kallend 1,623 #26 April 21, 2010 QuoteMy comprehension is just fine. I disagree.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #27 April 21, 2010 Yeah I was born in 1969. I don't know everything about black history but I know enough to know that this is 2010. If you are still seeing signs like that in your neighborhood then perhaps you should ask someone to take them down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #28 April 21, 2010 what an excellent retort... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #29 April 21, 2010 QuoteQuoteSo you're complaining that they're doing illegal drugs, getting caught, and having to actually serve their time for breaking the law? Maybe they should just try not doing illegal drugs. In Illinois, the data show that white teenagers are slightly more likely to be involved with drugs than black, yet the black ones are some 19 times more likely to be locked up in the juvenile justice system when caught, while the white ones get probation or community service. Blacks are more likely to have prior arrests for non drug violations than whites and less likely to be in a two-parent home that can supervise their probation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #30 April 21, 2010 Quote Yeah I was born in 1969. I don't know everything about black history but I know enough to know that this is 2010. If you are still seeing signs like that in your neighborhood then perhaps you should ask someone to take them down. the fact that whites are just as criminal as blacks but far fewer of them go to prison - is a sign (it's just not spelled out in letters for you)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #31 April 21, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteSo you're complaining that they're doing illegal drugs, getting caught, and having to actually serve their time for breaking the law? Maybe they should just try not doing illegal drugs. In Illinois, the data show that white teenagers are slightly more likely to be involved with drugs than black, yet the black ones are some 19 times more likely to be locked up in the juvenile justice system when caught, while the white ones get probation or community service. Blacks are more likely to have prior arrests for non drug violations than whites and less likely to be in a two-parent home that can supervise their probation. There's always an apologist.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #32 April 21, 2010 Wow that one just went straight over your head didn't it? Don't you see that it doesn't matter if the person in the car was pink, purple...the pope...master chief ...whatever...YOU CANT SEE IN THE CAR...the windows are tinted...its about perceptions in public. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #33 April 21, 2010 Quote Quote Quote So you're complaining that they're doing illegal drugs, getting caught, and having to actually serve their time for breaking the law? Maybe they should just try not doing illegal drugs. In Illinois, the data show that white teenagers are slightly more likely to be involved with drugs than black, yet the black ones are some 19 times more likely to be locked up in the juvenile justice system when caught, while the white ones get probation or community service. Blacks are more likely to have prior arrests for non drug violations than whites and less likely to be in a two-parent home that can supervise their probation. your arguement leads back to slavery (generation by generation)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #34 April 21, 2010 I think you're generalizing way too much. Its sounds alot like you are saying ALL WHITES and ALL BLACKS are just as criminal...lets just go with some whites are just as criminal as some blacks....that's a little more PC. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #35 April 21, 2010 QuoteWow that one just went straight over your head didn't it? Don't you see that it doesn't matter if the person in the car was pink, purple...the pope...master chief ...whatever...YOU CANT SEE IN THE CAR...the windows are tinted...its about perceptions in public. so, you'd pull over the 'black looking' car? (which one is it)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #36 April 21, 2010 Quote I think you're generalizing way too much. Its sounds alot like you are saying ALL WHITES and ALL BLACKS are just as criminal...lets just go with some whites are just as criminal as some blacks....that's a little more PC. it's easier to understand if you think of it as whites being just as criminal as blacks stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #37 April 21, 2010 The color of the car has no impact...it can be anything it wants...but since you are insisting I stoop..so be it. If two hispanic men are on the street...one wearing pants three times larger that are hanging down to the bottom of his ass and wearing a shirt that says 'fuck the police' and the other is wearing a business suit...which one do you think the cop would mess with? Pretty soon I'm gonna need flash cards for you if you cant keep up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #38 April 21, 2010 QuoteThe color of the car has no impact...it can be anything it wants...but since you are insisting I stoop..so be it. If two hispanic men are on the street...one wearing pants three times larger that are hanging down to the bottom of his ass and wearing a shirt that says 'fuck the police' and the other is wearing a business suit...which one do you think the cop would mess with? Pretty soon I'm gonna need flash cards for you if you cant keep up. now, you're saying all hispanic men are criminals? (what colour is the cop)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #39 April 21, 2010 and the whole generalization thing...I know many...as in more than 20 black people that I have been roommates with, worked with, and been friends with...obviously I know more than that, but these 20 men and ladies are no more criminals than my police officer dad and mom. I prefer to use 'some' but that's just me....and try not to get offended because that is not my intent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #40 April 21, 2010 allrighty then...EVERYONE IS A CRIMINAL...including you..and me for that matter better now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #41 April 21, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSo you're complaining that they're doing illegal drugs, getting caught, and having to actually serve their time for breaking the law? Maybe they should just try not doing illegal drugs. In Illinois, the data show that white teenagers are slightly more likely to be involved with drugs than black, yet the black ones are some 19 times more likely to be locked up in the juvenile justice system when caught, while the white ones get probation or community service. Blacks are more likely to have prior arrests for non drug violations than whites and less likely to be in a two-parent home that can supervise their probation. There's always an apologist. Like the Bureau of Justice Statistics and Census Bureau? The 2000 Census reports that 69.13% of us are white and 12.06% of us are black. The 2007 National Crime and Victimization Survey statistics from the Bureau of Justice Statistics show perceived offender race for a variety of crimes. Violence: 58.8% white, 22.0% black Robbery: 31.1% white, 47.8% black Assault: 60.9% white, 20.3% black. Blacks are over-represented as criminals compared to their population. Household and Family Characteristics: March 1994 from the Census Bureau reports that 65% of African American family groups with children present had one parent, compared to 25% among whites. Blacks are less likely to have two parents at home. Those facts are black and white and it's not a big stretch to suggest they influence sentencing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #42 April 21, 2010 QuoteBlacks are less likely to have two parents at home. why is that?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KidWicked 0 #43 April 21, 2010 QuoteSo you're back to blaming it on someone else...I agree completely with Bolas. Obviously handouts aren't working. There needs to be a way to motivate the poor and homeless to educate themselves and find work so they aren't burdens on themselves and society. Why do you hate black people?Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #44 April 21, 2010 QuoteQuoteSo you're complaining that they're doing illegal drugs, getting caught, and having to actually serve their time for breaking the law? Maybe they should just try not doing illegal drugs. whites use drugs just as much as anyone else - why aren't they imprisoned at the same rate? So then, your real complaint is NOT that blacks are having to serve time for illegal drugs. It's actually that whites aren't serving enough time for doing the same thing. That's a bit different. The former idea was that some criminals should be let go because of the color of their skin, while the latter idea simply says that everyone should be punished the same for equal crimes, regardless of skin color. And you have to be careful with these comparisons. For example, when it comes to murder, blacks DO commit that crime at rates much higher than whites. Thus, there is nothing wrong with the fact that there are proportionately more blacks in prison for murder than whites. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lewmonst 0 #45 April 21, 2010 http://www.xkcd.com/552 Correlation does not imply causation.http://www.exitshot.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoogeyMan 0 #46 April 22, 2010 "it is somewhat disconcerting that theories of the mass-incarceration movement do not place race and racism at the center of their explanation for why the United States imprisons so many of its citizens." Total Krap........ Nonsense from a socialist Brit. There are exactly zero mass incarcerations in the USA. Every D has a full trial, with a jury who knows nothing about the D. Judges impose sentences under strict guidelines. Move out of your Gran's flat; fix your teeth, and get a job. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #47 April 22, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSo you're complaining that they're doing illegal drugs, getting caught, and having to actually serve their time for breaking the law? Maybe they should just try not doing illegal drugs. In Illinois, the data show that white teenagers are slightly more likely to be involved with drugs than black, yet the black ones are some 19 times more likely to be locked up in the juvenile justice system when caught, while the white ones get probation or community service. Blacks are more likely to have prior arrests for non drug violations than whites and less likely to be in a two-parent home that can supervise their probation. There's always an apologist. Like the Bureau of Justice Statistics and Census Bureau? The 2000 Census reports that 69.13% of us are white and 12.06% of us are black. The 2007 National Crime and Victimization Survey statistics from the Bureau of Justice Statistics show perceived offender race for a variety of crimes. Violence: 58.8% white, 22.0% black Robbery: 31.1% white, 47.8% black Assault: 60.9% white, 20.3% black. Blacks are over-represented as criminals compared to their population. . Indeed they are, and I haven't claimed otherwise. They are also over-represented in the prison population as compared with the proportion of crimes they commit. For black teenagers in Illinois, they are over-represented in incarceration by some 1900% (yes, ONE THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED percent) compared with white teenagers committing the same crimes.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #48 April 22, 2010 Quote back to slavery And you call others racist... Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #49 April 22, 2010 QuoteThis conclusion echoes the work of civil rights lawyer Michelle Alexander, who, in the introduction to her new book, The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness, admits that even she was once skeptical of how central racism was to the rise of the modern American prison system. "Quite belatedly, I came to see that mass incarceration in the United States had, in fact, emerged as a stunningly comprehensive and well-disguised system of racialized social control that functions in a manner strikingly similar to Jim Crow." Alexander argues that the U.S. prison system has so sweepingly and consistently targeted African American men that it has effectively created a new racial caste system. That most Americans would deny such a caste system exists speaks to how insidious it is. "Like an optical illusion," she writes, "one in which the embedded image is impossible to see until its outline is identified -- the new caste system lurks invisibly within the maze of rationalizations we have developed for persistent racial inequality." http://www.alternet.org/rights/146550/study_settles_it%3A_shocking_black_%26_latino_imprisonment_rates_the_result_of_racist%2C_punitive_impulse?page=entirestay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #50 April 22, 2010 Quote "it is somewhat disconcerting that theories of the mass-incarceration movement do not place race and racism at the center of their explanation for why the United States imprisons so many of its citizens." Total Krap........ Nonsense from a socialist Brit. There are exactly zero mass incarcerations in the USA. Every D has a full trial, with a jury who knows nothing about the D. Judges impose sentences under strict guidelines. Move out of your Gran's flat; fix your teeth, and get a job. can't handle the truth eh?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites