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I'm not saying it didn't happen, Bill... I'm saying that there's probably a lot more heat than light in this instance.

I *do* know that Halliburton got zapped for cost overruns and was punished. I would also be willing to bet that *if* everything that was mentioned is true, GAO would've pulled their contract.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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I'm not saying it didn't happen, Bill... I'm saying that there's probably a lot more heat than light in this instance.

I *do* know that Halliburton got zapped for cost overruns and was punished. I would also be willing to bet that *if* everything that was mentioned is true, GAO would've pulled their contract.

How much do you know about Gov't contracting (FARS)

Do you have a clue how much stroke KbR/Hallibut has on their staff, Retired general officers & family members, congessional family members etc.

The first contract Halibutt got for Iraq was before the war started to put out the oil well fires that never happened. Their work during desert storm/shield gave them a head start on the competition, that and their connections at the highest levels of the gov't.

GAO writes reports someone else in the pentagon has the hammer.

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Senator John McCain - McCain's naval honors include the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross

You forgot to mention that Mr McCains pappy was a high level admiral in the navy when Johnny boy went to the naval acadamy. Was he treated the same as the other undergrads by the students in the upper classes.

What did johnny get his stars because he was a naval acadamy graduate,and his pappy had friends in high places. Some enlisted swine did great thing but were never considered for the higher medals due to their commanders opinion of there lowly position in the ranks.

Did Johnny refuse a get out of the hilton early card, because it was offered by Hanoi as a propaganda tool due to johnny's daddy being a admiral?

Don't have a clue about the last one but there's lots of BS thats been taken as the truth. The muskegee airmen were reported to have never lost a bomber to german aircraft while the bombers were being escorted by the pilots from muskegee. 50 yrs after the fact proven NOT TRUE!!!

Who's the real deal, who do you trust? Hard to find a virgin in politics.

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I'm not saying it didn't happen, Bill... I'm saying that there's probably a lot more heat than light in this instance.

I *do* know that Halliburton got zapped for cost overruns and was punished. I would also be willing to bet that *if* everything that was mentioned is true, GAO would've pulled their contract.

How much do you know about Gov't contracting (FARS)

Do you have a clue how much stroke KbR/Hallibut has on their staff, Retired general officers & family members, congessional family members etc.

The first contract Halibutt got for Iraq was before the war started to put out the oil well fires that never happened. Their work during desert storm/shield gave them a head start on the competition, that and their connections at the highest levels of the gov't.

GAO writes reports someone else in the pentagon has the hammer.

Yeah, I've got a pretty good idea on how it works, seeing as how I've been doing it for the last 18 years.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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I'm not saying it didn't happen, Bill... I'm saying that there's probably a lot more heat than light in this instance.

I *do* know that Halliburton got zapped for cost overruns and was punished. I would also be willing to bet that *if* everything that was mentioned is true, GAO would've pulled their contract.

How much do you know about Gov't contracting (FARS)

Do you have a clue how much stroke KbR/Hallibut has on their staff, Retired general officers & family members, congessional family members etc.

The first contract Halibutt got for Iraq was before the war started to put out the oil well fires that never happened. Their work during desert storm/shield gave them a head start on the competition, that and their connections at the highest levels of the gov't.

GAO writes reports someone else in the pentagon has the hammer.

Yeah, I've got a pretty good idea on how it works, seeing as how I've been doing it for the last 18 years.

Good for you we did it for 21 yrs so what does time on the job mean. Since we seem to disagree.

Ever been to a preliminary end of FY contracting mtg aprox sept where the main man Bird Col says "We need 100% execution (expenditure of all funds by sept 30) with Zero negative indicators". Is that a goal or a absolute? or just plausable deniability.

We retired from the gov't at 48yo (25 yr's service any age) to get out of that nut house. "Now that we no longer work for the Feds We don't have to do any thing stupid unless we want to".
18 yr's on the job and you got another 12 yr's to go before you become eligable to retire Of course if you got kids you'll continue to work until the little ones graduate from college. Have a nice life. OTOH you could be working for Haliburtan overseas (No income tax)

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Ever been to a preliminary end of FY contracting mtg aprox sept where the main man Bird Col says "We need 100% execution (expenditure of all funds by sept 30) with Zero negative indicators". Is that a goal or a absolute? or just plausable deniability

Sounds to me like he's saying "contract funds must be spent before the end of the fiscal year in accordance with contract requirements"...but that's just me. Nothing illegal about it, as long as the funds are spent IAW contract requirements.

I'm not GS, but a contractor... so I'm responsible for my own retirement.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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I never served....does that make me a coward?
My father never served...is he a coward as well?
Never mind answering since in your mind being a Republican automatically makes someone a piece of cow dung unworthy of even existing on the same planet as yourself.

Did you avoid serving by, for example, seeking deferments?

Nope. In fact I was turned down by all branches because of a lower back injury. My dad was registered and still has his card, but was never drafted. His father tried to join in WWII but was instead put to work helping to build and convert manufacturing plants. My other grandpa served in the Czech army as a machine gunner and got the hell out of there before Hitler had his way.

Just out of curiosity, how many of those prominent Repubs listed by Amazon deliberately dodged the draft, how many were like my father and just weren't drafted, and how many were like my grandfathers? To accuse someone of cowardice just because they didn't serve, without knowing the underlying reasons, is an injustice unto itself.

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never served....does that make me a coward?
My father never served...is he a coward as well?
Never mind answering since in your mind being a Republican automatically makes someone a piece of cow dung unworthy of even existing on the same planet as yourself.

Only if you did it the way so many of them did..to get out of serving while others served in their place and died.
Most of them are MORE than willing to send OTHER people off to foreign wars.. but not their children... they are CHICKENHAWKS.... talk like a HAWK.. act like a CHICKEN. True Cowards thru and thru.

And you might be surprised to know.. I voted for Nixon. I voted for Reagan.. once upon a time a Republican was the better person for a given position.. but these days I can not in good conscience vote for any I have seen in years...because most of them ARE COW DUNG posing as moral upstanding citizens.. who spout religeous bullshit for the masses that actually believe their crap. And recently we are CERTAINLY seeing the TRUE COLORS of so many of them.... corruption....pedophiles....gay preachers preaching fire and brimstone against gays...the Party Of Hypocrisy.

What of the Dems? Why did you not list any of them? Bill Clinton is a known draft dodger, perjerer, and adulturer. Since he admitted to deliberately avoiding the draft is he not, under your definition, a coward?

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> Bill Clinton is a known draft dodger . . .

CDIF.

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> Bill Clinton is a known draft dodger . . .

CDIF.

Knew that one was coming... still seems applicable to the conversaiton though, illustrating (again) that there's hardly any difference at all between the parties.

Mike
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What of the Dems? Why did you not list any of them? Bill Clinton is a known draft dodger, perjerer, and adulturer. Since he admitted to deliberately avoiding the draft is he not, under your definition, a coward

Go to the website.. they list a lot of those terrorist supporting unpatriotic Democrats ... all labeled as such by your friends in the right wing.

You can bet your ass he was not a CHICKEN HAWK... rah rah rah GO WAR>. WAR GOOD... oh fuck I got a really low draft number.... I need to get a deferment.. or an appointment to the reserves or National Guard.. Daddy can you get me one of those???

It far different to not support war.. and not want to go to one.

I hope the hell you can tell the difference.

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Here is what I think we all have in common. We all love our country and our countrymen, however we must seriously put our heads together and get our government working efficiently. Our politics are what's most important, not the next American Idol. There are a lot of useful elements that both parties bring to the table, but we seriously need to do a spring cleaning on both sides.

I agree with the professor that this was a proper decision by the courts. However, we might have possibly let a terrorist go free. If we did, then I blame Homeland Security on up for not having the evidence submitted. If not, then they are incompetent. Either way is inexcusable.

However, it's time to move on to the next challenge such as solving the invasion of illegal immigrants who storm into our land. Social Security is still just a redistribution of wealth which simply robs Peter to pay Paul and then turns around to pay Peter again. Finally, how about the Fair Tax Plan? These are important issues that need to be addressed. That is why I feel it falls on our shoulders to find a candidate on both sides who is in it for the nation, not them selves.

Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!

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Sounds to me like he's saying "contract funds must be spent before the end of the fiscal year in accordance with contract requirements"...but that's just me. Nothing illegal about it, as long as the funds are spent IAW contract requirements.

I'm not GS, but a contractor... so I'm responsible for my own retirement.

No wonder you sing the contractor song. The gov't is watching us so we got to walk the line. If we were dirty they would pull our contract

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I never served....does that make me a coward?
My father never served...is he a coward as well?
Never mind answering since in your mind being a Republican automatically makes someone a piece of cow dung unworthy of even existing on the same planet as yourself.

Did you avoid serving by, for example, seeking deferments?

Nope. In fact I was turned down by all branches because of a lower back injury. My dad was registered and still has his card, but was never drafted. His father tried to join in WWII but was instead put to work helping to build and convert manufacturing plants. My other grandpa served in the Czech army as a machine gunner and got the hell out of there before Hitler had his way.

Just out of curiosity, how many of those prominent Repubs listed by Amazon deliberately dodged the draft, how many were like my father and just weren't drafted, and how many were like my grandfathers? To accuse someone of cowardice just because they didn't serve, without knowing the underlying reasons, is an injustice unto itself.

I think the deferments were listed on the web site. Cheney's case is particularly telling.

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I hope the hell you can tell the difference.

I can, but it seems you are having difficulty in that respect. Sure there were a lot of Repubs who got dererments, etc. There were also a lot of Dems. And a lot of people who were of neither party. But for you to sit there and call some of them cowards in one breath and then say Clinton wasn't in the next is so hypocritical it makes no sense at all.

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I can, but it seems you are having difficulty in that respect. Sure there were a lot of Repubs who got dererments, etc. There were also a lot of Dems. And a lot of people who were of neither party. But for you to sit there and call some of them cowards in one breath and then say Clinton wasn't in the next is so hypocritical it makes no sense at all.

Obviously you DO have a problem with reality..

Clinton did not serve... yet I bet he was not out there pro war waving the flag. I remember all too well the scizm that existed then.. I lived thru it and I did join the military in 1971... I also remember quite a few of the young Republican types who supported the war without question... I also remember the ones who got deferments and who did not.... the ones who went in their place.. I remember the ones I knew who did not come back.. it was all VERY PERSONAL at the time and still is. I have never been to the wall that honors those who did not come back...I know several names on that wall and do not wish to see them there. I want to remember them as they were..full of life... not part of cold black death.

I can not forgive those same people who got those deferments who have never sacrificed anything for their country and now they control THIS WAR...and are all too cavilier in their approach to war.. just as they were before but this time its other peoples children they are sending off. Some of those serving are some of OUR children... off to an optional war based on lies made up by the people who were so good at avoiding it for themselves and their families.

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The moral of the story is ... don't deal with problems, pass them on.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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No the Moral of the story is.. If you want to be a warmonger.. at least have the personal integrity to go join the ranks. If you are so patriotic that you believe war is good... then teach your children that THEY must serve in the wars YOU support.... dont make others do it for you.

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>Obviously you DO have a problem with reality..

Cut it out Jeanie.

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At least make it to both of us Bill ... a little even handedness after being called hypocritical would be nice... JUST for once.

There was NO hypocrisy in that post what so ever

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How many wars must one start to be a "warmonger"?

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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Who starts the wars.... and who benefits from the wars and gives their support to war because they benefit from it??

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Clinton did not serve... yet I bet he was not out there pro war waving the flag. I remember all too well the scizm that existed then.. I lived thru it and I did join the military in 1971... I also remember quite a few of the young Republican types who supported the war without question... I also remember the ones who got deferments and who did not.... the ones who went in their place.. I remember the ones I knew who did not come back.. it was all VERY PERSONAL at the time and still is. I have never been to the wall that honors those who did not come back...I know several names on that wall and do not wish to see them there. I want to remember them as they were..full of life... not part of cold black death.

I can not forgive those same people who got those deferments who have never sacrificed anything for their country and now they control THIS WAR...and are all too cavilier in their approach to war.. just as they were before but this time its other peoples children they are sending off. Some of those serving are some of OUR children... off to an optional war based on lies made up by the people who were so good at avoiding it for themselves and their families.

Nice post, Amazon. It explains a lot about your more vitriolic posts.

I mean that as a compliment.

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If Country A declares war on Country B, then Country B defeats Country A, then Country A breaks the treaty with Country B, and then Country B declares war on Country A, did Country B start a new war or resume the old war with Country A?

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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War is war.. the dead do not make the distinction of who started it.