mnealtx 0 #1 June 30, 2012 ..and not paying Their Fair Share®: Link QuoteThe Obama administration on Friday threatened to veto a defense appropriations bill in part because it does not include higher health care fees for members of the military. “The Administration is disappointed that the Congress did not incorporate the requested TRICARE fee initiatives into either the appropriation or authorization legislation,” the White House wrote in an official policy statement expressing opposition to the bill, which the House approved in May.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #2 June 30, 2012 That would mostly apply towards retirees and those referred off post to specialist that are not on the local installation, Oncologist for example, not every post has one. Seems an odd reason to veto, there are millions to cut that wouldn't cause the loss of jobs like the current plan. Some millions can be saved and would not one job, either, but no one listens to the worker bees. The Sec Def has minions protecting themselves at the countries expense. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShcShc11 0 #3 June 30, 2012 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/ea/CBO_-_Revenues_and_Outlays_as_percent_GDP.png/800px-CBO_-_Revenues_and_Outlays_as_percent_GDP.png Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #4 June 30, 2012 Hey, that thing showed President Bush had a good first few years!Matt An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #5 June 30, 2012 Quote The "Annual Report to Congress on White House Staff" reveals that White House staff salaries jumped from $37.1 million in 2011 to $37.8 million in 2012, with the total number of White House workers increasing from 454 in 2011 to 468 in 2012. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #6 July 1, 2012 QuoteThat would mostly apply towards retirees and those referred off post to specialist that are not on the local installation, Oncologist for example, not every post has one. Seems an odd reason to veto, there are millions to cut that wouldn't cause the loss of jobs like the current plan. Some millions can be saved and would not one job, either, but no one listens to the worker bees. The Sec Def has minions protecting themselves at the countries expense. Matt Looks like it might hit active duty as well, although to a lesser degree: QuoteSignificantly, the plan calls for increases between 30 percent to 78 percent in Tricare annual premiums for the first year. After that, the plan will impose five-year increases ranging from 94 percent to 345 percent—more than 3 times current levels. According to congressional assessments, a retired Army colonel with a family currently paying $460 a year for health care will pay $2,048. The new plan hits active duty personnel by increasing co-payments for pharmaceuticals and eliminating incentives for using generic drugs.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #7 July 1, 2012 Those pharma's are if they are not normally stocked stuff at the post hospital IIRC. For example: The Cancer treatments here at Campbell had to be done off post. no Doc's and no Chemo Pharma's, so we paid $20 to $50 per visit, per drug (great deal for active duty), depending on the treatment day. There was an AD Captain at most all our trips doing the same thing. So it may effect some, but it would be a real small minority. Not that I agree with all the numbers of the whole policy, but I don't disagree with all of it either. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 126 #8 July 1, 2012 Tricare, medicare, medicare part a , medicare part b, medicaid, the VA, the whatever number of fucking other programs that might be out there..... Why does everyone seem to think that (especially the conservatives) it could POSSIBLY be efficient or cost effective to have all these different programs, each with administrative overhead. Healthcare is healthcare. You get shot in Detroit, you get shot in Iraq, it's the same medicine/doctors/surgeons that that fix you up and get you through rehab and recovery. You have a car accident in Tampa, you have a car accident on an AFB in California, it;s the same medical procedures that get you fixed up and back into shape. The first thing the govt should do to solve health care is merge EVERY SINLGE MEDICAL PROGRAM under one administration and stop duplicating the overhead. Plain and simple and one step closer to an easy single-payer solution for all. Then we would not need to hear about people complaining that the military has to 'pay more' because everyone would be "paying". period. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 38 #9 July 1, 2012 I think you all might be missing something here. Case in point: 30 years ago mrowc6 signed up with the Marines. One of the understandings was that he and his dependents were, and will be, covered as long as he was active duty or did enough time to retire. We have seen our "benefits" shrink and shrink. Laws passed that proved that they lied to us. I guess 20 years and going to war wasn't enough payment. lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 126 #10 July 1, 2012 things change, for everyone. yes everyone. i.e. For the past 60 years, we have been fighting wars. Some day, maybe we are not fighting wars. People who signed up 10 years might have an expectation that we will continue to fight wars. Maybe we won't though. Do I owe them the expectation that they had? I signed on with IBM at 20 years old with a corporation that had full employment through to retirement as standard policy......well all that changed..... Now I run a DZ in Florida. things change. That is why we have elections and govt's. get over it. If you want everything to remain the same forever, then elect a government that will do that - and good luck with it..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 126 #11 July 1, 2012 Even a better idea......since those benefits actually cot TAX dollars to pay for, I volunteer YOUR tax dollars to continue to pay for them, if you are so in favor of them......how very CONSERVATIVE of me...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 38 #12 July 1, 2012 Quotethings change, for everyone. yes everyone. i.e. For the past 60 years, we have been fighting wars. Some day, maybe we are not fighting wars. People who signed up 10 years might have an expectation that we will continue to fight wars. Maybe we won't though. Do I owe them the expectation that they had? I signed on with IBM at 20 years old with a corporation that had full employment through to retirement as standard policy......well all that changed..... Now I run a DZ in Florida. things change. That is why we have elections and govt's. get over it. If you want everything to remain the same forever, then elect a government that will do that - and good luck with it..... I'm assuming when you say "we" have been fighting wars, you don't include yourself. This comment doesn't sound like any that would come from one who actually served.lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 126 #13 July 1, 2012 ahh yes, the personal attack - the FINEST of arguments..... How about this, YOU have never served your county in the service of PEACE. how fucking UN-NOBLE of you...... typical bullshit response. Try a fact someday - I might actually listen to you..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #14 July 1, 2012 Quoteahh yes, the personal attack - the FINEST of arguments..... How about this, YOU have never served your county in the service of PEACE. how fucking UN-NOBLE of you...... typical bullshit response. Try a fact someday - I might actually listen to you..... That's low, even for you. You should be ashamed.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 126 #15 July 1, 2012 agreed, I'm drunk.... It might be cruel, but it is actually fair..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 38 #16 July 1, 2012 Quoteahh yes, the personal attack - the FINEST of arguments..... How about this, YOU have never served your county in the service of PEACE. how fucking UN-NOBLE of you...... typical bullshit response. Try a fact someday - I might actually listen to you..... Not an attack, just an observation. BTW, Those in uniform make it possible for you to be cavalier. Those in uniform sign a contract, just like I presume you did with IBM. Why aren't you angry with IBM if they didn't fulfill their end of the bargain? I guess it's just move on folks, times change?lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 126 #17 July 1, 2012 Here's an observation of mine. To assume that the ONLY reason I enjoy freedoms is because someone carried a rifle is about the biggest load of bullshit that ever came out of anyone's mouth. There are LOT of reason's for freedoms that we enjoy. military service IS actually one of them, but certainly not exclusive, nor does it in ANY WAY diminish the actions of those that promote peace instead of war. Once again, some of those in military service put themselves far above ll of the other people in this country that supposedly enjoy 'equal rights'. I call bullshit. It's your choice to serve in the military. You might think that you have some exclusive 'observation' of the Constitution on account of that, but in fact you do not. I still support the Constitution, I just do it in a different way. DIFFERENT. Not worse nor better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #18 July 1, 2012 How about this, YOU have never served your county in the service of PEACE. Quote How about this, YOU have never served your county in the service of PEACE. Actually this is the mission of the US Armed Services._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 38 #19 July 1, 2012 QuoteHere's an observation of mine. To assume that the ONLY reason I enjoy freedoms is because someone carried a rifle is about the biggest load of bullshit that ever came out of anyone's mouth. There are LOT of reason's for freedoms that we enjoy. military service IS actually one of them, but certainly not exclusive, nor does it in ANY WAY diminish the actions of those that promote peace instead of war. Once again, some of those in military service put themselves far above ll of the other people in this country that supposedly enjoy 'equal rights'. I call bullshit. It's your choice to serve in the military. You might think that you have some exclusive 'observation' of the Constitution on account of that, but in fact you do not. I still support the Constitution, I just do it in a different way. DIFFERENT. Not worse nor better. Peace is always preferable to war. Not always possible, which is why the military exists. (Never mind the fact that a really strong one provides a good incentive to not start a war). If you sign a contract, you expect the other side to honor it. What's so difficult with the concept?lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #20 July 1, 2012 Quoteagreed, I'm drunk.... It might be cruel, but it is actually fair..... No man, that was not fair. You may be drunker than I right now, but it is no excuse for that. Now to the topic. (Lots of backing up, I am drinking and I type like shit sober). When I joined in '86, i was promised medical for life, free, if I made it for a full 20 year career. I made it through a 21 year 1 month career. I pay the full premium for myself and my family. I have no issue with that, personally, but what I disagree with is that the SM is the one bear the burden for Legislative, Executive, and Bureaucratic abuses of our system, causing those who earned what was contracted to lose out. You're right, the Soldier is not the only one who works for the defense of this country, and defends its rights, but he is in a small group who willingly accepts death as an outcome. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #21 July 1, 2012 Quote The first thing the govt should do to solve health care is merge EVERY SINLGE MEDICAL PROGRAM under one administration and stop duplicating the overhead. Do you understand that true markets foster competition, which in turn fosters excellence at cost effective prices? Government health care will have neither.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #22 July 1, 2012 Quote It might be cruel, but it is actually fair..... No, not at all.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #23 July 1, 2012 Quotetrue markets foster competition, which in turn fosters excellence at cost effective prices That may be so generally, but do you really think that that applies equally so to doctors' visits and hospital treatment in the health care system as it currently exists in the US?* (*One area I'd concede is "$4 generics" type prescription programs, which are becoming more prevalent; and that's probably due to competitive forces.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #24 July 1, 2012 Just like government workers in Wisconsin, then.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #25 July 5, 2012 QuoteWhy does everyone seem to think that (especially the conservatives) it could POSSIBLY be efficient or cost effective to have all these different programs, each with administrative overhead. Who says they think it is better? And not agreeing with Govt HC for all is not equal to thinking these programs are good. Personally, having had Tricare and having had to use the VA.... They suck and I'll stick with my private insurance thanks.... BTW didn't a bunch of Canadians have to sue to be allowed to have private insurance? QuoteThe first thing the govt should do to solve health care is merge EVERY SINLGE MEDICAL PROGRAM under one administration and stop duplicating the overhead. That is a smart move. QuotePlain and simple and one step closer to an easy single-payer solution for all. That is not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
