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TheAnvil 0
I disagree completely. If your analogy with regards to the American revolution held water, then you could have told me that you indeed do think an Al Quaeda/Hezbollah/Hamas/Fatah lawyer would defend an Israeli or a US soldier in a court of law as Adams did for the redcoats in the Boston Massacre. You can't do so, because nobody would take you seriously. The terrorist shitheads breath, speak, communicate, grow body hair, and such. Other than minor such things, the resemblence with the American revolutionaries ends.
Odd you think Israel isn't interested in peace. Perhaps you missed the Sadat-Begin agreement or the offer Barak offered the terrorist Arafat at Camp David - which the terrorist rejected.
I maintain that Nasrallah's comments on the Israeli response indicate that it was a success. Should Hezbollah act similarly in the future, the Israelis should strike harder.
Odd you think Israel isn't interested in peace. Perhaps you missed the Sadat-Begin agreement or the offer Barak offered the terrorist Arafat at Camp David - which the terrorist rejected.
I maintain that Nasrallah's comments on the Israeli response indicate that it was a success. Should Hezbollah act similarly in the future, the Israelis should strike harder.
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zmusico 0
Interesting....for some of you all the ones who do not defend the American interests....are terrorists.
That is a very clear view definition of a "terrorist".
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That is a very clear view definition of a "terrorist".
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Odd you think Israel isn't interested in peace. Perhaps you missed the Sadat-Begin agreement or the offer Barak offered the terrorist Arafat at Camp David - which the terrorist rejected.
If you're interested in what they actually have to say on these matters I find it helpful to get it from the Palestinians as opposed to the interpretation provided through the media or SC.
snipped from http://palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-Remembered/Story416.html
and http://palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-Remembered/Story725.html
All Israelis, Zionists, and Americans must understand that no Arab leader could entertain the thought of such an offer, not even King Hussein himself when he was alive. From our point of view, anything is negotiable except for the Right of Return and East Jerusalem. What was offered at the failed Camp David summit is unacceptable to many Palestinians for the following reasons:
* The implementation of the Palestinian Right of Return, based on UN GA resolution 194, is THE KEY for ending the conflict. So any peace process that does not address the R.O.R. is nothing but a temporary cease fire, and the conflict eventually would flare up again. It should be emphasized that the majority of the Palestinian people are refugees, and for any agreement to hold, it must neutralize this vital political block.
* To even think that King Hussein and his grandfather King Abdullah refused to relinquish sovereignty over Jerusalem to the Israelis, and to expect the Palestinian people to do the exact opposite, is LUDICROUS. Keep in mind that it's a well known fact that the Hashemites has been a central factor in protecting Israel's interests even before its inception in 1948, This fact is rarely disputed among historians, click here to read more about the Hashemites role during the 1948 war.
* Jerusalem is extremely important from an Islamic point of view because it was the first Qibla before Mecca, and the third holiest site for Muslims after Mecca and Medina. Even if you disagree with this assessment, from a political point of view Jerusalem is the most unifying factor amongst Arabs and Muslims.
* Most Arabs cannot comprehend the thought that Arabs and Muslims fought so bravely to cleanse Jerusalem from the Crusaders, and to give it up on a silver platter to the Israeli Jews. It should be noted that hundreds of thousands of Arabs and Muslims died battling the Christian Crusaders between the 11th-13th centuries, for the sole purpose of cleansing the Holy Land from the Crusaders. Palestinians, Arabs, and Muslims often wonder where the Zionist Jews were when the Holy Land really needed their assistance during the Crusade genocide! Was Palestine a "Promised" or "non-Promised" Land, that is the question?
* According to Barak's offer, the proposed Palestinian areas would have been cut from East to West and from North to South, so that the Palestinian state would have consisted of a group of islands, each surrounded by Israeli settlers and soldiers. No sovereign nation would accept such an arrangement-that could hinder its strategic national security and interests, click here for a map illustration.
* It's not only that the future Palestinian state would have been completely demilitarized and Israeli early warning radar installation would have been installed deep in the Palestinian areas, but also its economical, social, and political relations with its neighboring Arab states would have been severely scrutinized by Israel as well.
Not in Arafat's defense, however, it's worth noting that he took a risky political decision when he signed the Oslo Agreement in 1993, even prior to receiving assurances that any UN resolution concerning Palestine would be implemented, not even one. Consequently, over seven years after Oslo, Arafat has little to show his people, especially after giving up so much upfront and in the Wye River Agreement. For example,
* The occupied West Bank and Gaza strip have more Israeli Jewish colonies and bypass roads than ever,
* Palestinian Arab Jerusalem is continuously being ethnically cleansed of its Palestinian population, and its Palestinian Arab identity is being stripped day by day,
* Unemployment has tripled, and above all
* Arafat appears increasingly to be an Israeli and American stooge, whose primary job is to control the Palestinian people the way Americans and Israelis see fit.
It's fundamentally wrong and very misleading to blame Arafat for the outbreak of resistance against the Israeli Occupation Forces in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Zionists often prefer to blame Arab leaders rather than tackling the core issues of the conflict, this is usually done for the purpose of buying time hoping that Palestinians would lose hope. The Oslo Agreement's fundamental flaw was that it had attempted to scratch the surface of the core issues of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, and not to necessarily solve them. Any agreement, similar to the Oslo Agreement, is destined for failure if it won't address the core issues of the conflict, such as the Palestinian Right of Return, the status of Jerusalem, water allocations, and the borders of the emerging states.
It is very possible that Palestinians and Israelis are not yet ripe for a final peace settlement, however, that is no excuse to accept any interim "peace agreement" that compromises critical Palestinian national interests. Until a fair and a just peace agreement comes up, which must address the core issues, both communities have to start educating themselves about the conflict and to hope for the best.
sundevil777 94
What bullshit.
GA resolutions are a dime a dozen, worthless.
Arafat's negotiators left with a deal they recommended to him, but he could not agree. Dennis Ross, head of the US team helping the negotiations, has made it clear which side backed out after all the other parties thought it was settled.
I wish I could find the text of some extended interviews that Mr. Ross gave concerning this subject exactly. I think I'll consider his take on events to be accurate for now.
GA resolutions are a dime a dozen, worthless.
Arafat's negotiators left with a deal they recommended to him, but he could not agree. Dennis Ross, head of the US team helping the negotiations, has made it clear which side backed out after all the other parties thought it was settled.
I wish I could find the text of some extended interviews that Mr. Ross gave concerning this subject exactly. I think I'll consider his take on events to be accurate for now.
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Michele 1
Arafat, the billionaire who left his people starving? Yeah, he was all about helping the Palestinians...
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sundevil777 94
QuoteArafat, the billionaire who left his people starving? Yeah, he was all about helping the Palestinians...
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I think all foreign aid to the PA should depend on Arafat's wife/estate matching the money.
People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
SkyDekker 1,145
QuoteArafat, the billionaire who left his people starving? Yeah, he was all about helping the Palestinians...
Kind of a simplistic view.
There are many very powerful families making absolute fortunes off the war efforts lead by Bush jr. How many of them are giving most of their money away to the homeless and needy? All the money spent on the war in Iraq could have done a lot of good in America itself and by all the information we have today, it is pretty clear that war was started on completely false pretenses and served absolutely no purpose in the war against terrorism.
Maybe you should look in your own backyard before condemning others?
sundevil777 94
QuoteQuoteArafat, the billionaire who left his people starving? Yeah, he was all about helping the Palestinians...
Kind of a simplistic view.
There are many very powerful families making absolute fortunes off the war efforts lead by Bush jr. How many of them are giving most of their money away to the homeless and needy? All the money spent on the war in Iraq could have done a lot of good in America itself and by all the information we have today, it is pretty clear that war was started on completely false pretenses and served absolutely no purpose in the war against terrorism.
Maybe you should look in your own backyard before condemning others?
Arafat skimmed aid money.
That simply does not compare to a company that makes a product or provides some service to our military.
HUGE difference.
People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
SkyDekker 1,145
QuoteThat simply does not compare to a company that makes a product or provides some service to our military.
HUGE difference.
Unless of course as a company to profit you have to be a "friend" of the administration to be able to do business.
sundevil777 94
QuoteQuoteThat simply does not compare to a company that makes a product or provides some service to our military.
HUGE difference.
Unless of course as a company to profit you have to be a "friend" of the administration to be able to do business.
But it isn't true.
The companies that are "friends" as you put it, have been doing that kind of work for a long time and got plenty of business during the Clinton Administration. There isn't a long list of companies that can viably compete for some of the big contracts. That doesn't mean there isn't corruption, but that is independent of what party is in the White House, I think.
People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
Then maybe the generals should resign or let the O5's run the war
I'd put more faith in E7's.
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