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QuoteSentences need to be longer for violent criminals, and nonexistent for potheads so we can make room.
I can live with that.
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'Can you name any societies that have implemented less stringent gun control laws? I can't.'
My exact point. I didn't quite expect you to reiterate it, as apparantly you've done 'lots and lots of research' and seem to be an 'authority'. (Although despite this research and the fact you're an authority Mealtx seems to have come up with some interesting areas...)
Again, like I mentioned earlier, I respect the efforts you've made - there's no need to get sarcastic if in some areas I remain unconvinced. Otherwise you get sarcasm back. So stop whining about the name calling.
Whilst you have a belief that you feel is also supported by research and statistics, it still remains theoretical.
I generally involved myself in this discussion because I found myself surprised at how convinced you are of being correct, in regards to a theory.
Scary!
I don't need to conduct research to recognise this.
'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'
My exact point. I didn't quite expect you to reiterate it, as apparantly you've done 'lots and lots of research' and seem to be an 'authority'. (Although despite this research and the fact you're an authority Mealtx seems to have come up with some interesting areas...)
Again, like I mentioned earlier, I respect the efforts you've made - there's no need to get sarcastic if in some areas I remain unconvinced. Otherwise you get sarcasm back. So stop whining about the name calling.
Whilst you have a belief that you feel is also supported by research and statistics, it still remains theoretical.
I generally involved myself in this discussion because I found myself surprised at how convinced you are of being correct, in regards to a theory.
Scary!
I don't need to conduct research to recognise this.
'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'
Thanks for the Kennesaw and Florida examples.
Now, you're mistaken to feel I've an opposite belief to you on this subject. That's a bit of an assumption I reckon, made to help fuel your argument.
What I've been trying to point out is that the argument is unfounded as it's being generally based on theory. You asked me; 'How can you be so certain it WILL?'
I'm not certain at all, and that's my point. How can you be so certain of theoretical issues? Through facts and figures? It may well strongly support your theory but it's still a theory. So in that context I think it helps to remain objective.
Then we might not see so many similiar arguments degenerating into slagging matches!
'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'
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Quote'Can you name any societies that have implemented less stringent gun control laws? I can't.'
My exact point. I didn't quite expect you to reiterate it, as apparantly you've done 'lots and lots of research' and seem to be an 'authority'. (Although despite this research and the fact you're an authority Mealtx seems to have come up with some interesting areas...)
For the purposes of this discussion, I'm not considering Florida to be an independent society. Yes, numerous states have seen declines in crime after implementing concealed carry; however, whether those declines were a result of concealed carry or merely part of a larger trend remains to be shown. What has been clearly shown, however, is that concealed carry certainly doesn't make crime any worse in the places where it is allowed.
The preceding points are covered in the interview I linked to in the first post in this thread.
Technically, they didn't loosen gun controls in Kennesaw, Georgia; they simply ordered everyone to abide by the current controls and obtain a gun. And again, it's hard to say for sure that the decrease in crime was a direct result of ordering every household to keep a gun.
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Again, like I mentioned earlier, I respect the efforts you've made - there's no need to get sarcastic if in some areas I remain unconvinced. Otherwise you get sarcasm back. So stop whining about the name calling.
Whilst you have a belief that you feel is also supported by research and statistics, it still remains theoretical.
I generally involved myself in this discussion because I found myself surprised at how convinced you are of being correct, in regards to a theory.
Scary!
I don't need to conduct research to recognise this.
Technically, gravity is still a theory too. There are still differing views on why exactly skydivers go down when they jump out of a plane, but that doesn't mean there is credible evidence suggesting they actually go up. (And so help me, the first smartass who says, "What about wingsuit jumpers?" is getting a skysurfing board in the ass.)
Though it's theoretical that allowing concealed carry on college campuses might actually save a life or stop a mass shooting, there is no credible evidence that it would have the opposite effect, so why not allow it? That's been the crux of my argument all along.
I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names.
'Though it's theoretical that allowing concealed carry on college campuses might actually save a life or stop a mass shooting, there is no credible evidence that it would have the opposite effect, so why not allow it? That's been the crux of my argument all along.'
I think a lot of the resistance towards such a move stems from the fact that it won't necessary solve the problem.
The root of the problem lies around cultural and social issues.
Allowing concealed carry permits on campus therefore won't solve the problem. If you consider the possibilty it may in some cases cause similiar situations, wouldn't peoples efforts be better spent on dealing with the cultural and social issues?
It is a horrendous situation becoming far too common, and whilst I recognise armed students could have possibly dealt with the/a gunman, could there then be more actual shootings, from more people carrying weapons? Despite what research is done into this question, it will always remain a possibility that people will be painfully aware of, and more importantly, it won't deal with the real source of issue.
'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'
I think a lot of the resistance towards such a move stems from the fact that it won't necessary solve the problem.
The root of the problem lies around cultural and social issues.
Allowing concealed carry permits on campus therefore won't solve the problem. If you consider the possibilty it may in some cases cause similiar situations, wouldn't peoples efforts be better spent on dealing with the cultural and social issues?
It is a horrendous situation becoming far too common, and whilst I recognise armed students could have possibly dealt with the/a gunman, could there then be more actual shootings, from more people carrying weapons? Despite what research is done into this question, it will always remain a possibility that people will be painfully aware of, and more importantly, it won't deal with the real source of issue.
'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'
Do you believe that criminals and madmen have a right to bear arms? Yes or no?
I think that violent criminals shouldn't have the right to bear arms, because they have done something to cost themselves that right. I also think that the insane shouldn't bear arms, provided the appropriate protocol has been followed to judge them incompetent to do so, just like when someone is involuntarily committed. We already have a system in place to prevent violent criminals from purchasing guns legally. I'm not sure about the mental health part. What we don't have is a system to prevent criminals from purchasing guns illegally.
What I'd like to see is a greatly increased penalty for committing a crime with a gun. Commit a crime (armed robbery, for example), get ten more years added on to the sentence if your weapon was a gun rather than a knife. Most of the violent criminals have a rap sheet a mile long, from what I saw working in criminal court. Sentences need to be longer for violent criminals, and nonexistent for potheads so we can make room.