Eliminate the Native American Tax Loophole

[lawrocket 3]

http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2011/08/11/10-15519.pdf

Short synopsis: Blue Lake Rancheria is an Indian Tribe in Humboldt with 52 members. They employ 39,000 people through Mainstay Business Solutions, which provides staffing to employers. got a business? Well, Mainstay will hire them and then lease them to you.

The IRS took out unemployment taxes on the employees. Mainstay said "We're Indians. Can't do that. We want a refund." Then they sued and lost because the tribe was just a front to avoid unemployment taxes. The relevant tax code section is that tribes don't have to pay the unemployment taxes if they are "common law employees."

The Ninth Circuit reversed.

This is a helluva money making scheme by these Indians - sticking it to the US government again because they made their money off of the unemployment taxes. The tribe is a strawman.

Some thing just leave me thinking, "Dayum! I gotta give them credit."

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[popsjumper 2]

"They employ 39,000 people through Mainstay Business Solutions, which provides staffing to employers. got a business? Well, Mainstay will hire them and then lease them to you."

Sounds like a legitimate business to me.
How many temp agencies are there in the U.S.?

I'm all for the Native Americans. Go get 'em, tribe!

OTOH, what does "common law employees" mean?

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[kallend 1,646]

Seems a small price to pay for the land stolen from them.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Andy9o8 0]

If we take it away from them.... won't we be Indian-givers?

[popsjumper 2]

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So, would we be dealing with International or Domestic law? If I work for an employer out of Finland but I work here in the US what laws apply?
Good business model, though.

I'm waiting for an answer to this to find out if I somehow got screwed all those years I was employed by a Canadian company but worked here in the U.S.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[lawrocket 3]

[Reply] what does "common law employees" mean?

[muff528 3]

As a staffing/leasing company, are they not required to collect unemployment "taxes" from their client companies? Aren't their (presumably non-Indian) clients required to pay? If so, then isn't the leasing company fraudulently collecting this money from them? I assumed that the company using these employees must pay the unemployment insurance whether they are paid to the staffing company or directly to the government.

[DanJohnson 0]

***Apparently everybody was happy with the arrangement except the IRS.

[remibond 0]

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***Apparently everybody was happy with the arrangement except the IRS.

What Freeman gives a damn about the IRS?

Are we a country of Freemen or are my country men slaves to a government?

Will we fight as lions or lay down and die as sheep?

[lawrocket 3]

[Reply]As a staffing/leasing company, are they not required to collect unemployment "taxes" from their client companies?

[lawrocket 3]

"Tell us we will die like dogs!"
"Ju weel die like dogs?!"
"No! We will fight like lions!"

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[loumeinhart 0]

[Al PACINO] What Freeman gives a damn about the IRS?

Are we a country of Freemen or are my country men slaves to a government?

Will we fight as lions or lay down and die as sheep? [/AL PACINO]

[DanJohnson 0]

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What Freeman gives a damn about the IRS?

Are we a country of Freemen or are my country men slaves to a government?

Will we fight as lions or lay down and die as sheep?

Well that's...dramatic.

[mnealtx 0]

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What Freeman gives a damn about the IRS?

Are we a country of Freemen or are my country men slaves to a government?

Will we fight as lions or lay down and die as sheep?

Well that's...dramatic.

Dramatic ? Really young man?

Obviously your ignorance of history is now apparent.

[loumeinhart 0]

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No. As a sovereign nation they are not required to collect unemployment taxes on their employees even if they are leased to other companies.

I'm probably missing something... In this scenario, who then collects the unemployment tax?

[DanJohnson 0]

Yes, dramatic bullshit, seeing as you've already said you pay income taxes.

[Gravitymaster 0]

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Seems a small price to pay for the land stolen from them.

Blacks were brought here as slaves after being forcefully removed from their homeland and were humiliated for generations before being freed. Would you support them having to pay no income tax? Seems to me the Indians didn't get as short an end of the stick.

[mnealtx 0]

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Yes, dramatic bullshit, seeing as you've already said you pay income taxes.

Really?
Could you provide a link?
Definately I pay no income taxes.

I do pay every tax I'm required by law to pay and file every form I'm required by law to file.

[lawrocket 3]

Under normal circumstances the employer would. But since the Indian nation is a sovereign nation and gets special dispensation under the Tax Code, employees of Indian tribes do not have Unemployment taxes withheld.

This band of Indians was smart. They don't need to build a casino. Why sell cigarettes and Alcohol or fireworks? With little overhead they can help businesses as tax shelters and make money that way.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[DanJohnson 0]

Really?
Could you provide a link?
Definately I pay no income taxes.

I do pay every tax I'm required by law to pay and file every form I'm required by law to file.

[mnealtx 0]

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Really?
Could you provide a link?
Definately I pay no income taxes.

I do pay every tax I'm required by law to pay and file every form I'm required by law to file.

That was your 'JimBrown' incarnation, here.

Filing the tax forms sort of goes against your whole "FREEBIRD!!!" - oops, sorry - "FREEMAN!!!" rant, doesn't it?

[DanJohnson 0]

[ Again I file every form I'm required by law to file and pay every tax I'm required by law to pay.

I pay no income tax.
I file no 1040.

Do you have a problem with that?

[mnealtx 0]

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[ Again I file every form I'm required by law to file and pay every tax I'm required by law to pay.

I pay no income tax.
I file no 1040.

Do you have a problem with that?

***"So, by signing the line have I perjured myself?"

If you don't file, why were you worried about perjuring yourself?

[DanJohnson 0]

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What are you getting at?
If you have something to say why don't you quit acting like a coy bitch and just act like a man and state what's on your mind?

***Already did - and you'll notice I didn't have to make umpteen different sockpuppet accounts to do it, "Dan".

[mnealtx 0]

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What are you getting at?
If you have something to say why don't you quit acting like a coy bitch and just act like a man and state what's on your mind?

***Already did - and you'll notice I didn't have to make umpteen different sockpuppet accounts to do it, "Dan".

Again, if you have something to say say it!
You are looking like a coy little girl right this moment.

You are acting like a little (sorry I just realized you are from Texas) the Biggest coy bitch in history!!!