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If the post commander had tracked the guy down and decided to do nothing (not even notify the police to the arson), would it still be vigilantism?



Depends on what actions he takes to track the guy down. In a lot of states it might violate stalking laws. For instance, somebody way earlier floated the idea that maybe the VFW guy took down the license plate number and tracked him down using that. I don't know anything about NY laws regarding that type of action, but in California a person is not allowed to do that simply by calling up the DMV. It might be possible to hire a licensed private detective to do it, but I think a lot of people make false statements to the DMV to try to get around it; for instance, lie about a hit and run.
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I defer back to my previous post where I stated that had a law been broken that the authorities would have acted accordingly against the VFW Commander. Since that has not happened, logic dictates that the VFW Commander did not break the law.



That's not a logical conclusion.

BTW, did you learn what circular logic means, yet? ;)


The newspaper reports said that the police were very aware of this.

Logical conclusions and fallacies of argument are philosophical and academically sterile positions used for purposes of arguments and debates happening on paper and role-playing scenarios and theories. They do not apply to real life applications. We are not arguing a paper or a theory here; we are arguing a true event.
When arguing across these planes, these fallacies cannot be used to discount an argument. What happened happened and no law was broken. No amount of claims of fallacies on your side will ever be applicable.
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What happened happened and no law was broken. No amount of claims of fallacies on your side will ever be applicable.



Are you saying that you've never seen the police turn a blind eye to a crime? Really? I've seen it many times. To conclude that no law was broken because the police did nothing is not just faulty logic; it's naïve.
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To conclude that no law was broken because the police did nothing is not just faulty logic; it's naïve.



To conclude that the police tuned a blind eye is faulty logic. It appeals to your argument, not known facts.
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So, you really do believe that if a rape victim doesn't press charges no rape was committed?



nope. Can you really tell me exactly, footstep for footstep how the two parties talked, the way they talked, the medium they used to talk, the way they came to the concusion, who was present during that time and the actual transcripts of the communication?
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You both say something illegal happened. It is up to you guys to give some sort of evidence that it happened, not me.
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To conclude that no law was broken because the police did nothing is not just faulty logic; it's naïve.



To conclude that the police tuned a blind eye is faulty logic. It appeals to your argument, not known facts.



I assumed nothing; you did. I simply called you on it.
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You both say something illegal happened. It is up to you guys to give some sort of evidence that it happened, not me.



I said the commander exercised vigilantism. I also said that I am not aware if there are laws against vigilantism in that particular jurisdiction. In other words (to make it easy for you to comprehend), I didn't accuse the post commander of committing a crime. I said he showed a lack of respect for the rule of law (and the Constitution, since he said was avenging flag burning aspect instead of the vandalism aspect). I've offered sufficient support for that claim.
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It's disappointing to see that the VFW post commander has so little respect for the rule of law and the Constitution that he once swore to defend that he would act as a vigilante



You assumed first. vitilantism is a crime.

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To disgrace the American flag, we can't tolerate that," it shows that he places higher priority on a symbol than he does the first amendment.



That's a big assumption. You don't know the guy.

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Vigilantes tend to be cowards, IMO.



VERY wrong assumption here. . .

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He wanted vengeance, not justice.



Putting words in the Post commander's mouth. Assumption.


ect. ect.

Lots of assumptions on your part here. You started the assumption game. We can react with assumption games because our position was initally strong and didn't bear the requirement of backing it up since we didn't make a claim against it.
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So why can't I get a fully armed apache helicopter ***

cuz you havent filled out the correct form FA-012.12ZS7

once you have fully filled this out and it has been processed your pre-approved loan for 42 million will be accepted.

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PS: at least you dont want one of those piece of shit blackhawks... have a great day :)

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You just don't get it, so lets just accept that and move along.
BTW I would not go into a VFW and try to convince them of your viewpoint.
You would not receive a warm welcome.



Which is completely irrelevant as far as the law is concerned.


Yep never mind common sense and self preservation.:S

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vitilantism [sic] is a crime.



In that jurisdiction, it might be. Since I don't know what the laws are in that jurisdiction, I choose not to make that assumption. You can if you wish.

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To disgrace the American flag, we can't tolerate that," it shows that he places higher priority on a symbol than he does the first amendment.



That's a big assumption. You don't know the guy.



You're right I don't know the guy. I stand by my statement, nonetheless.

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Vigilantes tend to be cowards, IMO.



VERY wrong assumption here. . .



10/10 irony score for you.

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He wanted vengeance, not justice.



Putting words in the Post commander's mouth. Assumption.



If he wanted justice, he would have utilized the justice system. It's not like he was trying to keep the incident a secret. If he wanted compensation, he would have sought restitution via money or labor. He didn't seek these things. He stated he couldn't tolerate someone burning the flag. He sought vengeance for that action.

Nonetheless, if you have an alternate reasonable explanation to explain everything, I'm all ears. Why do you think he did it?
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HAHA!! Classic!

I rest my case, you both proved my point me wrong. Have a good evening everyone.



You too. (And, you're welcome for the correction.)



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HAHA!! Classic!

I rest my case, you both proved my point me wrong. Have a good evening everyone.



You too. (And, you're welcome for the correction.)



:)


I really don't care. I just find it humorous that you've continually ignored every point made counter to your argument and then used illogical arguments and put words in my mouth (and others'), only to finally claim that you proved your point. You "proved" nothing, except that you couldn't (for whatever reason) argue your position on its merits.
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Little did I know that when I swiped that candy bar from the grocery store when I was four that I was the victim of vigilantism! I should have demanded my right to a trial by a jury of my peers, yet the lynch mob (store employees) tracked me down (a lady there was friends with my mom), took justice into their own hands, and said an apology would do. Fiends! Stalkers! Vigilantes!
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Little did I know that when I swiped that candy bar from the grocery store when I was four that I was the victim of vigilantism! I should have demanded my right to a trial by a jury of my peers, yet the lynch mob (store employees) tracked me down (a lady there was friends with my mom), took justice into their own hands, and said an apology would do. Fiends! Stalkers! Vigilantes!



If that were anything like the situation being discussed, it would be relevant. :D
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Nonetheless, if you have an alternate reasonable explanation to explain everything, I'm all ears. Why do you think he did it?



Don't need to have an alternate explaination. Sometimes the simplest explaination is best. It's there. You claim its vigilantism by definition of blacks law. I claim it isn't. No 8th Amendment rights have been denied. I claim a win/win scenario happened here.
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