Zipp0 1 #76 March 9, 2007 QuoteTake all the worlds money, Pool it together and equally distribute it among all people in the world.. Fast forward 5 to 10 years... You will find that we will be right back where we are now with about 10% having 90% of the wealth. Why?? Because some people are smarter than others. Wanna get rich?? Work Hard, Use your Brain, Quit Bitchin and Realize that YOU and ONLY YOU are responsible for YOUR success and/or failure. Go shout "Work Hard!" to a starving baby in Africa and see how well it works. Brains account for a portion of wealth, but those with a higher jumping off point have an inherent advantage. Also, I don't want to get rich. I am perfectly comfortable and happy. Will I take a raise? Sure. But getting rich is not my ambition. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #77 March 9, 2007 Then quit whining about those who are rich. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #78 March 9, 2007 Conclusions: 2 out of the top 12, and 5 of the top 62 are from France. 14 of the first 487 are from France, and 15 total frenchmen are on the list. Data: 2 of the top 17 are from Sweden, who has 5 of the first 112 and 8 total. 9 of the first 96 are from Germany. 38 of the first 487 are from Germany, with 55 TOTAL Billionairres from Germany! Conclusion: It doesn't matter whether the country is socialist (France/Germany/Sweden) or communist (China) or capitalst (US) - there will be wealthy people. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #79 March 9, 2007 QuoteThen quit whining about those who are rich. I'm not whining. And if I am, I'll quit my whining when the millionaires quit whining about their taxes. There's nothing worse than a bunch of fucking whiny millionaires. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #80 March 9, 2007 QuoteConclusions: 2 out of the top 12, and 5 of the top 62 are from France. 14 of the first 487 are from France, and 15 total frenchmen are on the list. Data: 2 of the top 17 are from Sweden, who has 5 of the first 112 and 8 total. 9 of the first 96 are from Germany. 38 of the first 487 are from Germany, with 55 TOTAL Billionairres from Germany! Conclusion: It doesn't matter whether the country is socialist (France/Germany/Sweden) or communist (China) or capitalst (US) - there will be wealthy people. You mean countries with some form of socailism (health care) can still produce billionaires???? Wow. I thought that with all of those handouts people would just sit around and collect welfare. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #81 March 9, 2007 QuoteQuote Take all the worlds money, Pool it together and equally distribute it among all people in the world.. Good work, no really! Pretend the only possible solutions to the problem are ludicrous and impractical and then you don't have to care about it any more! QuoteWanna get rich?? Work Hard, Use your Brain, Quit Bitchin and Realize that YOU and ONLY YOU are responsible for YOUR success and/or failure. Utter bullshit. Would you enjoy the prosperity you do now if you had been born in Somalia? Haiti? A Rio slum? What are you doing to remedy these problems? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,255 #82 March 9, 2007 QuoteWhat are you doing to remedy these problems? I didn't realise you thought there was a problem.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #83 March 9, 2007 Quote You mean countries with some form of socailism (health care) can still produce billionaires???? Wow. I thought that with all of those handouts people would just sit around and collect welfare. Yes, they can still produce billionairres - just far less that capitalist countries would. Meanwhile, you STILL have, as you admitted, "billions" in poverty. So instead of having more room and spaces for upward mobility, you have more poor and generally equal misery. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #84 March 9, 2007 Speaking generally, wealth is created, not taken or stolen. If wealthy nations had no interraction with some random country out there it would get poorer not wealthier by just about any useful metric. You can't have it all ways, implicitly blaming the wealthier societies for poverty while simultaneously insisting that they cannot have any say in the internal affairs of others. If you have a solution then offer it, but the reality is there's no simple path to eliminate poverty, it takes generations of effort, education, economic growth and is fraught with risk and forces actively opposing it (like the ignorance shown in this thread). Systems that have tried a quick fix have merely led to universal misery. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,122 #85 March 9, 2007 QuoteYes, they can still produce billionairres - just far less that capitalist countries would. Meanwhile, you STILL have, as you admitted, "billions" in poverty. So instead of having more room and spaces for upward mobility, you have more poor and generally equal misery. Funny enough quite a few of those European countries have higher worker productivity than the US. Not only are those socialists not sitting at home collecting welfare, they are working harder than the capitalist worker in the US. Edited to add: And oddly enough, those workers in the US are getting paid more for less work one of the reasons you see a fair bit of outsourcing happening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #86 March 10, 2007 QuoteWhat is your experience of living in, say, a Sudanese refugee camp? Or maybe a famine struck Ethiopian village? A continent with some of the richest natural resources on earth, and these people have been living on the edge of death for centuries. Sounds like a personal problem to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #87 March 10, 2007 I'm also starting to feel like skydivers are, or can be, some cold hearted people! I'm sure that's not true, but man, it really seems that way sometimes. QuoteIf I've got only enough money for one jump and I give you half of it, neither one of us will get to jump. I guess you'll be sitting on the ground. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gontleman 0 #88 March 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteWhat is your experience of living in, say, a Sudanese refugee camp? Or maybe a famine struck Ethiopian village? A continent with some of the richest natural resources on earth, and these people have been living on the edge of death for centuries. Sounds like a personal problem to me.With that logic, all people who work at the front line of any resource harvesting industry should be rolling in money. But alas, it's the Big Oil CEOs, NOT the rig workers, who make the real money. This ties in to the earlier post about 946 people who are willing to work for the money. Those at the bottom who literally scrape by squeezing blood out of stones work harder than most anyone else. But someone lied to them early on by telling them hardwork pays off. It might pay off, but it doesn't pay well. Work smarter, not harder. And then again, that doesn't even factor in for evironmental circumstances. Regardless, you're not going to see a wealthy diamond miner in South Africa. And hell, as far as "disproportionate tax rates are concerned"... the rich pay more in taxes because, IMO, they benefit the most from the society they support. And a rich man is nothing without his peons. Take care of the peons, lest they chop your head off. Viva la France! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nanook 1 #89 March 10, 2007 Personally, I like billionaires. They have created millions of jobs, make cars, wines, cigars, libraries, huge tax sources, stores, resorts, airlines, banks. . . Why can't billionaires spend all those billions in one lifetime? Most spend billions in cost of doing buisness quarterly._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #90 March 10, 2007 Re: [popsjumper] Billionaires/Billions in Poverty by billvon Post: >There's at least 946 people willing to work for the money. Bad conclusion. A great many wealthy people are born into their money. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.) And a great many people are born into poverty. I don't have anything against poverty or wealth per seQuote but I do think we owe it to at least our own people to make sure they don't starve. Two tins of sardines, a tube of crackers, and four or five pieces of fruit. About $5.00 at the outside. That's less than 1 hr. at minimum wage. Nobody needs to starve. They just need to work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #91 March 10, 2007 QuoteOh ok sorry I must have been sleeping. I guess everyone should be poor then Absolutely, and those who show desire and initiative to rise above their situation must be beaten back down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,255 #92 March 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteWhat is your experience of living in, say, a Sudanese refugee camp? Or maybe a famine struck Ethiopian village? A continent with some of the richest natural resources on earth, and these people have been living on the edge of death for centuries. Sounds like a personal problem to me. Oh of course, I get it now. It's a continent full of black people - no wonder they're all begging for hand-outs! Try looking at some African history, the Belgian occupation of Congo would be a good place to start. Some of the World Bank and IMF cash crop and dam building initiatives would do well to follow up.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #93 March 10, 2007 QuoteOh of course, I get it now. It's a continent full of black people - no wonder they're all begging for hand-outs! Try looking at some African history, the Belgian occupation of Congo would be a good place to start. Some of the World Bank and IMF cash crop and dam building initiatives would do well to follow up. I'll be paraphrasing you. We all rose up out of the same primordial slime pool at the same time. How much time or opportunity does anyone need to get their shit together. What happened to all of those functioning, productive farms that were taken away from white farmers and given to the blacks. They went to shit. Whose fault was that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,255 #94 March 10, 2007 Quote What happened to all of those functioning, productive farms that were taken away from white farmers and given to the blacks. They went to shit. Whose fault was that? Robert Mugabe's. Who's fault was it that the proper template for a stable, lasting democracy wasn't in place when we gave self rule back to Southern Rhodesi/ Zimbabwe? It was our fault, just like with every other former colony that's gone to shit.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #95 March 10, 2007 QuoteQuote Reality is that there will always be fewer people with lots of money then there are people with little to no money.. Ask Marie Antoinette what happens when the rich and privileged have a cavalier attitude about the suffering of the poor. Ask the Romans what happens when you let the masses vote themselves 'bread and circuses'.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #96 March 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteThen quit whining about those who are rich. I'm not whining. And if I am, I'll quit my whining when the millionaires quit whining about their taxes. There's nothing worse than a bunch of fucking whiny millionaires. You need to do some research on who ACTUALLY pays most of the taxes... here's a hint: it ain't you and me.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #97 March 10, 2007 QuoteIf you care about worldwide poverty, Vote Democrat! Outstanding. Beats having to actually answer the issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #98 March 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote funny is some cases..... apathy at best I think it's clearly possible to be amused and apathetic simultaneously. you just have to practice And have no conscience..... I don't want to get into religion for now. Other than the whole amused/apathetic thing, anyway. I understand Ann Coulter is joining a union to pardon Scooter Libby in favor of global warming cleanup activities requiring RSLs to only be disconnected in an emergency where GTA gets a date to the movies where they play everyone's favorite TV themesong from robin hood. But no one cares as they are apathetic in how guns can stop booing at college football games where the players aren't allowed to vote unless a cop stops at the wrong address and raises his hands to released methane into the ozone from a hybrid car operated by Northwest airlines' pilots and one small Iranian girl. So we have more than 1 ultimate Republican pesticide, and I thought it was just the debt mess the Repugs are easily at least 75% responsible for, now I see corporate greed causes them to run, spin, anthing but answer the questions...... Repugs = party of spin and misdirection. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #99 March 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThere are now 946 billionaires in the world with a combined worth of over 3.5 Trillion US$. At the same time, there are 2.7 Billion people living on less than $2 a day. Draw your own conclusions..... So what do you propose? Should there be a 'salary cap'? Should there be a law that anyone that makes more then a million dollars a year should then have all that money over a million distributed to everyone else? How about univeral care and better social programs. Also, college tuition paid, as California used to do. Education and health care should be encouraged and provided. And the quality of the education and health care goes to shit. Bottom line you get what you pay for. Right, and the neo-Repugs have writtenthe rules to benefit them, so the poor have gone to shit..... and then the Repugs wonder why all teh crime????? You really do get wht you pay for and the Repugs have said fuck off to the lower classes and they ahev gone to shit, so I agree with you. By your statement you have demonstrated that you want fewer people to get better care, fuck the masses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #100 March 10, 2007 QuoteConclusions: 2 out of the top 12, and 5 of the top 62 are from France. 14 of the first 487 are from France, and 15 total frenchmen are on the list. Data: 2 of the top 17 are from Sweden, who has 5 of the first 112 and 8 total. 9 of the first 96 are from Germany. 38 of the first 487 are from Germany, with 55 TOTAL Billionairres from Germany! Conclusion: It doesn't matter whether the country is socialist (France/Germany/Sweden) or communist (China) or capitalst (US) - there will be wealthy people. Right, but as the ideologies change, the care and distribution change, which is a direct reflection of the level of hmanity these ideologies reflect. 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gontleman 0 #88 March 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteWhat is your experience of living in, say, a Sudanese refugee camp? Or maybe a famine struck Ethiopian village? A continent with some of the richest natural resources on earth, and these people have been living on the edge of death for centuries. Sounds like a personal problem to me.With that logic, all people who work at the front line of any resource harvesting industry should be rolling in money. But alas, it's the Big Oil CEOs, NOT the rig workers, who make the real money. This ties in to the earlier post about 946 people who are willing to work for the money. Those at the bottom who literally scrape by squeezing blood out of stones work harder than most anyone else. But someone lied to them early on by telling them hardwork pays off. It might pay off, but it doesn't pay well. Work smarter, not harder. And then again, that doesn't even factor in for evironmental circumstances. Regardless, you're not going to see a wealthy diamond miner in South Africa. And hell, as far as "disproportionate tax rates are concerned"... the rich pay more in taxes because, IMO, they benefit the most from the society they support. And a rich man is nothing without his peons. Take care of the peons, lest they chop your head off. Viva la France! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #89 March 10, 2007 Personally, I like billionaires. They have created millions of jobs, make cars, wines, cigars, libraries, huge tax sources, stores, resorts, airlines, banks. . . Why can't billionaires spend all those billions in one lifetime? Most spend billions in cost of doing buisness quarterly._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #90 March 10, 2007 Re: [popsjumper] Billionaires/Billions in Poverty by billvon Post: >There's at least 946 people willing to work for the money. Bad conclusion. A great many wealthy people are born into their money. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.) And a great many people are born into poverty. I don't have anything against poverty or wealth per seQuote but I do think we owe it to at least our own people to make sure they don't starve. Two tins of sardines, a tube of crackers, and four or five pieces of fruit. About $5.00 at the outside. That's less than 1 hr. at minimum wage. Nobody needs to starve. They just need to work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #91 March 10, 2007 QuoteOh ok sorry I must have been sleeping. I guess everyone should be poor then Absolutely, and those who show desire and initiative to rise above their situation must be beaten back down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,255 #92 March 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteWhat is your experience of living in, say, a Sudanese refugee camp? Or maybe a famine struck Ethiopian village? A continent with some of the richest natural resources on earth, and these people have been living on the edge of death for centuries. Sounds like a personal problem to me. Oh of course, I get it now. It's a continent full of black people - no wonder they're all begging for hand-outs! Try looking at some African history, the Belgian occupation of Congo would be a good place to start. Some of the World Bank and IMF cash crop and dam building initiatives would do well to follow up.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #93 March 10, 2007 QuoteOh of course, I get it now. It's a continent full of black people - no wonder they're all begging for hand-outs! Try looking at some African history, the Belgian occupation of Congo would be a good place to start. Some of the World Bank and IMF cash crop and dam building initiatives would do well to follow up. I'll be paraphrasing you. We all rose up out of the same primordial slime pool at the same time. How much time or opportunity does anyone need to get their shit together. What happened to all of those functioning, productive farms that were taken away from white farmers and given to the blacks. They went to shit. Whose fault was that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,255 #94 March 10, 2007 Quote What happened to all of those functioning, productive farms that were taken away from white farmers and given to the blacks. They went to shit. Whose fault was that? Robert Mugabe's. Who's fault was it that the proper template for a stable, lasting democracy wasn't in place when we gave self rule back to Southern Rhodesi/ Zimbabwe? It was our fault, just like with every other former colony that's gone to shit.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #95 March 10, 2007 QuoteQuote Reality is that there will always be fewer people with lots of money then there are people with little to no money.. Ask Marie Antoinette what happens when the rich and privileged have a cavalier attitude about the suffering of the poor. Ask the Romans what happens when you let the masses vote themselves 'bread and circuses'.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #96 March 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteThen quit whining about those who are rich. I'm not whining. And if I am, I'll quit my whining when the millionaires quit whining about their taxes. There's nothing worse than a bunch of fucking whiny millionaires. You need to do some research on who ACTUALLY pays most of the taxes... here's a hint: it ain't you and me.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #97 March 10, 2007 QuoteIf you care about worldwide poverty, Vote Democrat! Outstanding. Beats having to actually answer the issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #98 March 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote funny is some cases..... apathy at best I think it's clearly possible to be amused and apathetic simultaneously. you just have to practice And have no conscience..... I don't want to get into religion for now. Other than the whole amused/apathetic thing, anyway. I understand Ann Coulter is joining a union to pardon Scooter Libby in favor of global warming cleanup activities requiring RSLs to only be disconnected in an emergency where GTA gets a date to the movies where they play everyone's favorite TV themesong from robin hood. But no one cares as they are apathetic in how guns can stop booing at college football games where the players aren't allowed to vote unless a cop stops at the wrong address and raises his hands to released methane into the ozone from a hybrid car operated by Northwest airlines' pilots and one small Iranian girl. So we have more than 1 ultimate Republican pesticide, and I thought it was just the debt mess the Repugs are easily at least 75% responsible for, now I see corporate greed causes them to run, spin, anthing but answer the questions...... Repugs = party of spin and misdirection. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #99 March 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThere are now 946 billionaires in the world with a combined worth of over 3.5 Trillion US$. At the same time, there are 2.7 Billion people living on less than $2 a day. Draw your own conclusions..... So what do you propose? Should there be a 'salary cap'? Should there be a law that anyone that makes more then a million dollars a year should then have all that money over a million distributed to everyone else? How about univeral care and better social programs. Also, college tuition paid, as California used to do. Education and health care should be encouraged and provided. And the quality of the education and health care goes to shit. Bottom line you get what you pay for. Right, and the neo-Repugs have writtenthe rules to benefit them, so the poor have gone to shit..... and then the Repugs wonder why all teh crime????? You really do get wht you pay for and the Repugs have said fuck off to the lower classes and they ahev gone to shit, so I agree with you. By your statement you have demonstrated that you want fewer people to get better care, fuck the masses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #100 March 10, 2007 QuoteConclusions: 2 out of the top 12, and 5 of the top 62 are from France. 14 of the first 487 are from France, and 15 total frenchmen are on the list. Data: 2 of the top 17 are from Sweden, who has 5 of the first 112 and 8 total. 9 of the first 96 are from Germany. 38 of the first 487 are from Germany, with 55 TOTAL Billionairres from Germany! Conclusion: It doesn't matter whether the country is socialist (France/Germany/Sweden) or communist (China) or capitalst (US) - there will be wealthy people. Right, but as the ideologies change, the care and distribution change, which is a direct reflection of the level of hmanity these ideologies reflect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
