wayneflorida 0 #1 January 27, 2010 Renovation, Repair and Painting. This will really suck. New profits (lawsuits) for Lawyers and more kingdoms created in the EPA. http://www.epa.gov/lead/pubs/renovation.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #2 January 27, 2010 I read a story a couple of years ago about similar rules coming into effect in Canada. Several body shop owners were quoted as saying they were retiring rather than change as they believed the profit will be squeezed out of the industry due to higher operating costs. I haven't had any repair work done since then so I have no idea whether the prediction was accurate or not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base428 1 #3 January 27, 2010 Ridiculous. What's next.....people certified to dispose of pressure treated wood? Or is that already in the works?(c)2010 Vertical Visions. No unauthorized duplication permitted. <==For the media only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #4 January 27, 2010 New York State just mandated that all bars, etc., get new lotto machines. And, they require you to take a course before you get them. Pure money grab.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #5 January 27, 2010 >Several body shop owners were quoted as saying they were retiring >rather than change as they believed the profit will be squeezed out of the >industry due to higher operating costs. If that's the case, the ones remaining will make even more money, employ more people, buy more paint and filler etc. There were a lot of buggy manufacturers put out of business by one of the first environmental laws in the US banning horses from some streets in Manhattan due to the manure problem. But it was probably the best decision in the long run; manure was piled dozens of feet high along the sides of streets. (Which is one reason old Manhattan row houses have raised entryways.) Car manufacturers filled in the gap and created a whole new industry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wayneflorida 0 #6 January 27, 2010 Quote Ridiculous. What's next.....people certified to dispose of pressure treated wood? Or is that already in the works? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The treating companies pretty much voluntarily change the formula for pressure treated wood and removed the arsenic because the government was going to mandate it anyway. However, certain lumber (rough) and poles, for ground contact and marine structures still contain arsenic. I really miss the creosote days. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 340 #7 January 27, 2010 From the link you posted: All contractors should follow these three simple procedures: * Contain the work area. * Minimize dust. * Clean up thoroughly. Wow, isn't that outrageous! Fucking power-grabbing liberals! (/sarcasm) Are you really unaware of the health effects of lead exposure? Do you have any idea why leaded gas was banned throughout the world? Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 340 #8 January 27, 2010 The link in the OP says nothing about auto body shops. It refers to contractors who are doing renovations on houses constructed before 1978, when lead-based paint was widely used (it was taken off the market after 1978). The rules require contractors who are sanding lead-based paint to contain the dust and to clean up properly, so that workers and others are not exposed to hazardous levels of lead. I can't see how that is so unreasonable. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wayneflorida 0 #9 January 27, 2010 Quote>Several body shop owners were quoted as saying they were retiring >rather than change as they believed the profit will be squeezed out of the >industry due to higher operating costs. If that's the case, the ones remaining will make even more money, employ more people, buy more paint and filler etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't work that way in the construction industry. More rules, regulations, insurance requirements, etc. means my costs are higher and it is easier for a person to have a lower bid by not complying with the rules. Enforcement is poor and punishment is even worse. And when one gets run out of town another one pops up since anybody can buy a hammer and call themselves a contractor. I survive because I have been building a customer base for 38 years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,400 #10 January 27, 2010 >Doesn't work that way in the construction industry. Sounds like it does: > And when one gets run out of town another one pops up since anybody > can buy a hammer and call themselves a contractor. >More rules, regulations, insurance requirements, etc. >means my costs are higher and it is easier for a >person to have a lower bid by not complying with the rules. Sure. Heck, someone else could underbid you by defrauding the customer, or hiring illegal aliens, or doing a shoddy job. If you want to do that and take the risk, you can. That doesn't mean it's OK to hire illegal aliens or defraud the customer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wayneflorida 0 #11 January 28, 2010 QuoteFrom the link you posted: All contractors should follow these three simple procedures: * Contain the work area. * Minimize dust. * Clean up thoroughly. Wow, isn't that outrageous! Fucking power-grabbing liberals! (/sarcasm) Are you really unaware of the health effects of lead exposure? Do you have any idea why leaded gas was banned throughout the world? Don >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Simple procedures but not simple application. Many people have to comply other than contractors. You forgot the paper work. Before the job and after. Didn't say anything about liberals. I know about lead exposure hazards. It will cost me about $300.00 for the certification class plus travel expenses, and another $300 to receive certification from the EPA. There would be more compliance I believe if the government pick up the tab. Less people will comply because of the cost. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
billvon 2,400 #10 January 27, 2010 >Doesn't work that way in the construction industry. Sounds like it does: > And when one gets run out of town another one pops up since anybody > can buy a hammer and call themselves a contractor. >More rules, regulations, insurance requirements, etc. >means my costs are higher and it is easier for a >person to have a lower bid by not complying with the rules. Sure. Heck, someone else could underbid you by defrauding the customer, or hiring illegal aliens, or doing a shoddy job. If you want to do that and take the risk, you can. That doesn't mean it's OK to hire illegal aliens or defraud the customer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wayneflorida 0 #11 January 28, 2010 QuoteFrom the link you posted: All contractors should follow these three simple procedures: * Contain the work area. * Minimize dust. * Clean up thoroughly. Wow, isn't that outrageous! Fucking power-grabbing liberals! (/sarcasm) Are you really unaware of the health effects of lead exposure? Do you have any idea why leaded gas was banned throughout the world? Don >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Simple procedures but not simple application. Many people have to comply other than contractors. You forgot the paper work. Before the job and after. Didn't say anything about liberals. I know about lead exposure hazards. It will cost me about $300.00 for the certification class plus travel expenses, and another $300 to receive certification from the EPA. There would be more compliance I believe if the government pick up the tab. Less people will comply because of the cost. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites