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jakee 1,408
QuoteMy Point exactly. In the void of space electromagnetic radiations are invisible to our senses. They are only detectable when they interacts with other mass or energy particles. Similarly God's presence is visible when it interacts with the minds and lives of mankind.
What? The two are not remotely comparable. The one is directly observable, measurable and quantifiable. The other is indistinguishable from wishful thinking.
QuoteNo need to be careful. We are created genetically to experience God just are we are created to experience reflected photon beams. We can use our free will to blind ourselves to the call of God, just as we can shut our eyes to turn off the light.
And now you're just assuming your conclusion again
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
Andy9o8 1
QuoteQuote(Royd): I don't see atheists making great efforts to lift up the downtrodden.
Secular charity is everywhere. Secular groups do a great deal of work around the world and even in your own hometown. Unlike religous charities, they do not do the work to garner points from a "God" to someday trade in for admission to some kind of invisible kingdom in the sky but, because it is the right thing to do. They focus soley on the work and not on converting the "heathens".
Here are but a few (there are a great number more);
http://www.hollows.org/
http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=main&page=SHARE
http://www.secondharvest.org/
http://www.toysfortots.org/
http://www.habitat.org/
http://www.nature.org/
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/index.htm
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/home/index.asp
http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Main_Page
http://www.rethink.org/
http://www.amfar.org/cgi-bin/iowa/index.html
http://www.heifer.org/
http://www.mamaskitchen.org/
http://www.foodoutreach.org/home.html
I would have just told him his post is blatantly stupid on its face, and left it at that. But, if you've got the extra time to kill, go right ahead.
Andy9o8 1
QuoteOther signs dont say "Come to us or be damned forever."
The signs dont bother me, it was just a shock seeing something as personal as religion being thrust in your face.
Then what you're really describing is basically a garden-variety example of culture shock at something foreign to you. Welcome to America, where religion is shoved down more throats than....
No, I won't say it; I don't want the thread to be moved to the Bonfire. But I'm sure I'll be damned for thinking it.
mnealtx 0
QuoteWelcome to America, where religion is shoved down more throats than....
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rushmc 21
QuoteQuoteOther signs dont say "Come to us or be damned forever."
The signs dont bother me, it was just a shock seeing something as personal as religion being thrust in your face.
Then what you're really describing is basically a garden-variety example of culture shock at something foreign to you. Welcome to America, where religion is shoved down more throats than....
No, I won't say it; I don't want the thread to be moved to the Bonfire. But I'm sure I'll be damned for thinking it.
Down your throats? No, I dont think so. Since so much time is spent trying to remove religion from everything it just seems that way. Reason? that is easy. It threatens some people. Why? Cause they want to do what they want to do with no guilt. Morality is prickely......
I dont care if someone is religious or not except when they try to stop everyone else from being religious.
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
Andy9o8 1
QuoteDown your throats? No, I dont think so. Since so much time is spent trying to remove religion from everything it just seems that way.
What you're failing to acknowledge is that the US has a long tradition of tension between (a) those who shove not just religion, but theocracy, in our faces, and are strident and obnoxious about it, vs. (b) people who want to sanitize society of any and all reference to religion outside of a church building, and are strident and obnoxious about it. Then there's the rest of us, who wish the both of them would just shut the fuck up already.
jakee 1,408
QuoteSince so much time is spent trying to remove religion from everything it just seems that way. Reason? that is easy. It threatens some people. Why? Cause they want to do what they want to do with no guilt.
Could not be more wrong. I'm sure it makes you feel all warm and superior to think so, but still very wrong (And I'm sure I don't need to point out how hypocritical you're being by thinking you know other peoples motives).
QuoteI dont care if someone is religious or not except when they try to stop everyone else from being religious.
So you don't mind when people try and make everyone else be religious. Ok then.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
rushmc 21
QuoteQuoteSince so much time is spent trying to remove religion from everything it just seems that way. Reason? that is easy. It threatens some people. Why? Cause they want to do what they want to do with no guilt.
Could not be more wrong. I'm sure it makes you feel all warm and superior to think so, but still very wrong (And I'm sure I don't need to point out how hypocritical you're being by thinking you know other peoples motives).QuoteI dont care if someone is religious or not except when they try to stop everyone else from being religious.
So you don't mind when people try and make everyone else be religious. Ok then.
No, you are the one than could not be more wrong about dam near all your conclusions here
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
rushmc 21
QuoteQuoteDown your throats? No, I dont think so. Since so much time is spent trying to remove religion from everything it just seems that way.
What you're failing to acknowledge is that the US has a long tradition of tension between (a) those who shove not just religion, but theocracy, in our faces, and are strident and obnoxious about it, vs. (b) people who want to sanitize society of any and all reference to religion outside of a church building, and are strident and obnoxious about it. Then there's the rest of us, who wish the both of them would just shut the fuck up already.
For the most part I agree with you here. I do feel however one side is much more active in its attempts to push its agenda.
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
rushmc 21
(And I'm sure I don't need to point out how hypocritical you're being by thinking you know other peoples motives).
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Oh, and one more thing. I think it is import to point out to you I only complain when people like you tell ME what my motives are. I am not trying here to tell you what YOUR motives are. I know for a fact, because I have spoken with people, that the point I was making does indeed exist.
So, if you feel I was speaking of you, please, let your guilt subside as it might have only seemed that way, if ,the point was too close to home for you. In reality, I made no attempt to speak of you."America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
jakee 1,408
No, I didn't think you were talking about me. I'm not really one for civic activism - altogether too much effort. Point remains, that it is still hypocritical of you to think that you can know the common unspoken motives of a very diverse group of people that you are not a part of.
But let's look at your statement that people want to remove religion from public life because it makes them feel guilty - it just doesn't make sense. Consider the large portion of those people that are atheists - why would it possibly make someone feel guilty to be contravening the rules given by a non-existant God? Absurd!
But let's look at your statement that people want to remove religion from public life because it makes them feel guilty - it just doesn't make sense. Consider the large portion of those people that are atheists - why would it possibly make someone feel guilty to be contravening the rules given by a non-existant God? Absurd!
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
rushmc 21
QuoteNo, I didn't think you were talking about me. I'm not really one for civic activism - altogether too much effort. Point remains, that it is still hypocritical of you to think that you can know the common unspoken motives of a very diverse group of people that you are not a part of. Im hypocitical??? You know who I talk too?
. Yes it is a diverse group. I did not say all, I said some. Strike one!
But let's look at your statement that people want to remove religion from public life because it makes them feel guilty - it just doesn't make sense.Sure it does, but simple fact it needs explaining to you says volumes about your thought process or lack of honesty. Strike 2 Consider the large portion of those people that are atheists - why would it possibly make someone feel guilty to be contravening the rules given by a non-existant God? Has NOTHING to do with God
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
jakee 1,408
QuoteIm hypocitical??? You know who I talk too?. Yes it is a diverse group. I did not say all, I said some. Strike one!
The way your post was worded was that you were talking about the main reason why there are people who want to remove religion from public life. The way you used 'some' was to indicate that group of people who want to remove religion from public life, not a subset of those people. But, since you've clarified your meaning then I will concede that there may well be a very, very small subset of that group who do it jst because they don't want to feel 'guilty' about stuff.
QuoteHas NOTHING to do with God Your right, there is some absurdity in this thread.
Eh? We're talking about religion - how can it not have something to do with belief in God? You're saying that some people want to remove religion from public life because it makes them feel guilty about their actions. Why would religion make them feel guilty? Presumably because they're contravening religious morality. Where do religions say morality stems from? God. Hence the question - why would atheists feel guilty about contravening the morality that comes from a God they don't believe exists?
QE-motherfuckin'-D
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
br0k3n 0
QuoteQuoteQuote(Royd): I don't see atheists making great efforts to lift up the downtrodden.
Secular charity is everywhere. Secular groups do a great deal of work around the world and even in your own hometown. Unlike religous charities, they do not do the work to garner points from a "God" to someday trade in for admission to some kind of invisible kingdom in the sky but, because it is the right thing to do. They focus soley on the work and not on converting the "heathens".
Here are but a few (there are a great number more);
http://www.hollows.org/
http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=main&page=SHARE
http://www.secondharvest.org/
http://www.toysfortots.org/
http://www.habitat.org/
http://www.nature.org/
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/index.htm
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/home/index.asp
http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Main_Page
http://www.rethink.org/
http://www.amfar.org/cgi-bin/iowa/index.html
http://www.heifer.org/
http://www.mamaskitchen.org/
http://www.foodoutreach.org/home.html
I would have just told him his post is blatantly stupid on its face, and left it at that. But, if you've got the extra time to kill, go right ahead.
Lets not forget probably the most well know Secular charity group The RED CROSS
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Royd 0
Thanks for pointing that out. Those who truly believe that there is no god should never feel guilt about anything. There is no overriding law of right and wrong.QuoteBut let's look at your statement that people want to remove religion from public life because it makes them feel guilty - it just doesn't make sense. Consider the large portion of those people that are atheists - why would it possibly make someone feel guilty to be contravening the rules given by a non-existant God? Absurd!
Quilt is not something that you can measure in a lab. Where in the hell does it come from?
For those who fight against any mention of religion in the public eye have an internal battle between what they want to do and what they should do. If only they could get rid of that law and that quilt.
Lindsey 0
There is no overriding law of right and wrong
To think that you have to believe in some god in order to have a sense of morality is just silly. Not all people need external enforcement of basic good manners. A lot of people have goodness within themselves...lol.
Quilt is not something that you can measure in a lab.
I think it'd be plenty easy to measure a quilt in a lab. All ya' need is a basic tape measure.
To think that you have to believe in some god in order to have a sense of morality is just silly. Not all people need external enforcement of basic good manners. A lot of people have goodness within themselves...lol.
Quilt is not something that you can measure in a lab.
I think it'd be plenty easy to measure a quilt in a lab. All ya' need is a basic tape measure.
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jakee 1,408
QuoteThose who truly believe that there is no god should never feel guilt about anything. There is no overriding law of right and wrong.
Well, no, but thanks for playing. Faith and morality are absolutely not, in any way, the same thing, and lack of faith in no way whatsoever precludes morality. It's just one of those tired old gambits trotted out time and time again, refuted time and time again with natural examples of moral behaviour and altruism throughout the animal kingdom and then, magically, trotted back out again the next week as if nothing had happened. It's getting really boring. Please, just take my word for it - guilt (and morality) can exist within a person who in no way whatsoever believes in God.
QuoteFor those who fight against any mention of religion in the public eye have an internal battle between what they want to do and what they should do. If only they could get rid of that law and that quilt.
No, completely and utterly wrong. But as I said to Rush, if it makes you feel all fuzzy and superior to think that...
And it's not spelt with a 'Q'.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
rushmc 21
QuoteQuoteThose who truly believe that there is no god should never feel guilt about anything. There is no overriding law of right and wrong.
Well, no, but thanks for playing. Faith and morality are absolutely not, in any way, the same thing, and lack of faith in no way whatsoever precludes morality. It's just one of those tired old gambits trotted out time and time again, refuted time and time again with natural examples of moral behaviour and altruism throughout the animal kingdom and then, magically, trotted back out again the next week as if nothing had happened. It's getting really boring. Please, just take my word for it - guilt (and morality) can exist within a person who in no way whatsoever believes in God.QuoteFor those who fight against any mention of religion in the public eye have an internal battle between what they want to do and what they should do. If only they could get rid of that law and that quilt.
No, completely and utterly wrong. But as I said to Rush, if it makes you feel all fuzzy and superior to think that...
And it's not spelt with a 'Q'.
Let see, start out with a shot, take the I know best and you are wrong position, Do that again and then? an isult.
Nope, you have no quilt at all
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
My Point exactly. In the void of space electromagnetic radiations are invisible to our senses. They are only detectable when they interacts with other mass or energy particles. Similarly God's presence is visible when it interacts with the minds and lives of mankind.
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--I'd be careful using such absolute statements there. Tendencies towards religious belief might just be a side effect of some other thought patterns and mental qualities we've developed.
No need to be careful. We are created genetically to experience God just are we are created to experience reflected photon beams. We can use our free will to blind ourselves to the call of God, just as we can shut our eyes to turn off the light.
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O come on, I agree it was not very professional, but surely not insulting.
----It's a slap in the face to the entire concept of what science is.
Good Lord, who is being sensitive now?
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