Calvin19 0 #1 December 5, 2006 this is a serious poll, not my normal 'just looking for attention' stuff i post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #2 December 5, 2006 Quotethis is a serious poll, not my normal 'just looking for attention' stuff i post. None of the above. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,167 #3 December 5, 2006 I'd have to disagree with the poster above, but I'd also want to have the option to have multiple answers. Because, well, more than one of those is true for some folks. And there are more answers out there. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #4 December 5, 2006 QuoteI'd have to disagree with the poster above, but I'd also want to have the option to have multiple answers. Because, well, more than one of those is true for some folks. And there are more answers out there. Wendy W. If you disagree with me, what's your choice? So far, the only ones answered are options 1 & 2. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #5 December 5, 2006 This might answer your question: http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/religion The word "religion" means far too many things for me to choose one of the options in your poll. Religion can be good or bad, or neither; it depends on what sort of religion you are referring to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,467 #6 December 5, 2006 Religion is organized belief in the supernatural. The additions of good/bad depend on what people do with that belief. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #7 December 5, 2006 I've viewed it as a code of ethics one chooses to follow to lead a good life, and depending on faith, get into heaven. Of course there is plenty of intrusion from the other factors you noted.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,167 #8 December 5, 2006 I'd only disagree with you in that "none of the above" is the right answer. Is there a single answer? Nope, not to me. It is a way that people use to assert domination over others; it is a good way (but not the only one) to teach civil values. It can give you the knowledge of God and Christ (which is pretty important for Christians). So those options (somewhat reworded) are true to one degree or another. I don't really think it's a joke (although Scientology comes close ), nor do I think it's a disease of mankind (but, again, when misused, it's not a good thing). So those options I disagree with. When I keep it to the concept of "religion" and not "the church I go to" it's a little easier to abstract the whole discussion to a higher level. What other things is it? It can be a way for people to fulfill their need to serve others; for people to build groups, support each other in positive ways, to incite others to violence, to build fortunes -- lots of things. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,467 #9 December 5, 2006 >I've viewed it as a code of ethics one chooses to follow to lead a good life . . . I'm not so sure about that. Atheists have codes of ethics as well. >and depending on faith, get into heaven. If it includes "to get into heaven" (supernatural reward) then I'd agree. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #10 December 5, 2006 Personally, I see spirituality as personal faith, and religion as all the rituals and trimmings that people attach to their faith. I think that oftentimes people become overly focused on the ritual (religion) and forget entirely about the meaning (spirituality). Religious rituals enable some people to feel righteous even if they're doing awful things. Religion, to some people, provides a checklist of "do this and enjoy the afterlife". Without spirituality/faith, simply going through the motions accomplishes nothing except allowing the person to feel better. Example: (a conversation I overheard in a coffeehouse a few weeks ago) I'm not sure what was said between these two before I sat down at the table behind them, but this is approximately what was said while I was there... Girl 1: But to get to heaven, you need to be saved, like me. Girl 2: But how can you possibly be saved if you're sleeping with your sister's husband? What about the whole sanctity of marriage thing? Girl 1: (shrug) Christians are forgiven. Girl 2: Doesn't that mean you're supposed to stop? Girl 1: As long as I've accepted Jesus as my personal lord and savior, I'm saved and forgiven. At this point, I took my coffee and left. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #11 December 5, 2006 I'm not prone to respond to threads with bible quotes, but I can't imagine I can say it better than Jesus did. Matthew 7:21-23 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #12 December 5, 2006 Religion is man's effort to make himself pleasing in God's sight. In other words, if I keep doing what I consider to be the right thing I'll get to heaven. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,673 #13 December 5, 2006 QuoteReligion is man's effort to make himself pleasing in God's sight. In other words, if I keep doing what I consider to be the right thing I'll get to heaven. That's a bit egocentric - are you God?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calvin19 0 #14 December 5, 2006 when someone asks you if your are a god, your say YES! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #15 December 5, 2006 That's my point. The girl in the coffeehouse was treating her religion as a checklist instead of as a guide for living. Go to church... check spread word to others... check accept jesus as lord... check accept jesus as savior... check ask forgiveness... check go to heaven... check. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #16 December 5, 2006 I understand your point. I'm merely stating according to JC they could be in for a BIG surprise. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwtom 0 #17 December 5, 2006 QuoteWhat Is Religion? a superfluous and unmotivated hypothesis Cheers, T ******************************************************************* Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #18 December 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhat Is Religion? a superfluous and unmotivated hypothesis Cheers, T unmotivated?? What planet are you from? steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwtom 0 #19 December 5, 2006 Quote unmotivated?? What planet are you from? what would be the motivation to claim such stuff ******************************************************************* Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #20 December 5, 2006 Quote>I've viewed it as a code of ethics one chooses to follow to lead a good life . . . I'm not so sure about that. Atheists have codes of ethics as well. I didn't say they didn't. I was simply pointing out that one's faith, guided by religion happens to be one way to live life.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #21 December 5, 2006 Quotewhat would be the motivation to claim such stuff Religous con men: money Mother Teresa: love Islamofacist: lots of virgins some christians: reward other christians: community even other christians: love of God Buddhist: one more chance to get it right witches: sex mormons: polygomy just kidding on some of them. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #22 December 6, 2006 Religion is man's effort to make himself pleasing in God's sight. In other words, if I keep doing what I consider to be the right thing I'll get to heaven. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QuoteThat's a bit egocentric - are you God? Nope. That's mankind's purpose for religion. Christians, on the other hand, know that they wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of making it into heaven without the finished work of Christ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #23 December 6, 2006 QuoteThat's my point. The girl in the coffeehouse was treating her religion as a checklist instead of as a guide for living. Go to church... check spread word to others... check accept jesus as lord... check accept jesus as savior... check ask forgiveness... check go to heaven... check. Maybe it was the twelve step program. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,673 #24 December 6, 2006 QuoteReligion is man's effort to make himself pleasing in God's sight. In other words, if I keep doing what I consider to be the right thing I'll get to heaven. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QuoteThat's a bit egocentric - are you God? Nope. That's mankind's purpose for religion. Christians, on the other hand, know that they wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of making it into heaven without the finished work of Christ. Oh. When you wrote "I", I thought just maybe you meant "I" and not "all of mankind". Silly of me. Christians, of course, don't "know", they have faith (belief without any proof).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smiles 0 #25 December 6, 2006 "a concept" SMileseustress. : a positive form of stress having a beneficial effect on health, motivation, performance, and emotional well-being. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites