billvon 2,447 #1 March 2, 2007 From the NewsMax.com Staff DOCUMENTS REVEAL CLINTON COVERUP Clinton's Past Continues to Haunt Her Friday, March 2, 2007 1:07 p.m. EST Documents recently uncovered by Newsmax may open a new saga in Hillary Clinton's bid for the Presidency. Maintenance reports from government buildings in Park Ridge, Illinois reveal that Clinton committed at least one, if not several, acts of fraud and vandalism against government facilities in 1966. Chuck Sneely, former janitor at the Park Ridge Middle School, recounted the events that led to the allegations. "They was playin their stickball out back on the basketball court, after I tells em to stop it," said Sneely in his retirement home in Naperville, Ill. "Next thing I know there's a big crash, and there's a hole in the new window in the Art classroom. I goes out to those kids and says 'Who done that?' They all says 'Not me!' That no-good Rodham girl was with em, too." Maintenance records from this date confirm Sneely's report. A petty cash voucher entry for that year reveals that $11.45 was paid to a local hardware store for a new window, after the old one was broken by "students playing stickball." There were a total of four entries in the official school records for broken windows during the time Hillary Clinton (then Hillary Rodham) was at the school. Sneely was asked about the other incidents, but fell asleep before he could confirm that Rodham was responsible for the other acts of vandalism as well. Republican presidential candidate Chuck Hagel said he was shocked at the allegations. "I am stunned that someone like Hillary Clinton thought she could hide this information from the public. The public has a right to know whether a candidate for the highest government position in the US has engaged in vandalism and fraud." Newt Gingrich, another presidential hopeful, said he was not as surprised. "It's not surprising to me that a democrat would think she can vandalize a government building, lie about it and get away with it. That's the democrat's whole strategy - destroy the US, lie about it and hope no one notices." Dick Cheney had harsh words for the New York Senator. "Destroying buildings is exactly what the 9/11 terrorists did - except at least they had the decency to not lie about it. There is no doubt that we will lose the war on terror if people think it's OK to destroy america and lie about it." RNC spokesman Brian Jones said this was the sort of thing that they hoped would come into the open during the campaign. "The people have a right to know this sort of thing! We here at the Republican National Committee are sensitive to the desires of Americans everywhere, and we know they'd prefer to talk about Playboy model's moldering bodies, broken windows and who inhaled how much, rather than depressing issues like the war, health care and climate change. We here at the RNC look forward to a productive, open and constructive debate on just how much of a bitch Hillary Clinton really is." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #3 March 2, 2007 I smell an onion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #4 March 3, 2007 Me too! I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #5 March 3, 2007 So her staff's attempt to bury her Wellesly thesis has no bearing on her fitness? mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,447 #6 March 4, 2007 > So her staff's attempt to bury her Wellesly thesis has no bearing on her fitness? It has as much bearing on her fitness as this mythical attempt to bury the story of her breaking windows when she was a kid. In other words - go for it. I bet if you went through her stuff from college you could find some pictures of her smoking and drinking, too! After all, do you want a president who smoked and LIED about it to her parents? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kenneth21441 0 #7 March 4, 2007 I would have to say to this is "Keep Hillary in the house, NOt the WHITE HOUSE"Kenneth Potter FAA Senior Parachute Rigger Tactical Delivery Instructor (Jeddah, KSA) FFL Gunsmith Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #8 March 5, 2007 I don't care one bit for Hillary Clinton but, she was a kid at the time that window got broken. I think, more attention should be paid to what she has done as an adult. Personally, I feel she should do the right thing and just drop out of the presidential race. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #9 March 5, 2007 Quote> So her staff's attempt to bury her Wellesly thesis has no bearing on her fitness? It has as much bearing on her fitness as this mythical attempt to bury the story of her breaking windows when she was a kid. Total BULLSHIT. The Clintons thought is was damning enough to "ask" Wellesly to lock it away throughout Bill's presidency. I wonder if you would have the same "it's no big deal" attitude if a leading conservative wrote a 92 page thesis on the negative impact of the civil rights movement and how a segragated society was in the country's best interests. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #10 March 5, 2007 Quote...I think, more attention should be paid to what she has done as an adult... Absolutely. Surely ANY thesis on politics or society or international relations (no matter how well researched or reasoned) written in the light of what was happening in 1969 would only be good for a Roll-On-The-Floor-Laugh today. Times change, society changes, even political parties shift. At best her thesis is irrelevant (in all senses of the word). Why dig unless it's to try and rake up ancient irrelevant muck? Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #11 March 5, 2007 QuoteQuote...I think, more attention should be paid to what she has done as an adult... Absolutely. Surely ANY thesis on politics or society or international relations (no matter how well researched or reasoned) written in the light of what was happening in 1969 would only be good for a Roll-On-The-Floor-Laugh today. Times change, society changes, even political parties shift. At best her thesis is irrelevant (in all senses of the word). Why dig unless it's to try and rake up ancient irrelevant muck? Mike. _____________________________________ The 'muck-raking' just draws attention away from the real issues. All these campaigns wind-up to be just personality conflicts'. We don't really 'see' the person until they are in office. 9 out of 10 times... it's too late. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #12 March 5, 2007 Quote...Why dig unless it's to try and rake up ancient irrelevant muck? Because we're stupid freakin' AMERICANS and we demand our ounce of blood! Damned if you do, damned if you don't...Americans just want shit to stir and who gives a crap about truth or relevancy? We, as nation, think exactly what the news media wants us to think...Orwell's 1984 with a twist.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 94 #13 March 5, 2007 Why dig up a college thesis? Because it may show her political philosophy. If her philosophy is no longer represented by the thesis, then she has the opportunity to clearly say so, and can try to make her political opponents look childish. However, her opponents may claim that her thesis does show a philosophy that has persisted, and can try to show the parallels to her current actions and statements. To claim that her thesis is not relevant just because it was a long time ago is not reasonable, I think. Other politicians have had to be accountable for their past, why should Hillary be different?People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZJ 0 #14 March 5, 2007 No offence intended, but that sounds like grasping at straws to me. I'm a student at the moment (though not of politics) and my student work and I'm sure that of many others is written for one reason alone - to get the highest possible mark, and (sometimes) for the least possible effort. I'd hardly consider course essays to be deeply reflective pieces of work that indicated underlying philosophy. As for politicians being accountable, surely the only actions that are really relevant to accountability are those undertaken while in office? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,659 #15 March 5, 2007 QuoteWhy dig up a college thesis? Because it may show her political philosophy. If her philosophy is no longer represented by the thesis, then she has the opportunity to clearly say so, and can try to make her political opponents look childish. However, her opponents may claim that her thesis does show a philosophy that has persisted, and can try to show the parallels to her current actions and statements. To claim that her thesis is not relevant just because it was a long time ago is not reasonable, I think. Other politicians have had to be accountable for their past, why should Hillary be different? GWB has done a good job of having his records from the '60s and '70s sealed, I hear. He's also sealed records of the Reagan and Bush (41) administrations, by executive order.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 94 #16 March 5, 2007 QuoteNo offence intended, but that sounds like grasping at straws to me. I'm a student at the moment (though not of politics) and my student work and I'm sure that of many others is written for one reason alone - to get the highest possible mark, and (sometimes) for the least possible effort. I'd hardly consider course essays to be deeply reflective pieces of work that indicated underlying philosophy. As for politicians being accountable, surely the only actions that are really relevant to accountability are those undertaken while in office? Politicians from both sides of the aisle have attacked the other side's candidates on the basis of what they did in their youth, at least from their college days onward. That, 'surely', is the reality. To claim that it should be different for Hillary is not reasonable, I think. She can easily say that her professor was socialist, so she wrote a thesis that would appeal to him.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #17 March 5, 2007 QuoteQuoteWhy dig up a college thesis? Because it may show her political philosophy. If her philosophy is no longer represented by the thesis, then she has the opportunity to clearly say so, and can try to make her political opponents look childish. However, her opponents may claim that her thesis does show a philosophy that has persisted, and can try to show the parallels to her current actions and statements. To claim that her thesis is not relevant just because it was a long time ago is not reasonable, I think. Other politicians have had to be accountable for their past, why should Hillary be different? GWB has done a good job of having his records from the '60s and '70s sealed, I hear. Which records? Must be a day ending in "y". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #18 March 5, 2007 QuoteHe's also sealed records of the Reagan and Bush (41) administrations, by executive order. Good thing, because when Reagan and Bush (41) run for office again, it could be embarrassing to see those records. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZJ 0 #19 March 5, 2007 Quote Politicians from both sides of the aisle have attacked the other side's candidates on the basis of what they did in their youth, at least from their college days onward. That, 'surely', is the reality. To claim that it should be different for Hillary is not reasonable, I think. I've not claimed things should be different for Mrs Clinton, to be honest I'm just mindboggled by the meaninglessness of this whole affair. If she'd written a book, then fair enough, but a thesis or dissertation is little more than a mark-getting piece of academic make-work. QuoteShe can easily say that her professor was socialist, so she wrote a thesis that would appeal to him.Exactly, this is precisely why I can't understand why this is taken to be significant either way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #20 March 5, 2007 Quotea thesis or dissertation is little more than a mark-getting piece of academic make-work this one should be fun with the thin skinned acedemic crowd {{yes, miss. I'd like a medium bag of popcorn. OH, and extra Butterella oil simulant, please. Thank you}} ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 94 #21 March 5, 2007 Quote> She can easily say that her professor was socialist, so she wrote a thesis that would appeal to him. Exactly, this is precisely why I can't understand why this is taken to be significant either way. But she hasn't made that claim. I think her opponents are justified to attempt to make the case that her thesis still represents her political philosophy. Perhaps Hillary can easily disprove that, perhaps not. If a conservative candidate had written a thesis advocating the same principles as Milton Friedman, I think their liberal opponents would use it against them to show extremism, it wouldn't matter how long ago it was written. I think that is fair.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZJ 0 #22 March 5, 2007 QuoteQuotea thesis or dissertation is little more than a mark-getting piece of academic make-work this one should be fun with the thin skinned acedemic crowd {{yes, miss. I'd like a medium bag of popcorn. OH, and extra Butterella oil simulant, please. Thank you}}Heh, can you tell I've got a dissertation deadline of my own looming? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #23 March 5, 2007 QuoteHeh, can you tell I've got a dissertation deadline of my own looming? Keep it on the Q.T., it might affect your political aspirations. OR, make it outrageous and go straight in to Radio. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,659 #24 March 5, 2007 QuoteQuotea thesis or dissertation is little more than a mark-getting piece of academic make-work this one should be fun with the thin skinned acedemic crowd Why? When did an undergraduate thesis suddenly become a definitive truth? The purpose is to show an ability in critical thinking sufficient to earn a degree - nothing more.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZJ 0 #25 March 5, 2007 QuoteBut she hasn't made that claim. I think her opponents are justified to attempt to make the case that her thesis still represents her political philosophy. Perhaps Hillary can easily disprove that, perhaps not. If a conservative candidate had written a thesis advocating the same principles as Milton Friedman, I think their liberal opponents would use it against them to show extremism, it wouldn't matter how long ago it was written. I think that is fair.Fair enough, this sort of thing can certainly cut both ways. My view just comes from the fact that academic work (at least by long-ago undergrads) is so easily denied that it seems a flimsy basis to make any kind of case on, pro or anti. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites