Crime rate dropping for the 3rd straight year in Canada

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Maybe you, as Americans, have come to think guns were essential to your safety.... Because you were told so by your father? Or your grand father? I dunno. But I just can't figure why the Americans feel so insecure in their daily lives....

Yves.

Please see my "preparation, not paranoia" post in the other gun thread.

Are you paranoid for having a reserve in your rig, or prepared in case you have a malfunction?

Are you paranoid for having a fire extinguisher in your kitchen, or prepared in case there is a small cooking fire?

Are you paranoid for having airbags or seatbelts in your car, or prepared in case you have an accident?

You could live in a bunker, yet, you'll find someone that will find a way to blow you up.

Yves.

Ok, and you would willingly put yourself at the mercy of that person, why?

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Maybe you, as Americans, have come to think guns were essential to your safety.... Because you were told so by your father? Or your grand father? I dunno. But I just can't figure why the Americans feel so insecure in their daily lives....

Yves.

Please see my "preparation, not paranoia" post in the other gun thread.

Are you paranoid for having a reserve in your rig, or prepared in case you have a malfunction?

Are you paranoid for having a fire extinguisher in your kitchen, or prepared in case there is a small cooking fire?

Are you paranoid for having airbags or seatbelts in your car, or prepared in case you have an accident?

You could live in a bunker, yet, you'll find someone that will find a way to blow you up.

Yves.

Ok, and you would willingly put yourself at the mercy of that person, why?

I try not to enter a fight with anyone in the first place. That's why. I have no ennemies.
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I try not to enter a fight with anyone in the first place. That's why. I have no ennemies.
Yves.

I was unaware that criminals were friends with the majority of their victims?

Regardless, we're straying a bit far afield, I think.

I'm please that crime has come down in your country - congrats!

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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I try not to enter a fight with anyone in the first place. That's why. I have no ennemies.
Yves.

I was unaware that criminals were friends with the majority of their victims?

You're trying to mix oil with water....

If your neighbour see you with a gun, he'll want a bigger one. That's how it works.


Yves.

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I try not to enter a fight with anyone in the first place. That's why. I have no ennemies.
Yves.

I was unaware that criminals were friends with the majority of their victims?

You're trying to mix oil with water....

If your neighbour see you with a gun, he'll want a bigger one. That's how it works.


Yves.

In my neighborhood / with my friends, it'd spark a "man, that's sweet, lemme show you my collection" conversation

Why are you so convinced that your neighbor would try to kill you, or fear being killed by you?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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I try not to enter a fight with anyone in the first place. That's why. I have no ennemies.
Yves.

I was unaware that criminals were friends with the majority of their victims?

You're trying to mix oil with water....

If your neighbour see you with a gun, he'll want a bigger one. That's how it works.


Yves.

In my neighborhood / with my friends, it'd spark a "man, that's sweet, lemme show you my collection" conversation

Why are you so convinced that your neighbor would try to kill you, or fear being killed by you?

In Quebec city, I have no such fears.

Since we have gun control here, few guns are available to collect. No armorys here.

And, by the way... both my neighbours are friendly..

Yves.

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I try not to enter a fight with anyone in the first place. That's why. I have no ennemies.
Yves.

I was unaware that criminals were friends with the majority of their victims?

Regardless, we're straying a bit far afield, I think.

I'm please that crime has come down in your country - congrats!

The majority of Homicide victims knew their killers.

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In Quebec city, I have no such fears.

Since we have gun control here, few guns are available to collect. No armorys here.

And, by the way... both my neighbours are friendly..

Yves.

Then why this comment?

>>If your neighbour see you with a gun, he'll want a bigger one. That's how it works.
Is this from your experience as a gun owner, or are you talking through your hat?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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In Quebec city, I have no such fears.

Since we have gun control here, few guns are available to collect. No armorys here.

And, by the way... both my neighbours are friendly..

Yves.

Then why this comment?

>>If your neighbour see you with a gun, he'll want a bigger one. That's how it works.
Is this from your experience as a gun owner, or are you talking through your hat?

I don't own a gun. Never felt the need to own one. And I will never own one.

Yves.

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I try not to enter a fight with anyone in the first place. That's why. I have no ennemies.
Yves.

I was unaware that criminals were friends with the majority of their victims?

Regardless, we're straying a bit far afield, I think.

I'm please that crime has come down in your country - congrats!

The majority of Homicide victims knew their killers.

That's a neat trick...who did the seance?

Link me to the study, please. I recall mention of the claim but don't remember who did it.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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In Quebec city, I have no such fears.

Since we have gun control here, few guns are available to collect. No armorys here.

And, by the way... both my neighbours are friendly..

Yves.

Then why this comment?

>>If your neighbour see you with a gun, he'll want a bigger one. That's how it works.
Is this from your experience as a gun owner, or are you talking through your hat?

I don't own a gun. Never felt the need to own one. And I will never own one.

Yves.

Ok, so you were talking through your hat.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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In Quebec city, I have no such fears.

Since we have gun control here, few guns are available to collect. No armorys here.

And, by the way... both my neighbours are friendly..

Yves.

Then why this comment?

>>If your neighbour see you with a gun, he'll want a bigger one. That's how it works.
Is this from your experience as a gun owner, or are you talking through your hat?

I don't own a gun. Never felt the need to own one. And I will never own one.

Yves.

Ok, so you were talking through your hat.

NO.

You don't, or won't understand... Anyway

Just try to tell me why I would need to own a gun, to be able to talk about safety in a gunless society?

In my neck of the wood, I don't need to own guns to be safe... or feel safe.

Yves.

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NO.

You don't, or won't understand... Anyway

Just try to tell me why I would need to own a gun, to be able to talk about safety in a gunless society?

In my neck of the wood, I don't need to own guns to be safe... or feel safe.

Yves.

No, YOU don't understand - I am saying that you are talking through your hat because you are making assertions on reasons for gun ownership or actions of gun owners with NO experience to base it on.

I have NO problem with you not "wanting" or "needing" to own a gun. However, the fact that you cannot envision any other reason than paranoia to own a gun does NOT make it true and is, in fact, you projecting your feelings onto others.

Is that clearer?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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"The overall crime rate has been on a general rate of decline... following a long-term downward trend that began in the mid-1970s."

What a coincidence. That's the same crime trend that we've seen in America.

And America doesn't have the same strict gun control measures that Canada has. So that kind of destroys your theory that strict gun control is responsible for the downward trend. Oh well... There is no causal correlation between gun control measures and crime rates, anywhere.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_01.html

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Yeah, but there's all those damn hockey fanatics up there...

Yeah, and they're prone to violence!

(Canadian Bacon) "And their beer sucks!" (/Canadian Bacon)

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>Mars/Neptune, solar output and man-made global warming ring a bell for you here, Bill?

Perhaps you could start yet another "There's only one problem with global warming - it ended in 1998!" thread, if you would like to discuss that.

>Seeing as how there have been SEVERAL studies on how gun control
>laws have little to no effect on reduction of crime, what's your point?

That you (and JohnRich, and several others) trumpet those studies that agree with your position, and become remarkably defensive and petulant whenever the opposite effect is observed.

In Moore's Columbine movie, he postulated that it is the culture difference, rather than the availability of weapons, that made the difference in crime. I tend to agree.

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The majority of Homicide victims knew their killers.

That's a neat trick...who did the seance?

It's hardly surprising, but bear in mind that familiarity is a loose term. Raoul may know Julio as the rival gang banger 3 blocks down.

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I try not to enter a fight with anyone in the first place. That's why. I have no ennemies.
Yves.

I was unaware that criminals were friends with the majority of their victims?

Regardless, we're straying a bit far afield, I think.

I'm please that crime has come down in your country - congrats!

The majority of Homicide victims knew their killers.

That's a neat trick...who did the seance?

Link me to the study, please. I recall mention of the claim but don't remember who did it.

Knew: past tense.

Source: funny question, that, coming from someone who so frequently quotes the source when it suits his argument.

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The majority of Homicide victims knew their killers.

That's a neat trick...who did the seance?

It's hardly surprising, but bear in mind that familiarity is a loose term. Raoul may know Julio as the rival gang banger 3 blocks down.

You could, of course, look up the information, then you wouldn't have to speculate.

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>Mars/Neptune, solar output and man-made global warming ring a bell for you here, Bill?

Perhaps you could start yet another "There's only one problem with global warming - it ended in 1998!" thread, if you would like to discuss that.

>Seeing as how there have been SEVERAL studies on how gun control
>laws have little to no effect on reduction of crime, what's your point?

That you (and JohnRich, and several others) trumpet those studies that agree with your position, and become remarkably defensive and petulant whenever the opposite effect is observed.

In Moore's Columbine movie, he postulated that it is the culture difference, rather than the availability of weapons, that made the difference in crime. I tend to agree.

Roughly 20% of US homicides are committed by family or friends (FBI data - note that this is where the killer is identified, and that the actual % is no doubt greater since a large fraction of homicides go unsolved). I *suggest* that ready availability of a gun makes homicide a more probable outcome of a domestic fight.

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It's hardly surprising, but bear in mind that familiarity is a loose term. Raoul may know Julio as the rival gang banger 3 blocks down.

You could, of course, look up the information, then you wouldn't have to speculate.

I leave the speculation part to you - apparently you round 20% up to a majority?

The grouping of murders by rival gangs is a known issue of this silly propaganda to convince people that having a gun in the house will kill them.

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Quebec city, with a population of 550 000, had ZERO homicide in 2007. Are we so different than our American neighbours? How would you explain this?

The bodies get eaten by the moose before they can be discovered.

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It's hardly surprising, but bear in mind that familiarity is a loose term. Raoul may know Julio as the rival gang banger 3 blocks down.

You could, of course, look up the information, then you wouldn't have to speculate.

I leave the speculation part to you - apparently you round 20% up to a majority?

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I did? Kindly explain, bearing in mind that "victim knew the killer" includes others than just family and friends.

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>Mars/Neptune, solar output and man-made global warming ring a bell for you here, Bill?

Perhaps you could start yet another "There's only one problem with global warming - it ended in 1998!" thread, if you would like to discuss that.

>Seeing as how there have been SEVERAL studies on how gun control
>laws have little to no effect on reduction of crime, what's your point?

That you (and JohnRich, and several others) trumpet those studies that agree with your position, and become remarkably defensive and petulant whenever the opposite effect is observed.

See your reponse immediately above - what's that about defensive and petulant, again?

The pro-2nd side tends to argue more from fact than emotion. The anti-2nd argues more from emotion than fact. Both sides defend their ideas but I see a WHOLE lot more insults, petulance and bile from the antis.

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In Moore's Columbine movie, he postulated that it is the culture difference, rather than the availability of weapons, that made the difference in crime. I tend to agree.

If he's talking about criminal culture and the increase of drug/gang violence, I agree. The 'drugging down' of schoolkids is probably a large contributor as well.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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>See your reponse immediately above - what's that about defensive and petulant, again?

The always-applicable "I know you are but what am I" defense! A favorite in schoolyards everywhere.

>The pro-2nd side tends to argue more from fact than emotion.

Of course. Unless the evidence is against them, in which case they rely on the old reliable "sheep-wolves" analogy and characterizations like "gun-o-phobes." "I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six!" is always a good one, with the hidden implication that not having a gun will result in your death. No emotion there. Nope. Strictly fact.