skipbelt 0 #101 September 13, 2010 i see your point belgian draft , agreed . i find myself being sucked into a vortex of ignorance bizzarro world where lucky is an economics expert. all attempts to educate in this bizzarro world just generate higher higher levels of ignorance! like reagan didn't fight and win the cold war , the falklands didn't happen , government tax policy didn't cause the great depression ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #102 September 13, 2010 Quote Quote Find where I wrote that I had a CJ degree and I'll ban myself for a week. Quote Yeah, right. OK, yea right, well do it or have teh character to admit you're once again wrong, a develpoing trend. Quote You build trailers Quote No, but I used to. Started when I was about 8. When you live in a house with no running water and a coal furnace for heat you usually start working at an early age. So do you still have to change the tires on your house? If you're so proud of what you, then tell us. You have yet to really what you do. Quote I went into the AF @ 17 and have worked acft all my life Quote I seriously doubt that given your ignorance on correct repair methods. Once again, wrong. Kiddo, I've worked acft for 25-30 years, do now and you wanna pretend I don't? I'm ok with that form of ignorance. It's not a huge leap to think of a person working on acft all their life, I work with several people who have. Remember, you're teh one who called the test off and quit. Quote Tell me of your amazing and vast experience. Quote The lives of millions of people every day depend upon the design and analysis work I have done on weldments in aircraft. Can you say the same? Yes, the work I have done in the military, on military acft in repair and manufacturing and in civilian work both manufacturing and civilian are still flying around today, some major repairs. Remember, I nver claimed to be a welder or an engineer, you have this god complex and feel you need to trump people even outside your carreer field. One day you'll realize that things are so specialized that you may know your field well, but know shit about other's fields. Look at lawyers or docs, outside their field they are pretty naive. I've known elect engineers who know nothing of my field, I certainly know nothing of theirs. You look really sad floundering around, pretending to know things in other fields. Even in sub fields in my career area, the 4 are: - A&P - Sheetmetal/structural - Avionics - the 4th new one spun out of sheetmetal is Composite. Formerly we have fiberglass and as Composites came in, they worked it, but now that it is so vast it is a sub-discipline of itt's own Anywway, Even with some systems that are under A&P I'm not super proficient. I know little of avionics and almost nothing of composites. Listen carefully kid, I KNOW NO ONE WHO HAS MASTERED ALL, A FEW GUYS WHO CAN DO 2 AND NO ONE WHO CAN DO 3 WELL. So yes, I am an acft sheetmetal guru, altho I'm a licensed AP/IA/FCC. I never took AP or FCC disciplines anywhere. With that said, I can pull gear, engines, etc, do it all the time where I'm at now. But a true hardcore AP can take a workcard and rig teh flight controls by lunch, it would take me a lot longer to be sure I followed each step along teh way. With sheetmetal I can follow repairs I've seen several times, lay them out and and not worry i didn't account for that gremlin or 10. AP's who can rig cables, as we say, give us job security with a drill and a rivet gun in tehir hands. But you see, you're a trailer engineer, a welding engineer of some sort and you helped a guy with his homebuilt acft for a week and you feel you are an acft genius. One of my better feats as reskinning a Piper Chieftain a few years back. I had to do it outside, we got a DER and I fabbed the 8 foot keel beams, aligned them, drilled/installed them and then fabbed the frames (bulkheads as they called them) that occurred every 12 inches; I fabbed the lower frames from "O" material, built forming blocks and then had them heat-treated/hardened. Anyway, then took a flat skin and massaged it to fit the belly with a slight compound contour. I have pics of all, I can post on photobucket and post if you'd like. The bitch was the acgt had been bellied in twice so I had really hammered material to work with. That was an advanced job, not something out of a box that you held a bucking bar for a week for a guy. The RV-6, 8, 10, etcs arelike that, you could build one and not be real proficient as an acft mech, as they are all pilot drilled s you cleco, ream holes up to size, debur, dimple and rivet. IOW's, I could teach an AP to do it. A person still wouldn't have cut their teeth on acft once tehy built an RV acft. My dream is an RV-8. So you see, it's sad watching you wish you were able to do acft sheetmetal work, realize you're over your head and now try to keep the myth alive. Hey, I'm gonna be good at what I've done all my life, you're not gonna be good at what you haven't done. I have no idea what you do, but I'm not good at it I'm sure; it has to do with welding, trailrs, etc, so I hve little experience of that. I took a 16 ft flatbed and encloed it, that makes me as much an expert on trailers as you helping a guy with his homebuilt for a week; diff is I can accept that and you cannot. Quote Give it up Mr. Self-Proclaimed Finance/Taxes/Economics/Aircraft/Politics wizard. No, I'd say I'm a wizard in acft sheetmetal, and educated/somewhat experienced in law, and fairly well read / can make good argumenst on political / economic history. You, OTOH, do something for 15 minutes and self-annoint as a seasoned pro. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #103 September 13, 2010 Expert in aircraft sheetmetal? I think not. You don't even know which skin alloys can be welded and which can't or how to weld the ones that can. A true expert would know these things. As for law....you don't know squat yet you talk a good game. Get a real law degree then maybe your opinion will carry some weight but until then it's just more hot air. Politics and economics is even worse for you than law. As a socialist your views are 180 degrees from objective. Hell, you don't even know what a neo-con is. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #104 September 13, 2010 Quote Hell, you don't even know what a neo-con is. LMAO I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #105 September 13, 2010 Quote Expert in aircraft sheetmetal? I think not. Says the trailer guy who has yet to establish his so-called credibility on the subject, just, "Oh, trust me, I have it." Quote You don't even know which skin alloys can be welded and which can't or how to weld the ones that can. A true expert would know these things. I don't know welding, all I said is that 6061 is the typical alloy, has the best weldability. NEWSFLASH: Few acft airframe parts are welded, most are riverted, skins are chem milled or bonded, then riveted on. I can't think of one primary structure airframe part that is welded. See, with welding aluminum, there is the risk of changing hardening characteristics, so everything is riveted, Huck bolted, Hi-loked, taper locked, etc. Let me ask this, where can you and can you not use cherrymax rivets. Quote As for law....you don't know squat yet you talk a good game. Get a real law degree then maybe your opinion will carry some weight but until then it's just more hot air. You have never shown where I have stated somethinbg wrong in accorance with the law and how it works, just rhetoric. Quote Politics and economics is even worse for you than law. If you are an engineer, doubtful based on your non-responses, but if you are then you know you mist provide stress anaalysis, that's the most arduous paart of your job so I understand. That is empirical proof that a structure or devise should sustain the stresses imposed upon it. Same goes here, you have yet to prove up your claims on any front. Quote As a socialist your views are 180 degrees from objective. Hell, you don't even know what a neo-con is. What do you find subjective about BLS, BEA, market data? The data is objective, you can say my interpretation is subjective but that isn;t addressing the data, that's running Beligian-style. ADDRESS THE DATA AND QUIT RUNNING. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #106 September 13, 2010 Quote Quote Hell, you don't even know what a neo-con is. LMAO LMAO http://images.paraorkut.com/img/funnypics/images/g/gay_cheerleader-12791.jpg Go Turtle go....LMAO Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #107 September 14, 2010 Quote Politics and economics is even worse for you than law. As a socialist your views are 180 degrees from objective. Hell, you don't even know what a neo-con is. +1 Btw still waiting for when I said anything about your knowledge or lack of economics...... Liberaltards just make stuff upKevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #108 September 14, 2010 Quote Says the trailer airframe/law/finance/politics guy who has yet to establish his so-called credibility on the any subject, just, "Oh, trust me, I have it." all I said is that 6061 is the typical alloy, has the best weldability Quote Wrong on both counts, Spanky. I can't think of one primary structure airframe part that is welded Quote Really? Better not tell that to anybody who works on tube-and-fabric airframes. "He, Buddy! Your Citabria fuse ain't welded...it's glued!" I can think of a LOT of primary airframe components that are welded. See, with welding aluminum, there is the risk of changing hardening characteristics*** Depends on how it is welded. Some alloys welded with some methods exhibit very little change in their characteristics. Why bother debating you? Regardless of whether you are right or wrong, the other guy is always a fascist neo-con. Of course, it doesn't matter if you have no idea what either of those is, it is just a way for you to attack another poster.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipbelt 0 #109 September 14, 2010 belgian draft would you mind terribly if i cheer for you and coat tail you , and otherwise indicate strong agreement with your opinion ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #110 September 14, 2010 Quote Quote Says the trailer airframe/law/finance/politics guy who has yet to establish his so-called credibility on the any subject, just, "Oh, trust me, I have it." all I said is that 6061 is the typical alloy, has the best weldability Quote ***Wrong on both counts, Spanky. In typical Belgian fashion, no addition of what aluminum alloy is. I can't think of one primary structure airframe part that is welded Quote ***Really? Better not tell that to anybody who works on tube-and-fabric airframes. "He, Buddy! Your Citabria fuse ain't welded...it's glued!" Uh yea, I'm talking aluminum alloy, not 4130 steel, my dad woked on a cub for a while, never finished it. Of course 4130 tubalur steel is welded, we were talking aluminum, einstein. Quote I can think of a LOT of primary airframe components that are welded. Whatevr you do, don't act as tho you have a clue and list them. See, with welding aluminum, there is the risk of changing hardening characteristics Quote ***Depends on how it is welded. Some alloys welded with some methods exhibit very little change in their characteristics. IOW's, I'm right. If it is welded, they then have to Xray it if it is primary, that's why it is advantageous to just machine it, fasten it, etc, Quote Why bother debating you? Regardless of whether you are right or wrong, the other guy is always a fascist neo-con. Of course, it doesn't matter if you have no idea what either of those is, it is just a way for you to attack another poster. You're the one who's non-responsive here, fill in your blanks above where you claimed to knwo but didn't finish. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #111 September 14, 2010 Quotebelgian draft would you mind terribly if i cheer for you and coat tail you , and otherwise indicate strong agreement with your opinion ! YAY, coattaling Belgianhttp://images.paraorkut.com/img/funnypics/images/g/gay_cheerleader-12791.jpg YAY go Belgian Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #112 September 14, 2010 Lucky, Don't be bitter just because someone you respect dissed you and would't be your cheerleader, or back you in any way . . . and publicly humiliated you. Your bitterness toward anyone who desn't agree with you is showing . . . in technicolor.Get over it. It will do you good. Here - this may help.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipbelt 0 #113 September 14, 2010 pick mesa lucky , you won't regret it ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #114 September 14, 2010 1100 and any in the 4000 series are pretty hard to screw up. Even for you! We were only talking about aluminum? Really? Where did we agree on that? Where did either of us even mention such a thing? Lighten up, Spanky. You've gotten your panties all in a wad because somebody disagreed with you and you can't stand it.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timmyfitz 0 #115 September 14, 2010 For the love of God and sunny Jesus, would you people quit replying to Lucky. If he has no one to argue with he may go away, freeing up bandwidth for intelligent conversation. (that goes for rhys as well ) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 200 #116 September 14, 2010 Wish I could be a mod... "let's take all of this talk about aluminum and welding over to the Welding forum."Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipbelt 0 #117 September 15, 2010 QuoteWish I could be a mod..."let's take all of this talk about aluminum and welding over to the Welding forum."weld it in there ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #118 September 15, 2010 Quotehttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100909/ap_on_bi_ge/us_obama Obama rolled out a trio of new plans to help spur job growth and invigorate the sluggish national economic recovery. They would: - expand and permanently extend a research and development tax credit that lapsed in 2009, allow businesses to write off 100 percent of their investments in equipment and plants through 2011 - and pump $50 billion into highway, rail, airport and other infrastructure projects. - Allow tax cuts to expire on the richest Americans So now the brainless drones will try to tell us how tax cuts stimulate the economy in spite of teh fact that everytime they lower them things go to hell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_the_United_States and they can't produce 1 major fed tax cut that has fixed a thing. Quote“We had 100 times as many people move out of poverty during those eight years [I was president] than the previous 12 years because we had an earned income tax credit, not because we had another traditional anti-poverty program hiring people,” he said. - Bill Clinton Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #119 September 15, 2010 QuoteQuote and they can't produce 1 major fed tax cut that has fixed a thing. Quote“We had 100 times as many people move out of poverty during those eight years [I was president] than the previous 12 years because we had an earned income tax credit, not because we had another traditional anti-poverty program hiring people,” he said. - Bill Clinton per Lucky, anything that happened during the Clinton Administration that contradicts his thesis doesn't count because of the Dot Com boom. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #120 September 15, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote and they can't produce 1 major fed tax cut that has fixed a thing. Quote“We had 100 times as many people move out of poverty during those eight years [I was president] than the previous 12 years because we had an earned income tax credit, not because we had another traditional anti-poverty program hiring people,” he said. - Bill Clinton per Lucky, anything that happened during the Clinton Administration that contradicts his thesis doesn't count because of the Dot Com boom. "Party of One for Lucky? Right this way sir" Hard to tell if he is the most pissed off by the left, right, or middle. Pretty soon, it will be by elevation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipbelt 0 #121 September 16, 2010 earned income tax credit ,how to pay NO federal income ( and sometimes state ) AND get a refund ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipbelt 0 #122 September 16, 2010 you want substantive ? here it comes ! do try to be tolerant !http://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2010/09/08/tax-cuts-increase-revenues-they-have-always-increased-revenues/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #123 September 16, 2010 Quote you want substantive ? here it comes ! do try to be tolerant ! http://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2010/09/08/tax-cuts-increase-revenues-they-have-always-increased-revenues/ Some of the buttons below are for clickifying.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipbelt 0 #124 September 16, 2010 thx turtlespeed ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #125 September 21, 2010 Quoteearned income tax credit , how to pay NO federal income ( and sometimes state ) AND get a refund ! Chump change by comparison. e.g. http://www.ctj.org/html/enron.htm Still abhorred? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
