cliffwhite 0 #26 September 15, 2009 Quote>Well Bill , if contactors' fees are not subject to withholding, and illegal >and alien contractors are being paid for jobs , how does your plan thwart >them? That's the point. It does not. They can still work in the US. They just can't get all their wages. Bill, contractors(legal or otherwise) don't get "wages", they collect *fees*which are not subject to withholdings. So how does your plan address the problem(?) of illegal alien contractors and their crews of illegals? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,450 #27 September 15, 2009 >they collect *fees*which are not subject to withholdings. Right. I am suggesting changing that law such that any employee/hired worker/contractor who works for another contractor IS subject to withholding if they cannot prove citizenship. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #28 September 15, 2009 QuoteHere's the solution to the problem of illegal immigrants - stop the socialism! It doesn't mean there will not be undocumented workers. The WOP and Micks of the 1800s were frequently without papers. They just showed up. The problems they faced were racial. Immigrants will still face that. But they won't be blamed for hitching a ride on the gravy train if there is no gravy train. The problem is not illegal immigration. The problem is socialism. Yes and then there is that! So tell me ,Lawrocket.., with and end to this "socialism" and required medical attention in emergency rooms and such, how will it benefit the nation as a whole when illegals are walking around hackingup TB infected flem on all who pass by? How will it benefit you if poor natural born citizens who can't afford health care send their sick kids to school to spew their germs over the rest of the kids? Socialism isn't a bad thing in every respect and true communism is possibly utopia if you consider it. Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #29 September 15, 2009 QuoteIf the only complaints were "illegals are taking public money!" I would agree. But the other complaints are that "illegals are taking my job!" and "illegals are here ILLEGALLY and making me have to learn Spanish!" and those are not amenable to changing their benefits. "Hey, bro. I know they are taking your job. How about doing you job better? Or how about opening a business and hiring them to be cheaper labor. "And about learning Spanish? Either you can learn it or not. You will miss opportunities if you don't but it's your choice." My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mpohl 1 #30 September 15, 2009 Hows about just invading everything south of the border to, let's say, including Panama. Next, we declare them American territories and voila: at least, half of the illegal immigration has been stopped. Let's not even talk about the anticipated decline in cross-border drug trafficking once MX has been declared a territory/ state. What y'all think? Quote I'd like to start up a thought exercise. Because there are, in fact, a ton of illegal immigrants from a number of countries (mostly Central America). However, so many of the solutions proposed seem to have downsides that more than counter their upsides. However, if by talking about ideas and their consequences, we might just come up with some that have some potential; i.e. some thinking has been done about the consequences, and they can be proposed to our various congresscritters, with the consequences identified. That gives credibility. Now -- have others done this? Sure. But, ya know -- thinking about a problem is rarely wasted time. I realize that there is no such thing as thread rules, but I'd really, really like people to: - propose things that they think have a potential of working (i.e. not stuff like "shoot them all" or "it doesn't matter") - be willing to critique stuff with some honesty and a little politeness. If something is proposed sincerely, then it should be discussed in the same way. Yeah, it'll probably descend into chaos, but if we could wait until page 2 for that to happen it'd be great Wendy P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,450 #31 September 15, 2009 >"Hey, bro. I know they are taking your job. How about doing you job >better? Or how about opening a business and hiring them to be cheaper >labor. And about learning Spanish? Either you can learn it or not. You >will miss opportunities if you don't but it's your choice." You are welcome to try that line; in my experience, it doesn't work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #32 September 15, 2009 Quote>they collect *fees*which are not subject to withholdings. Right. I am suggesting changing that law such that any employee/hired worker/contractor who works for another contractor IS subject to withholding if they cannot prove citizenship. But what if they are working for a private homeowner as so many of them do in the landscaping and construction trades? What if they work for an unscrupulous subcontractor to a contractor as many of them now do? Bottom line is I don't think you have a grasp on the reality of the situation. I see it everyday and I don't believe new legislation will change much. YOMV Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #33 September 15, 2009 Quote Hows about just invading everything south of the border to, let's say, including Panama. Next, we declare them American territories and voila: Quote No need to invade Mathiass, Have you heard of the North American Union and the Amero? Seems that's the plan and why not? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #34 September 15, 2009 Quote So tell me ,Lawrocket.., with and end to this "socialism" and required medical attention in emergency rooms and such, how will it benefit the nation as a whole when illegals are walking around hackingup TB infected flem on all who pass by? Perhaps much like it ran prior to 1986. Yes, it's been less than 25 years since ER's were mandated to treat everybody. I'd suggest putting you on chemo right now. If you stay on it till you die you won't get cancer. Which is basically what the government did. [Reply]How will it benefit you if poor natural born citizens who can't afford health care send their sick kids to school to spew their germs over the rest of the kids? Here's how you deal with it. Sick kids get sent home! If my kid gets sick, I deal with my sick kid. I'll let you take care of yours. And kids in disease-vector heaven (school) build up resistance so that they are not hammered with varicella when they are 25. Hmm. The way things were done. [Reply] Socialism isn't a bad thing in every respect and true communism is possibly utopia if you consider it. Yes. And prisons are lovely places where people are cared for. No, socialism isn't all bad. It's like a new strain of virulent flu. It can definitely lower demand for durable goods, making washing machines less expensive in the short run amd far less demand for food. Everything has its good points when viewed in a sufficiently skewed fashion. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #34 September 15, 2009 Quote So tell me ,Lawrocket.., with and end to this "socialism" and required medical attention in emergency rooms and such, how will it benefit the nation as a whole when illegals are walking around hackingup TB infected flem on all who pass by? Perhaps much like it ran prior to 1986. Yes, it's been less than 25 years since ER's were mandated to treat everybody. I'd suggest putting you on chemo right now. If you stay on it till you die you won't get cancer. Which is basically what the government did. [Reply]How will it benefit you if poor natural born citizens who can't afford health care send their sick kids to school to spew their germs over the rest of the kids? Here's how you deal with it. Sick kids get sent home! If my kid gets sick, I deal with my sick kid. I'll let you take care of yours. And kids in disease-vector heaven (school) build up resistance so that they are not hammered with varicella when they are 25. Hmm. The way things were done. [Reply] Socialism isn't a bad thing in every respect and true communism is possibly utopia if you consider it. Yes. And prisons are lovely places where people are cared for. No, socialism isn't all bad. It's like a new strain of virulent flu. It can definitely lower demand for durable goods, making washing machines less expensive in the short run amd far less demand for food. Everything has its good points when viewed in a sufficiently skewed fashion. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #35 September 15, 2009 . Yes. And prisons are lovely places where people are cared for. Quote And why are our prisons such bad places? Why do we allow rape and assult in our govenment institutions? If we can't effectively guarantee these involuntary wards of the state safe haven, do we as a people have a right to incarcerate? Are we all guilty of accesory to rape and assualt? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dks13827 3 #36 September 15, 2009 post volunteers along the border.. problem solved immediately............ no cost, either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #37 September 15, 2009 Quote post volunteers along the border.. problem solved immediately............ no cost, either. I think that's been tried my friend. I look around and don't think it worked too well. Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dsandreas 0 #38 September 15, 2009 Quote I don't think illegal immigrants are the core of the problem. This situations is actually a perfect example of why illegal immigration is seen as a problem. __________________________________________________ Illegal unskilled immigrants drive down the wages for blue collar workers. Construction, meat packing, and landscaping are three prime examples. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #39 September 15, 2009 QuoteQuote Illegal unskilled immigrants drive down the wages for blue collar workers. Construction, meat packing, and landscaping are three prime examples. dsandreas, If the same people came in legaly ,how would they impact wages in the industries you mention? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dsandreas 0 #40 September 15, 2009 I have traveled outside the country extensively and lived in Europe and Asia. No other country allows millions of unskilled workers to enter their country illegally or legally if they can stop it. If you expect to enter most countries for more than 30 days you will need a work permit/job or to demonstrate financial status that you will not become a burden of the State. BTW...you won't become a citizen in many countries no matter how long you live there and will never have the right to vote. Quote Illegal unskilled immigrants drive down the wages for blue collar workers. Construction, meat packing, and landscaping are three prime examples. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- dsandreas, If the same people came in legaly ,how would they impact wages in the industries you mention? Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #41 September 15, 2009 QuoteI have traveled outside the country extensively and lived in Europe and Asia. No other country allows millions of unskilled workers to enter their country illegally or legally if they can stop it. If you expect to enter most countries for more than 30 days you will need a work permit/job or to demonstrate financial status that you will not become a burden of the State. Quote They don't allow them to enter legaly? Is that what you said? Well no you said "illegally or legally" So no other country allows workers to enter "legally" (we can forget the "or"). Hey, dsandras, do you believe that the capitalistic system is the best economic system or would you prefer socialism or communism or perhaps something else? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dsandreas 0 #42 September 15, 2009 Cliff...I said millions. If you are a Indonesian maid and you want to go to HK or Taiwan ...some agency can possibly get you a job there. However, you will not cross the border illegally nor will you enter legally and over-stay your visa. Capitalism is not perfect nor fair...the only thing worse is everything else. Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have traveled outside the country extensively and lived in Europe and Asia. No other country allows millions of unskilled workers to enter their country illegally or legally if they can stop it. If you expect to enter most countries for more than 30 days you will need a work permit/job or to demonstrate financial status that you will not become a burden of the State. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They don't allow them to enter legaly? Is that what you said? Well no you said "illegally or legally" So no other country allows workers to enter "legally" (we can forget the "or"). Hey, dsandras, do you believe that the capitalistic system is the best economic system or would you prefer socialism or communism or perhaps something else? Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #43 September 15, 2009 Capitalism is not perfect nor fair...the only thing worse is everything else. Quote Have you tried true communism? In theory it is ,IMO, a better system. YOMV Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dsandreas 0 #44 September 15, 2009 Take a trip to Phnom Penh and mention that opinion.... Quote Capitalism is not perfect nor fair...the only thing worse is everything else. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Have you tried true communism? In theory it is ,IMO, a better system. YOMV Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #45 September 15, 2009 Quote Hows about just invading everything south of the border to, let's say, including Panama. Next, we declare them American territories and voila: at least, half of the illegal immigration has been stopped. Let's not even talk about the anticipated decline in cross-border drug trafficking once MX has been declared a territory/ state. What y'all think? Answer: The United States Government would run out of paper and ink for their entitlements and food stamps. PS: Give Puerto Rico their independence.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dsandreas 0 #46 September 15, 2009 "Immigration Raids Yield Jobs for Legal Workers; Americans fill void, even help raise wages. http://www.usatoday.com/money/workplace/2009-09-13-plants_N.htm I rest my case..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #47 September 15, 2009 QuoteTake a trip to Phnom Penh and mention that opinion....Quote No ,dsandreas, I said "true communism". Do you know the difference betweenthat an Cambodias' form of government? Blues,2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dsandreas 0 #48 September 15, 2009 I assume you are suggesting it (true communism) has never existed? No free people crave being told what to do by elitist, power hungry leaders. Quote In Reply To ----------------------------------------------------------- Take a trip to Phnom Penh and mention that opinion.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No ,dsandreas, I said "true communism". Do you know the difference betweenthat an Cambodias' form of government? Blues, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #49 September 15, 2009 QuoteI assume you are suggesting it (true communism) has never existed? No free people crave being told what to do by elitist, power hungry leaders. Quote Certainly not in our surface memory. Yes ,I believe we all have a memory of a time and it will come around to be again. And we will be truly free people and there will be no "elitist, power hungry leaders." Things are going to be worse but then they will become so much better. In the end good will conquer evil and the Truth will set us Free Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #50 September 15, 2009 The Puerto Ricans I know would rather have full statehood. They are proud and decent people and understand that the value of being an American is quite desirable. Not have to defend themselves from the local Banana Republics and their Dictators is nice as well. They get a good amount of their trade from dealing with CONUS and that does not even count the tourism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing × Sign In Sign Up Forums Dropzones Classifieds Gear Indoor Articles Photos Videos Calendar Stolen Fatalities Leaderboard Activity Back Activity All Activity My Activity Streams Unread Content Content I Started
cliffwhite 0 #39 September 15, 2009 QuoteQuote Illegal unskilled immigrants drive down the wages for blue collar workers. Construction, meat packing, and landscaping are three prime examples. dsandreas, If the same people came in legaly ,how would they impact wages in the industries you mention? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dsandreas 0 #40 September 15, 2009 I have traveled outside the country extensively and lived in Europe and Asia. No other country allows millions of unskilled workers to enter their country illegally or legally if they can stop it. If you expect to enter most countries for more than 30 days you will need a work permit/job or to demonstrate financial status that you will not become a burden of the State. BTW...you won't become a citizen in many countries no matter how long you live there and will never have the right to vote. Quote Illegal unskilled immigrants drive down the wages for blue collar workers. Construction, meat packing, and landscaping are three prime examples. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- dsandreas, If the same people came in legaly ,how would they impact wages in the industries you mention? Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #41 September 15, 2009 QuoteI have traveled outside the country extensively and lived in Europe and Asia. No other country allows millions of unskilled workers to enter their country illegally or legally if they can stop it. If you expect to enter most countries for more than 30 days you will need a work permit/job or to demonstrate financial status that you will not become a burden of the State. Quote They don't allow them to enter legaly? Is that what you said? Well no you said "illegally or legally" So no other country allows workers to enter "legally" (we can forget the "or"). Hey, dsandras, do you believe that the capitalistic system is the best economic system or would you prefer socialism or communism or perhaps something else? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dsandreas 0 #42 September 15, 2009 Cliff...I said millions. If you are a Indonesian maid and you want to go to HK or Taiwan ...some agency can possibly get you a job there. However, you will not cross the border illegally nor will you enter legally and over-stay your visa. Capitalism is not perfect nor fair...the only thing worse is everything else. Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have traveled outside the country extensively and lived in Europe and Asia. No other country allows millions of unskilled workers to enter their country illegally or legally if they can stop it. If you expect to enter most countries for more than 30 days you will need a work permit/job or to demonstrate financial status that you will not become a burden of the State. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They don't allow them to enter legaly? Is that what you said? Well no you said "illegally or legally" So no other country allows workers to enter "legally" (we can forget the "or"). Hey, dsandras, do you believe that the capitalistic system is the best economic system or would you prefer socialism or communism or perhaps something else? Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #43 September 15, 2009 Capitalism is not perfect nor fair...the only thing worse is everything else. Quote Have you tried true communism? In theory it is ,IMO, a better system. YOMV Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dsandreas 0 #44 September 15, 2009 Take a trip to Phnom Penh and mention that opinion.... Quote Capitalism is not perfect nor fair...the only thing worse is everything else. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Have you tried true communism? In theory it is ,IMO, a better system. YOMV Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #45 September 15, 2009 Quote Hows about just invading everything south of the border to, let's say, including Panama. Next, we declare them American territories and voila: at least, half of the illegal immigration has been stopped. Let's not even talk about the anticipated decline in cross-border drug trafficking once MX has been declared a territory/ state. What y'all think? Answer: The United States Government would run out of paper and ink for their entitlements and food stamps. PS: Give Puerto Rico their independence.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dsandreas 0 #46 September 15, 2009 "Immigration Raids Yield Jobs for Legal Workers; Americans fill void, even help raise wages. http://www.usatoday.com/money/workplace/2009-09-13-plants_N.htm I rest my case..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #47 September 15, 2009 QuoteTake a trip to Phnom Penh and mention that opinion....Quote No ,dsandreas, I said "true communism". Do you know the difference betweenthat an Cambodias' form of government? Blues,2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dsandreas 0 #48 September 15, 2009 I assume you are suggesting it (true communism) has never existed? No free people crave being told what to do by elitist, power hungry leaders. Quote In Reply To ----------------------------------------------------------- Take a trip to Phnom Penh and mention that opinion.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No ,dsandreas, I said "true communism". Do you know the difference betweenthat an Cambodias' form of government? Blues, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #49 September 15, 2009 QuoteI assume you are suggesting it (true communism) has never existed? No free people crave being told what to do by elitist, power hungry leaders. Quote Certainly not in our surface memory. Yes ,I believe we all have a memory of a time and it will come around to be again. And we will be truly free people and there will be no "elitist, power hungry leaders." Things are going to be worse but then they will become so much better. In the end good will conquer evil and the Truth will set us Free Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #50 September 15, 2009 The Puerto Ricans I know would rather have full statehood. They are proud and decent people and understand that the value of being an American is quite desirable. Not have to defend themselves from the local Banana Republics and their Dictators is nice as well. They get a good amount of their trade from dealing with CONUS and that does not even count the tourism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing × Sign In Sign Up Forums Dropzones Classifieds Gear Indoor Articles Photos Videos Calendar Stolen Fatalities Leaderboard Activity Back Activity All Activity My Activity Streams Unread Content Content I Started
dsandreas 0 #40 September 15, 2009 I have traveled outside the country extensively and lived in Europe and Asia. No other country allows millions of unskilled workers to enter their country illegally or legally if they can stop it. If you expect to enter most countries for more than 30 days you will need a work permit/job or to demonstrate financial status that you will not become a burden of the State. BTW...you won't become a citizen in many countries no matter how long you live there and will never have the right to vote. Quote Illegal unskilled immigrants drive down the wages for blue collar workers. Construction, meat packing, and landscaping are three prime examples. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- dsandreas, If the same people came in legaly ,how would they impact wages in the industries you mention? Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #41 September 15, 2009 QuoteI have traveled outside the country extensively and lived in Europe and Asia. No other country allows millions of unskilled workers to enter their country illegally or legally if they can stop it. If you expect to enter most countries for more than 30 days you will need a work permit/job or to demonstrate financial status that you will not become a burden of the State. Quote They don't allow them to enter legaly? Is that what you said? Well no you said "illegally or legally" So no other country allows workers to enter "legally" (we can forget the "or"). Hey, dsandras, do you believe that the capitalistic system is the best economic system or would you prefer socialism or communism or perhaps something else? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dsandreas 0 #42 September 15, 2009 Cliff...I said millions. If you are a Indonesian maid and you want to go to HK or Taiwan ...some agency can possibly get you a job there. However, you will not cross the border illegally nor will you enter legally and over-stay your visa. Capitalism is not perfect nor fair...the only thing worse is everything else. Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have traveled outside the country extensively and lived in Europe and Asia. No other country allows millions of unskilled workers to enter their country illegally or legally if they can stop it. If you expect to enter most countries for more than 30 days you will need a work permit/job or to demonstrate financial status that you will not become a burden of the State. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They don't allow them to enter legaly? Is that what you said? Well no you said "illegally or legally" So no other country allows workers to enter "legally" (we can forget the "or"). Hey, dsandras, do you believe that the capitalistic system is the best economic system or would you prefer socialism or communism or perhaps something else? Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #43 September 15, 2009 Capitalism is not perfect nor fair...the only thing worse is everything else. Quote Have you tried true communism? In theory it is ,IMO, a better system. YOMV Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dsandreas 0 #44 September 15, 2009 Take a trip to Phnom Penh and mention that opinion.... Quote Capitalism is not perfect nor fair...the only thing worse is everything else. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Have you tried true communism? In theory it is ,IMO, a better system. YOMV Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #45 September 15, 2009 Quote Hows about just invading everything south of the border to, let's say, including Panama. Next, we declare them American territories and voila: at least, half of the illegal immigration has been stopped. Let's not even talk about the anticipated decline in cross-border drug trafficking once MX has been declared a territory/ state. What y'all think? Answer: The United States Government would run out of paper and ink for their entitlements and food stamps. PS: Give Puerto Rico their independence.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dsandreas 0 #46 September 15, 2009 "Immigration Raids Yield Jobs for Legal Workers; Americans fill void, even help raise wages. http://www.usatoday.com/money/workplace/2009-09-13-plants_N.htm I rest my case..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #47 September 15, 2009 QuoteTake a trip to Phnom Penh and mention that opinion....Quote No ,dsandreas, I said "true communism". Do you know the difference betweenthat an Cambodias' form of government? Blues,2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dsandreas 0 #48 September 15, 2009 I assume you are suggesting it (true communism) has never existed? No free people crave being told what to do by elitist, power hungry leaders. Quote In Reply To ----------------------------------------------------------- Take a trip to Phnom Penh and mention that opinion.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No ,dsandreas, I said "true communism". Do you know the difference betweenthat an Cambodias' form of government? Blues, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #49 September 15, 2009 QuoteI assume you are suggesting it (true communism) has never existed? No free people crave being told what to do by elitist, power hungry leaders. Quote Certainly not in our surface memory. Yes ,I believe we all have a memory of a time and it will come around to be again. And we will be truly free people and there will be no "elitist, power hungry leaders." Things are going to be worse but then they will become so much better. In the end good will conquer evil and the Truth will set us Free Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #50 September 15, 2009 The Puerto Ricans I know would rather have full statehood. They are proud and decent people and understand that the value of being an American is quite desirable. Not have to defend themselves from the local Banana Republics and their Dictators is nice as well. They get a good amount of their trade from dealing with CONUS and that does not even count the tourism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing × Sign In Sign Up Forums Dropzones Classifieds Gear Indoor Articles Photos Videos Calendar Stolen Fatalities Leaderboard Activity Back Activity All Activity My Activity Streams Unread Content Content I Started
cliffwhite 0 #41 September 15, 2009 QuoteI have traveled outside the country extensively and lived in Europe and Asia. No other country allows millions of unskilled workers to enter their country illegally or legally if they can stop it. If you expect to enter most countries for more than 30 days you will need a work permit/job or to demonstrate financial status that you will not become a burden of the State. Quote They don't allow them to enter legaly? Is that what you said? Well no you said "illegally or legally" So no other country allows workers to enter "legally" (we can forget the "or"). Hey, dsandras, do you believe that the capitalistic system is the best economic system or would you prefer socialism or communism or perhaps something else? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dsandreas 0 #42 September 15, 2009 Cliff...I said millions. If you are a Indonesian maid and you want to go to HK or Taiwan ...some agency can possibly get you a job there. However, you will not cross the border illegally nor will you enter legally and over-stay your visa. Capitalism is not perfect nor fair...the only thing worse is everything else. Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have traveled outside the country extensively and lived in Europe and Asia. No other country allows millions of unskilled workers to enter their country illegally or legally if they can stop it. If you expect to enter most countries for more than 30 days you will need a work permit/job or to demonstrate financial status that you will not become a burden of the State. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They don't allow them to enter legaly? Is that what you said? Well no you said "illegally or legally" So no other country allows workers to enter "legally" (we can forget the "or"). Hey, dsandras, do you believe that the capitalistic system is the best economic system or would you prefer socialism or communism or perhaps something else? Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #43 September 15, 2009 Capitalism is not perfect nor fair...the only thing worse is everything else. Quote Have you tried true communism? In theory it is ,IMO, a better system. YOMV Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dsandreas 0 #44 September 15, 2009 Take a trip to Phnom Penh and mention that opinion.... Quote Capitalism is not perfect nor fair...the only thing worse is everything else. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Have you tried true communism? In theory it is ,IMO, a better system. YOMV Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #45 September 15, 2009 Quote Hows about just invading everything south of the border to, let's say, including Panama. Next, we declare them American territories and voila: at least, half of the illegal immigration has been stopped. Let's not even talk about the anticipated decline in cross-border drug trafficking once MX has been declared a territory/ state. What y'all think? Answer: The United States Government would run out of paper and ink for their entitlements and food stamps. PS: Give Puerto Rico their independence.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dsandreas 0 #46 September 15, 2009 "Immigration Raids Yield Jobs for Legal Workers; Americans fill void, even help raise wages. http://www.usatoday.com/money/workplace/2009-09-13-plants_N.htm I rest my case..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #47 September 15, 2009 QuoteTake a trip to Phnom Penh and mention that opinion....Quote No ,dsandreas, I said "true communism". Do you know the difference betweenthat an Cambodias' form of government? Blues,2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dsandreas 0 #48 September 15, 2009 I assume you are suggesting it (true communism) has never existed? No free people crave being told what to do by elitist, power hungry leaders. Quote In Reply To ----------------------------------------------------------- Take a trip to Phnom Penh and mention that opinion.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No ,dsandreas, I said "true communism". Do you know the difference betweenthat an Cambodias' form of government? Blues, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #49 September 15, 2009 QuoteI assume you are suggesting it (true communism) has never existed? No free people crave being told what to do by elitist, power hungry leaders. Quote Certainly not in our surface memory. Yes ,I believe we all have a memory of a time and it will come around to be again. And we will be truly free people and there will be no "elitist, power hungry leaders." Things are going to be worse but then they will become so much better. In the end good will conquer evil and the Truth will set us Free Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #50 September 15, 2009 The Puerto Ricans I know would rather have full statehood. They are proud and decent people and understand that the value of being an American is quite desirable. Not have to defend themselves from the local Banana Republics and their Dictators is nice as well. They get a good amount of their trade from dealing with CONUS and that does not even count the tourism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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dsandreas 0 #42 September 15, 2009 Cliff...I said millions. If you are a Indonesian maid and you want to go to HK or Taiwan ...some agency can possibly get you a job there. However, you will not cross the border illegally nor will you enter legally and over-stay your visa. Capitalism is not perfect nor fair...the only thing worse is everything else. Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have traveled outside the country extensively and lived in Europe and Asia. No other country allows millions of unskilled workers to enter their country illegally or legally if they can stop it. If you expect to enter most countries for more than 30 days you will need a work permit/job or to demonstrate financial status that you will not become a burden of the State. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They don't allow them to enter legaly? Is that what you said? Well no you said "illegally or legally" So no other country allows workers to enter "legally" (we can forget the "or"). Hey, dsandras, do you believe that the capitalistic system is the best economic system or would you prefer socialism or communism or perhaps something else? Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #43 September 15, 2009 Capitalism is not perfect nor fair...the only thing worse is everything else. Quote Have you tried true communism? In theory it is ,IMO, a better system. YOMV Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dsandreas 0 #44 September 15, 2009 Take a trip to Phnom Penh and mention that opinion.... Quote Capitalism is not perfect nor fair...the only thing worse is everything else. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Have you tried true communism? In theory it is ,IMO, a better system. YOMV Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #45 September 15, 2009 Quote Hows about just invading everything south of the border to, let's say, including Panama. Next, we declare them American territories and voila: at least, half of the illegal immigration has been stopped. Let's not even talk about the anticipated decline in cross-border drug trafficking once MX has been declared a territory/ state. What y'all think? Answer: The United States Government would run out of paper and ink for their entitlements and food stamps. PS: Give Puerto Rico their independence.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dsandreas 0 #46 September 15, 2009 "Immigration Raids Yield Jobs for Legal Workers; Americans fill void, even help raise wages. http://www.usatoday.com/money/workplace/2009-09-13-plants_N.htm I rest my case..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #47 September 15, 2009 QuoteTake a trip to Phnom Penh and mention that opinion....Quote No ,dsandreas, I said "true communism". Do you know the difference betweenthat an Cambodias' form of government? Blues,2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dsandreas 0 #48 September 15, 2009 I assume you are suggesting it (true communism) has never existed? No free people crave being told what to do by elitist, power hungry leaders. Quote In Reply To ----------------------------------------------------------- Take a trip to Phnom Penh and mention that opinion.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No ,dsandreas, I said "true communism". Do you know the difference betweenthat an Cambodias' form of government? Blues, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #49 September 15, 2009 QuoteI assume you are suggesting it (true communism) has never existed? No free people crave being told what to do by elitist, power hungry leaders. Quote Certainly not in our surface memory. Yes ,I believe we all have a memory of a time and it will come around to be again. And we will be truly free people and there will be no "elitist, power hungry leaders." Things are going to be worse but then they will become so much better. In the end good will conquer evil and the Truth will set us Free Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #50 September 15, 2009 The Puerto Ricans I know would rather have full statehood. They are proud and decent people and understand that the value of being an American is quite desirable. Not have to defend themselves from the local Banana Republics and their Dictators is nice as well. They get a good amount of their trade from dealing with CONUS and that does not even count the tourism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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cliffwhite 0 #43 September 15, 2009 Capitalism is not perfect nor fair...the only thing worse is everything else. Quote Have you tried true communism? In theory it is ,IMO, a better system. YOMV Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dsandreas 0 #44 September 15, 2009 Take a trip to Phnom Penh and mention that opinion.... Quote Capitalism is not perfect nor fair...the only thing worse is everything else. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Have you tried true communism? In theory it is ,IMO, a better system. YOMV Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #45 September 15, 2009 Quote Hows about just invading everything south of the border to, let's say, including Panama. Next, we declare them American territories and voila: at least, half of the illegal immigration has been stopped. Let's not even talk about the anticipated decline in cross-border drug trafficking once MX has been declared a territory/ state. What y'all think? Answer: The United States Government would run out of paper and ink for their entitlements and food stamps. PS: Give Puerto Rico their independence.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dsandreas 0 #46 September 15, 2009 "Immigration Raids Yield Jobs for Legal Workers; Americans fill void, even help raise wages. http://www.usatoday.com/money/workplace/2009-09-13-plants_N.htm I rest my case..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #47 September 15, 2009 QuoteTake a trip to Phnom Penh and mention that opinion....Quote No ,dsandreas, I said "true communism". Do you know the difference betweenthat an Cambodias' form of government? Blues,2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dsandreas 0 #48 September 15, 2009 I assume you are suggesting it (true communism) has never existed? No free people crave being told what to do by elitist, power hungry leaders. Quote In Reply To ----------------------------------------------------------- Take a trip to Phnom Penh and mention that opinion.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No ,dsandreas, I said "true communism". Do you know the difference betweenthat an Cambodias' form of government? Blues, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #49 September 15, 2009 QuoteI assume you are suggesting it (true communism) has never existed? No free people crave being told what to do by elitist, power hungry leaders. Quote Certainly not in our surface memory. Yes ,I believe we all have a memory of a time and it will come around to be again. And we will be truly free people and there will be no "elitist, power hungry leaders." Things are going to be worse but then they will become so much better. In the end good will conquer evil and the Truth will set us Free Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #50 September 15, 2009 The Puerto Ricans I know would rather have full statehood. They are proud and decent people and understand that the value of being an American is quite desirable. Not have to defend themselves from the local Banana Republics and their Dictators is nice as well. They get a good amount of their trade from dealing with CONUS and that does not even count the tourism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing × Sign In Sign Up Forums Dropzones Classifieds Gear Indoor Articles Photos Videos Calendar Stolen Fatalities Leaderboard Activity Back Activity All Activity My Activity Streams Unread Content Content I Started
dsandreas 0 #44 September 15, 2009 Take a trip to Phnom Penh and mention that opinion.... Quote Capitalism is not perfect nor fair...the only thing worse is everything else. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Have you tried true communism? In theory it is ,IMO, a better system. YOMV Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #45 September 15, 2009 Quote Hows about just invading everything south of the border to, let's say, including Panama. Next, we declare them American territories and voila: at least, half of the illegal immigration has been stopped. Let's not even talk about the anticipated decline in cross-border drug trafficking once MX has been declared a territory/ state. What y'all think? Answer: The United States Government would run out of paper and ink for their entitlements and food stamps. PS: Give Puerto Rico their independence.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dsandreas 0 #46 September 15, 2009 "Immigration Raids Yield Jobs for Legal Workers; Americans fill void, even help raise wages. http://www.usatoday.com/money/workplace/2009-09-13-plants_N.htm I rest my case..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #47 September 15, 2009 QuoteTake a trip to Phnom Penh and mention that opinion....Quote No ,dsandreas, I said "true communism". Do you know the difference betweenthat an Cambodias' form of government? Blues,2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dsandreas 0 #48 September 15, 2009 I assume you are suggesting it (true communism) has never existed? No free people crave being told what to do by elitist, power hungry leaders. Quote In Reply To ----------------------------------------------------------- Take a trip to Phnom Penh and mention that opinion.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No ,dsandreas, I said "true communism". Do you know the difference betweenthat an Cambodias' form of government? Blues, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #49 September 15, 2009 QuoteI assume you are suggesting it (true communism) has never existed? No free people crave being told what to do by elitist, power hungry leaders. Quote Certainly not in our surface memory. Yes ,I believe we all have a memory of a time and it will come around to be again. And we will be truly free people and there will be no "elitist, power hungry leaders." Things are going to be worse but then they will become so much better. In the end good will conquer evil and the Truth will set us Free Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #50 September 15, 2009 The Puerto Ricans I know would rather have full statehood. They are proud and decent people and understand that the value of being an American is quite desirable. Not have to defend themselves from the local Banana Republics and their Dictators is nice as well. They get a good amount of their trade from dealing with CONUS and that does not even count the tourism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing × Sign In Sign Up Forums Dropzones Classifieds Gear Indoor Articles Photos Videos Calendar Stolen Fatalities Leaderboard Activity Back Activity All Activity My Activity Streams Unread Content Content I Started
rickjump1 0 #45 September 15, 2009 Quote Hows about just invading everything south of the border to, let's say, including Panama. Next, we declare them American territories and voila: at least, half of the illegal immigration has been stopped. Let's not even talk about the anticipated decline in cross-border drug trafficking once MX has been declared a territory/ state. What y'all think? Answer: The United States Government would run out of paper and ink for their entitlements and food stamps. PS: Give Puerto Rico their independence.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dsandreas 0 #46 September 15, 2009 "Immigration Raids Yield Jobs for Legal Workers; Americans fill void, even help raise wages. http://www.usatoday.com/money/workplace/2009-09-13-plants_N.htm I rest my case..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #47 September 15, 2009 QuoteTake a trip to Phnom Penh and mention that opinion....Quote No ,dsandreas, I said "true communism". Do you know the difference betweenthat an Cambodias' form of government? Blues,2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dsandreas 0 #48 September 15, 2009 I assume you are suggesting it (true communism) has never existed? No free people crave being told what to do by elitist, power hungry leaders. Quote In Reply To ----------------------------------------------------------- Take a trip to Phnom Penh and mention that opinion.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No ,dsandreas, I said "true communism". Do you know the difference betweenthat an Cambodias' form of government? Blues, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #49 September 15, 2009 QuoteI assume you are suggesting it (true communism) has never existed? No free people crave being told what to do by elitist, power hungry leaders. Quote Certainly not in our surface memory. Yes ,I believe we all have a memory of a time and it will come around to be again. And we will be truly free people and there will be no "elitist, power hungry leaders." Things are going to be worse but then they will become so much better. In the end good will conquer evil and the Truth will set us Free Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #50 September 15, 2009 The Puerto Ricans I know would rather have full statehood. They are proud and decent people and understand that the value of being an American is quite desirable. Not have to defend themselves from the local Banana Republics and their Dictators is nice as well. They get a good amount of their trade from dealing with CONUS and that does not even count the tourism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing × Sign In Sign Up Forums Dropzones Classifieds Gear Indoor Articles Photos Videos Calendar Stolen Fatalities Leaderboard Activity Back Activity All Activity My Activity Streams Unread Content Content I Started
dsandreas 0 #46 September 15, 2009 "Immigration Raids Yield Jobs for Legal Workers; Americans fill void, even help raise wages. http://www.usatoday.com/money/workplace/2009-09-13-plants_N.htm I rest my case..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #47 September 15, 2009 QuoteTake a trip to Phnom Penh and mention that opinion....Quote No ,dsandreas, I said "true communism". Do you know the difference betweenthat an Cambodias' form of government? Blues,2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dsandreas 0 #48 September 15, 2009 I assume you are suggesting it (true communism) has never existed? No free people crave being told what to do by elitist, power hungry leaders. Quote In Reply To ----------------------------------------------------------- Take a trip to Phnom Penh and mention that opinion.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No ,dsandreas, I said "true communism". Do you know the difference betweenthat an Cambodias' form of government? Blues, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #49 September 15, 2009 QuoteI assume you are suggesting it (true communism) has never existed? No free people crave being told what to do by elitist, power hungry leaders. Quote Certainly not in our surface memory. Yes ,I believe we all have a memory of a time and it will come around to be again. And we will be truly free people and there will be no "elitist, power hungry leaders." Things are going to be worse but then they will become so much better. In the end good will conquer evil and the Truth will set us Free Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #50 September 15, 2009 The Puerto Ricans I know would rather have full statehood. They are proud and decent people and understand that the value of being an American is quite desirable. Not have to defend themselves from the local Banana Republics and their Dictators is nice as well. They get a good amount of their trade from dealing with CONUS and that does not even count the tourism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
dsandreas 0 #48 September 15, 2009 I assume you are suggesting it (true communism) has never existed? No free people crave being told what to do by elitist, power hungry leaders. Quote In Reply To ----------------------------------------------------------- Take a trip to Phnom Penh and mention that opinion.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No ,dsandreas, I said "true communism". Do you know the difference betweenthat an Cambodias' form of government? Blues, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #49 September 15, 2009 QuoteI assume you are suggesting it (true communism) has never existed? No free people crave being told what to do by elitist, power hungry leaders. Quote Certainly not in our surface memory. Yes ,I believe we all have a memory of a time and it will come around to be again. And we will be truly free people and there will be no "elitist, power hungry leaders." Things are going to be worse but then they will become so much better. In the end good will conquer evil and the Truth will set us Free Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #50 September 15, 2009 The Puerto Ricans I know would rather have full statehood. They are proud and decent people and understand that the value of being an American is quite desirable. Not have to defend themselves from the local Banana Republics and their Dictators is nice as well. They get a good amount of their trade from dealing with CONUS and that does not even count the tourism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
cliffwhite 0 #49 September 15, 2009 QuoteI assume you are suggesting it (true communism) has never existed? No free people crave being told what to do by elitist, power hungry leaders. Quote Certainly not in our surface memory. Yes ,I believe we all have a memory of a time and it will come around to be again. And we will be truly free people and there will be no "elitist, power hungry leaders." Things are going to be worse but then they will become so much better. In the end good will conquer evil and the Truth will set us Free Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #50 September 15, 2009 The Puerto Ricans I know would rather have full statehood. They are proud and decent people and understand that the value of being an American is quite desirable. Not have to defend themselves from the local Banana Republics and their Dictators is nice as well. They get a good amount of their trade from dealing with CONUS and that does not even count the tourism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
warpedskydiver 0 #50 September 15, 2009 The Puerto Ricans I know would rather have full statehood. They are proud and decent people and understand that the value of being an American is quite desirable. Not have to defend themselves from the local Banana Republics and their Dictators is nice as well. They get a good amount of their trade from dealing with CONUS and that does not even count the tourism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
