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Went to Vegas this past weekend. I currently have a torn MCL so I wear a knee brace much of the time, but since it's a guaranteed pat-down when wearing it, and I can walk okay without it, I folded it up in my carry-on to go through security.
No questions asked leaving Oakland. Coming back from Vegas the screener stops on my bag, and says "what do you have in there?" I said "I've got a knee brace in there - it probably looks weird." He stares at the image a little more. "Do you have two in there?" I said "No, just the one, folded up on itself."
And the bag goes through without further ado.
I'm thinking that seeing an object you can't identify is probably reasonable cause for a look-see in the bag; instead, the guy just trusts that what I'm telling him is true. Sigh.
No questions asked leaving Oakland. Coming back from Vegas the screener stops on my bag, and says "what do you have in there?" I said "I've got a knee brace in there - it probably looks weird." He stares at the image a little more. "Do you have two in there?" I said "No, just the one, folded up on itself."
And the bag goes through without further ado.
I'm thinking that seeing an object you can't identify is probably reasonable cause for a look-see in the bag; instead, the guy just trusts that what I'm telling him is true. Sigh.
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke
... and the problem with just going through the body scanner is?
skyrider 0
QuoteWent to Vegas this past weekend. I currently have a torn MCL so I wear a knee brace much of the time, but since it's a guaranteed pat-down when wearing it, and I can walk okay without it, I folded it up in my carry-on to go through security.
No questions asked leaving Oakland. Coming back from Vegas the screener stops on my bag, and says "what do you have in there?" I said "I've got a knee brace in there - it probably looks weird." He stares at the image a little more. "Do you have two in there?" I said "No, just the one, folded up on itself."
And the bag goes through without further ado.
I'm thinking that seeing an object you can't identify is probably reasonable cause for a look-see in the bag; instead, the guy just trusts that what I'm telling him is true. Sigh.
That like any officer has to deal with, is reading how you react, you showed no signs of nervousness, and probably could care less if he looked, he saw that..
Now tell me a military trained terrorist couldn't fake that?
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if they want to get things threw, they will!
billvon 2,433
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>... and the problem with just going through the body scanner is?
Some use millimeter waves and do not do any damage; some use xrays and expose you to a measurable amount of ionizing radiation.
Dangerous? Not that dangerous. But several people do not see the reason to take _any_ risks with their health for the sake of the TSA, and I can't say I blame them.
Some use millimeter waves and do not do any damage; some use xrays and expose you to a measurable amount of ionizing radiation.
Dangerous? Not that dangerous. But several people do not see the reason to take _any_ risks with their health for the sake of the TSA, and I can't say I blame them.
billvon 2,433
>>People didn't fight and died so we could be free only to give it up.
>When the people fear their government
Let's keep this away from politics, please.
>When the people fear their government
Let's keep this away from politics, please.
skyrider 0
Quote>... and the problem with just going through the body scanner is?
Some use millimeter waves and do not do any damage; some use xrays and expose you to a measurable amount of ionizing radiation.
Dangerous? Not that dangerous. But several people do not see the reason to take _any_ risks with their health for the sake of the TSA, and I can't say I blame them.
And many folks like myself have been exposed to far too much radiation already, and really don;t want to push that level higher , unless it is to actually help my body!
(yet, I'd still just go Xray)
Quote... and the problem with just going through the body scanner is?
The issue boils down to security vs. privacy/liberty.
A TSA official recently said as much.
I think a number of people feel that they are being asked to give up more and more privacy/liberty and they do not feel the amount of security provided justifies the lost privacy/liberty.
skyrider 0
Quote>>People didn't fight and died so we could be free only to give it up.
>When the people fear their government
Let's keep this away from politics, please.
several politcal comments in this trhead yet you pick???
skyrider 0
QuoteQuote>>People didn't fight and died so we could be free only to give it up.
>When the people fear their government
Let's keep this away from politics, please.
several politcal comments in this trhead yet you pick???![[:/]](//www.dropzone.com/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png "[:/]")
BUT, OK...not sure how, on thsi subject, but OK!
quade 3
Seriously. Is it too much to ask for you guys to make these in the correct forums to begin with?
Come on.
Come on.
quade -
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QuoteBut several people do not see the reason to take _any_ risks with their health for the sake of the TSA, and I can't say I blame them.
And I can't say as I disagree with that... then either... 1) Choose a different mode of transportation to get form point A to point B... or... 2) Deal with the "aggressive pat-down". One has a choice.
What I don't get is the whole, I wanna be safe flying, but I don't want to be inconvenienced or offended pissy whinny aspect of this whole "thing".
People these days are such a pain in the ass. On one hand, I agree that the TSA could re-look at their hiring standards, but they'd probably have to pay more to attract the correct folks. On the other hand, I can't imagine having a job where one has to deal with a never ending line of folks that at any moment any one of them could go from zero to jerk in a second over something stupid or a simple misunderstanding.
Ya know there is yet another choice to here... its called profiling...
skyrider 0
QuoteSeriously. Is it too much to ask for you guys to make these in the correct forums to begin with?
Come on.
Even "I" saw that from the OP...
But it was strange, I was transported...mid post, switched forums...that was kind-a kewl!
my bad. i just found the video kinda funny/sad. i should have figured it would go sideways, but since i don't play in speaker's corner, i never thought to put it here. it's here now, so i guess it's home.
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champu 1
Quote... and the problem with just going through the body scanner is?
I can see the body scanner gaining more support if it's actually used in a way that can speed things up and provide passengers with more convenience. Taking your jacket, belt, and shoes off and emptying your pockets is slow and annoying but when you're just going through a metal detector it makes sense due to the limitations of that machine's ability to resolve threats. And if you do set off a metal detector, getting patted down seems reasonable because everyone involved understands the limited information a metal detector provides.
The TSA is using backscatter machines like they are fancy metal detectors rather than being a whole new tool. Let me leave my jacket and shoes on and let me leave my things in my pockets. Use that big fancy machine you're making me walk through to resolve the difference between a cell phone and a weapon rather than patting me down just because you see "something."
billvon 2,433
>several politcal comments in this trhead yet you pick?
Yes. That's why I quoted two of the offending posts, rather than just one.
Yes. That's why I quoted two of the offending posts, rather than just one.
nigel99 150
QuoteSeriously. Is it too much to ask for you guys to make these in the correct forums to begin with?
Come on.
He was trying to "doge" security
. Better give him the full pat down.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.
They should really change the rules. If everyone could have knives and water bottles no one would attack anyone else because everyone else is also armed AND we could have wet tshirt contests instead of in-flight movies.
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