How to Restore Honor

[rushmc 18]

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So, do you believe that Billy's statement, "Johnny threw the rock," when in fact Billy himself threw the rock, is just as much a lie as when Billy said, "Mom, I promise that I will get all A's this semester," when Billy wasn't sure what his grades would be?

Can you at least admit (if not in writing, then in your own mind) that if Obama lied about holding Washington's Inaugural Address in his own hands, that you would throw a royal shit fit?

They only shit fit being thrown here is by you dude

I dont throw shit fits about anything anymore
Does no good

So, to make you happy. Beck lied. (I guess cause I really dont know) If he admitted it then fine to.

But if people are going to get upset about lieing then they can at least be consistant across the board with their indignation now dont you think?

In the end, it only makes him look stupid. Nothing more nothing less

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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But if people are going to get upset about lieing then they can at least be consistant across the board with their indignation now dont you think?

Ironically, I totally agree. I think an excellent example of such a hypocrisy is that the very first response to this thread about Beck's lie was one about how Obama is liar. Not what I'd expect from people being consistent across the board.

- Dan G

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But if people are going to get upset about lieing then they can at least be consistant across the board with their indignation now dont you think?

Ironically, I totally agree. I think an excellent example of such a hypocrisy is that the very first response to this thread about Beck's lie was one about how Obama is liar. Not what I'd expect from people being consistent across the board.

Glenn Beck is a liar - he lied about holding the document. Impeach him.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[Southern_Man 0]

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Of course, taking care of our bodies in the first place does an even better job , but who wants to eat right and exercise

Wendy P.

Perhaps people would be more likely to do those things if they were more directly financially responsible for the routine costs brought on by not doing those things. Crazy thought, I know

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

[rushmc 18]

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But if people are going to get upset about lieing then they can at least be consistant across the board with their indignation now dont you think?

Ironically, I totally agree. I think an excellent example of such a hypocrisy is that the very first response to this thread about Beck's lie was one about how Obama is liar. Not what I'd expect from people being consistent across the board.

Those same people think Obama can do no wrong yet they attack non polictical entertainers

Give me a break dude

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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Those same people think Obama can do no wrong

Well, I doubt it's the same people, but I think I get your point. In fact, your point is the same as mine: neither side has a stranglehold on hypocrisy. The only way to change that is for individuals to stop being hypocrits themselves.

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non polictical entertainers

You really believe Beck is non-political? How about Palin? She's not an elected official anymore, should she be given a free pass on honesty? How about Limbaugh, Hannity, Olberman, Maddow, etc? They are all political, and they are trying to shape political debate. We have every right to call them on their bullshit just like we should call elected officials on their bullshit. Sometimes I think the commentators are even worse, because they can't be voted out of office.

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Give me a break dude

Right back at cha'

- Dan G

[rushmc 18]

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Those same people think Obama can do no wrong

Well, I doubt it's the same people, but I think I get your point. In fact, your point is the same as mine: neither side has a stranglehold on hypocrisy. The only way to change that is for individuals to stop being hypocrits themselves.

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non polictical entertainers

You really believe Beck is non-political? How about Palin? She's not an elected official anymore, should she be given a free pass on honesty? How about Limbaugh, Hannity, Olberman, Maddow, etc? They are all political, and they are trying to shape political debate. We have every right to call them on their bullshit just like we should call elected officials on their bullshit. Sometimes I think the commentators are even worse, because they can't be voted out of office.

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Give me a break dude

Right back at cha'

If these people are to be more attacked for lieing than a sitting president then we have big problems

But them, some people just need a reason because they gotta hate some body

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,471]

>yet they attack non polictical entertainers

Glenn Beck is as political as entertainers come.

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>yet they attack non polictical entertainers

Glenn Beck is as political as entertainers come.

I kind of laughed at that . . . But then it became obvious what he meant, Beck is not a politician.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[jakee 1,279]

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>yet they attack non polictical entertainers

Glenn Beck is as political as entertainers come.

I kind of laughed at that . . . But then it became obvious what he meant, Beck is not a politician.

Which makes it kinda wierd that you want to impeach him.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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>yet they attack non polictical entertainers

Glenn Beck is as political as entertainers come.

I kind of laughed at that . . . But then it became obvious what he meant, Beck is not a politician.

Which makes it kinda wierd that you want to impeach him.

Even wierder that you equate him to Obama.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[jakee 1,279]

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>yet they attack non polictical entertainers

Glenn Beck is as political as entertainers come.

I kind of laughed at that . . . But then it became obvious what he meant, Beck is not a politician.

Which makes it kinda wierd that you want to impeach him.

Even wierder that you equate him to Obama.

Say what?

When did I do that?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[DanG 1]

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If these people are to be more attacked for lieing than a sitting president then we have big problems

Hmm, never said that. Of course, now I'm supposed to rant about people putting words in my mouth.

Gotta love the SC.

- Dan G

[rushmc 18]

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If these people are to be more attacked for lieing than a sitting president then we have big problems

Hmm, never said that. Of course, now I'm supposed to rant about people putting words in my mouth.

Gotta love the SC.

Of course you did not say that
I did not say you did
But there seems to be a big disconect as to what is really important on this topic

IE: worry about Beck but Obama is ok

Beck lied
great

Obama lies
to pass laws for reasons other than he states

Which one would you fear more?



Got any idea?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jclalor 12]

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If these people are to be more attacked for lieing than a sitting president then we have big problems

Do you mean lies from a sitting presidents like this:


1) The Iraq War won’t cost a lot of money
2) We are prepared for every contingency
3) We won’t need a lot of troops
4) We will bring peace and freedom to Iraq
5) We will find WMDs
6) We will be welcomed as liberators
7) We have the best plan available for victory
8) The Iraq War will transform the Middle East
9) It will be easy
10) It won’t take long

[rushmc 18]

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If these people are to be more attacked for lieing than a sitting president then we have big problems

Do you mean lies from a sitting presidents like this:


1) The Iraq War won’t cost a lot of money
2) We are prepared for every contingency
3) We won’t need a lot of troops
4) We will bring peace and freedom to Iraq
5) We will find WMDs
6) We will be welcomed as liberators
7) We have the best plan available for victory
8) The Iraq War will transform the Middle East
9) It will be easy
10) It won’t take long

Seems that this list has a few "made up" ones of its own

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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Which one would you fear more?



Got any idea?

They should both be called to account. Feared? I don't really fear either one on a day to day basis.

- Dan G

[rushmc 18]

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Which one would you fear more?



Got any idea?

They should both be called to account. Feared? I don't really fear either one on a day to day basis.

Ok, let me restate
Which could have a effect on you life?

Beck or Obama?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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Which could have a effect on you life?

Beck or Obama?

Obama. Do I get a cookie?

Does that mean that we should look past Beck's lies?

- Dan G

[rushmc 18]

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Which could have a effect on you life?

Beck or Obama?

Obama. Do I get a cookie?

Does that mean that we should look past Beck's lies?

Nope
But his lies just make him look foolish
Obamas have a chance at being far more reaching

I wonder why so many are threatened by Beck
I dont get it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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I wonder why so many are threatened by Beck
I dont get it

People are threatened by him because for some reason his listeners believe the bullshit he says. And may presumably vote based on his lies, half-truths, and fabrications.

You may say the same for Obama, if you like.

- Dan G

[rushmc 18]

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I wonder why so many are threatened by Beck
I dont get it

You may say the same for Obama, if you like.

Already have

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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[billvon 2,471]

>Why doesn't anyone stand up against Sharpton when he lies?

Same reason you won't stand up to Beck (or Bush) I suppose.

[turtlespeed 212]

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>Why doesn't anyone stand up against Sharpton when he lies?

Same reason you won't stand up to Beck (or Bush) I suppose.

Don't actually read the threads much do you?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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