Andy9o8 0 #1 February 15, 2007 http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2007/01/09/oliver-north-contradicts-joe-liebermans-account-of-commanders-opinions-of-surge/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.prospect.org%2Fhorsesmouth%2F2007%2F01%2Fpost_483.html&frame=true Quote More Troops = More Targets by Oliver North For months, advisers to President George W. Bush have been trying to convince the commander in chief that more U.S. troops in Iraq will improve prospects for victory. Senators John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), both recently returned from Iraq (and a courageous surprise stopover in Ramadi, capital of bloody Al Anbar Province) also support adding more American troops. Unfortunately, they are wrong. ... McCain and Lieberman talked to many of the same officers and senior NCOs I covered for FOX News during my most recent trip to Iraq. Not one of the soldiers, sailors, airmen, Guardsmen or Marines I interviewed told me that they wanted more U.S. boots on the ground. In fact, nearly all expressed just the opposite: "We don't need more American troops, we need more Iraqi troops," was a common refrain. They are right. ... A "surge" or "targeted increase in U.S. troop strength" or whatever the politicians want to call dispatching more combat troops to Iraq isn't the answer. Adding more trainers and helping the Iraqis to help themselves, is. Sending more U.S. combat troops is simply sending more targets. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #2 February 16, 2007 Not one single hit. I am chastened. What, does Ollie North's name not have any relevance any more to provide context? Too obscure? Maybe so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #3 February 16, 2007 QuoteNot one single hit. I am chastened. What, does Ollie North's name not have any relevance any more to provide context? Too obscure? Maybe so. Not obscure. I respect his opinion. I just disagree (having been to Ramadi myself).So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,426 #4 February 16, 2007 > Not one single hit. It's getting sort of hard to keep track of all the military leaders who think we're going in the wrong direction in Iraq. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #5 February 16, 2007 QuoteNot one single hit. I am chastened. What, does Ollie North's name not have any relevance any more to provide context? Too obscure? Maybe so. I swear, all that guy is interested in is cutting and running, demoralizing the troops, quitting, handing a victory to the terrorists, and undermining and bashing the president. Some patriot he is. I wonder if Hannity will tell him this next time he has him on the show Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #6 February 16, 2007 I think this is merely a case of Olliver North saying "I don't give a shit about them, let them all kill each other" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #7 February 16, 2007 QuoteI think this is merely a case of Olliver North saying "I don't give a shit about them, let them all kill each other" That's quite possible too, wouldn't be the first time for him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #8 May 10, 2007 I was about to post this link, but it would be a re-post. I think it's about time Iraqis were running the show themselves. edited to add link, because the original one doesn't work: (from a conservative website:) http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18797 Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #9 May 10, 2007 "More troops = more targets" Well, Ollie...you sure strained your brain to come up with that. DUHHHHHH! The Iraqis will NEVER be able to support themselves in any sane fashion...never, not in a million years. Soon as we leave, it will be a shoot-em-out free-for-all amongst all the head honcho wannabes.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #10 May 10, 2007 QuoteSoon as we leave, it will be a shoot-em-out free-for-all amongst all the head honcho wannabes. And the guys who will win will be the ones in black pajamas and flip-flops. An' it's 1, 2, 3, what are fightin' for? Don't ask me, I don't give damn. Next stop is good ol' Eye-ran... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,646 #11 May 10, 2007 "I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency." Dick Cheney, May 2005, on Larry King Live. Our so-called "leaders" are completely clueless.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #12 May 10, 2007 Quote "More troops = more targets" Well, Ollie...you sure strained your brain to come up with that. DUHHHHHH! The Iraqis will NEVER be able to support themselves in any sane fashion...never, not in a million years. Soon as we leave, it will be a shoot-em-out free-for-all amongst all the head honcho wannabes. whatever. are you suggesting we stay there for a million years?? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #13 May 10, 2007 What cares the wolf how many sheep there are? Old Arab saying.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #14 May 10, 2007 Quote The Iraqis will NEVER be able to support themselves in any sane fashion...never, not in a million years. Between the Mongols, the Ottomans, the British and the now the U.S they haven't really had a chance to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,426 #15 May 10, 2007 > What cares the wolf how many sheep there are? The predator dies when his prey leaves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZJ 0 #16 May 10, 2007 Or the predator follows the prey... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,426 #17 May 10, 2007 > Or the predator follows the prey... They've already done that. Along those lines, given that terrorists are certainly here in the US (several just tried to blow up Fort Dix) - are our troops better used as bullet sponges in Iraq, or defending our country from threats? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZJ 0 #18 May 10, 2007 To be perfectly honest, I don't know either way. My reply was more driven by thoughts of how silly policymaking-by-proverb is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #19 May 10, 2007 QuoteTo be perfectly honest, I don't know either way. My reply was more driven by thoughts of how silly policymaking-by-proverb is. http://www.amazon.com/Proverbs-Are-Best-Policy-American/dp/0874216222 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
