatally-outside-empire-state-building.html?hp#p[MKsHsh]

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[lawrocket 3]

Indeed. For example, an employee of the store taking out the gunman inside could have prevented numerous casualties.

Once the shooter makes it out the door, the risk of collateral damage increases. It's in a crowd now, not a shop.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[kelpdiver 2]

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Of note...trained professionals, attempting to stop the gunman in daylight conditions, appear to have also hit innocent people.

One only can guess at how many people non-professionals, would have hit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/25/nyregion/several-people-shot-one-fatally-outside-empire-state-building.html?hp#p[MKsHsh]

cops have a duty to stop the bad guy...CCWs do not. And this is born about by a couple decades of reality...if your frequently repeated fear were real, we'd be seeing the bodies a mile high by now.

[kelpdiver 2]

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Close a few "loopholes" and it'll never happen again.

Looks simple to me - employers will notify the police 3 days before firing anyone. The cops can be sent down to pick up any guns from the criminal to be in advance of the pink slip. When he gets another job and passes the 90 day probation, he can have his guns back.

[Skyrad 0]

Lame

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[normiss 622]

Ahhh...the old temporary suspension of constitutional rights until normalcy returns.

[kallend 1,648]

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Indeed. For example, an employee of the store taking out the gunman inside could have prevented numerous casualties.

Once the shooter makes it out the door, the risk of collateral damage increases. It's in a crowd now, not a shop.

There was a crowd in that Aurora, CO, cinema too. And it was dark. And noisy.

Yet a bunch of non-professional, untrained gun owners, both here and in other fora, claim that they could have stopped the gunman. They are, of course, deluding themselves.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[lawrocket 3]

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Yet a bunch of non-professional, untrained gun owners, both here and in other fora, claim that they could have stopped the gunman. They are, of course, deluding themselves.

And then there are people like me - a non-professional, trained non-gun owner - who believe that perhaps some people in Aurora could have stood a chance.

As information is coming out on this, the supervisor was not even killed inside the store. The killer capped him on a sidewalk. Then police moved in and started shooting, which apparently caused the wounds to others.

But for the police and the location, this would have been just an ordinary homicide on the street. It's making news because of the 9 wounded - apparently shot by the police.

Not a mass shooting by a nutter. Probably a circumstance where an armed populace wouldn't have helped much. but certainly would have been unlikely to cause more damage than the police did.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[normiss 622]

Still others have never claimed they would have shot nor expected a successful encounter had they.
They simply would prefer to have that option of self defense available to them when needed most.

[SkyDekker 1,145]

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Still others have never claimed they would have shot nor expected a successful encounter had they.
They simply would prefer to have that option of self defense available to them when needed most.

They do. Don't go to a movie theatre that does not allow you to bring a gun.

[kallend 1,648]

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Yet a bunch of non-professional, untrained gun owners, both here and in other fora, claim that they could have stopped the gunman. They are, of course, deluding themselves.

And then there are people like me - a non-professional, trained non-gun owner - who believe that perhaps some people in Aurora could have stood a chance.

As information is coming out on this, the supervisor was not even killed inside the store. The killer capped him on a sidewalk. Then police moved in and started shooting, which apparently caused the wounds to others.

But for the police and the location, this would have been just an ordinary homicide on the street. It's making news because of the 9 wounded - apparently shot by the police.

Not a mass shooting by a nutter. Probably a circumstance where an armed populace wouldn't have helped much. but certainly would have been unlikely to cause more damage than the police did.

A nice lawyerly weaseling response.
Fact is, you were right in pointing out that well meaning gun toting but untrained non-professionals in a crowd are NOT going to improve things.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[normiss 622]

Fair point.
Depending on local, state laws and the added laws for CWP's.
I'm under the understanding that in FL and having a CWP would legally prevent one from doing that - in FL anyway.

[CSpenceFLY 1]

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Of note...trained professionals, attempting to stop the gunman in daylight conditions, appear to have also hit innocent people.

One only can guess at how many people non-professionals, would have hit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/25/nyregion/several-people-shot-one-fatally-outside-empire-state-building.html?hp#p[MKsHsh]

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