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mr2mk1g 10
As I said – Phalanx et al are not that good. That includes Aegis.
No one in their right mind actually expects Aegis to be able to intercept all incoming threats, especially not when were talking about the kind of anti-ship missiles Iran has – sea skimming Ruski ones doing Mac 2.5.
Modern Navies are highly vulnerable to missile attack, no matter advertising blurb you've read to the contrary.
It only takes 1 hit to take out 5 billion dollar nuclear carrier causing the loss hundreds if not thousands of lives as well as probably around 100 aircraft, costing how many hundred millions of dollars each? and with how many high tech ordinance costing how many dozens of millions of dollars each?
And they don't need to hit our subs to kill our guys - the surface ships will be quite enough cannon fodder.
I'm not in the slightest indicating that I think they'd win in the long run - just that they most certainly have the potential to give our combined naval forces in the area one hell of a blooding.
No one in their right mind actually expects Aegis to be able to intercept all incoming threats, especially not when were talking about the kind of anti-ship missiles Iran has – sea skimming Ruski ones doing Mac 2.5.
Modern Navies are highly vulnerable to missile attack, no matter advertising blurb you've read to the contrary.
It only takes 1 hit to take out 5 billion dollar nuclear carrier causing the loss hundreds if not thousands of lives as well as probably around 100 aircraft, costing how many hundred millions of dollars each? and with how many high tech ordinance costing how many dozens of millions of dollars each?
And they don't need to hit our subs to kill our guys - the surface ships will be quite enough cannon fodder.
I'm not in the slightest indicating that I think they'd win in the long run - just that they most certainly have the potential to give our combined naval forces in the area one hell of a blooding.
here is the scenario, Iran goes from scan to target mode and suddenly that array receives a GBU33 or 60 of them.
Ever see people run from a radar array?
Missile battery commanders facing us know they will die right after, if not before they launch.
Ever see people run from a radar array?
Missile battery commanders facing us know they will die right after, if not before they launch.
mr2mk1g 10
I wonder how often their target acquisition radars are on these days. I'd be surprised if the first time we saw their targeting radar is the first time they fire. I'd also bet we don't have standing orders to fire every time we see their radar switch to target mode.
Hell if we did there'd already be open war with China and Russia at the very least – such shenanigans have been commonplace in military standoffs since targeting radar was invented.
Hell if we did there'd already be open war with China and Russia at the very least – such shenanigans have been commonplace in military standoffs since targeting radar was invented.
bch7773 0
I'm guessing the stated objective would be to "destroy any nuclear facilities"
we would be able to do that fairly easily. Either with a commando raid or heavy bombing missions.
of course, we would be heavily criticized by the world, and inspire more terrorists to attack us. I don't think it would be worth it.
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we would be able to do that fairly easily. Either with a commando raid or heavy bombing missions.
of course, we would be heavily criticized by the world, and inspire more terrorists to attack us. I don't think it would be worth it.
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kallend 1,683
QuoteI'm guessing the stated objective would be to "destroy any nuclear facilities"
we would be able to do that fairly easily. Either with a commando raid or heavy bombing missions.
of course, we would be heavily criticized by the world, and inspire more terrorists to attack us. I don't think it would be worth it.
I expect it would be as easy as finding the Iraqi WMD facilities and finding Osama bin Laden were.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
I think the US would rather see Isreal and some of the more moderate states do its dirty work. Many middle eastern countries themselves are becoming alarmed at the growing regional power of Iran and themselves dont wish to see Iran develop a nuclear capability. So at a government/ " Regime " level in the middle east it would be acceptable to some countries . However the general population of those same states such as Suadi / Egypt wouldnt stomach it. While on one hand many Middle eastern governements might fear a " regime change " so would look to collaborate in some way ( as they are doing now with their " silence " ref Lebanon ) they would not risk civil unrest/ backlash and not do anything. Shia and Sunni would unite against the US. Its better for the US for Shia / Sunni to be killing each other as opposed to fighting the US together..
So who will attack Iran ?
Funnily enough Bush might have scored an own goal imposing a regime change ....sorry i do mean "democracy" in Iraq. Hes managed not only to increase the daily death tool in Iraq hugely but now has nobody but the Israelis to fight a proxy war.. (that and he has not knowing the region created a Sunni super middle east ) . Will Israel go after Iran , sponsor of Hezbolah ?? They might send a few cruise missiles into Iranian nuclear installations but i doubt they would get away with much more without a Sunni/ Shia backlash across the middle east. Then of course youd also be pissing of the chineese who might take a more proactive role in weapons supply like the russians in the 80s.. Putin is also the only guy talking to the Iranians,, would he support them .. hes winding the clock back re freedom of press / speech at home ,, would he help the Iranians with arms ??
The US would be very stupid to attack Iran.
So who will attack Iran ?
Funnily enough Bush might have scored an own goal imposing a regime change ....sorry i do mean "democracy" in Iraq. Hes managed not only to increase the daily death tool in Iraq hugely but now has nobody but the Israelis to fight a proxy war.. (that and he has not knowing the region created a Sunni super middle east ) . Will Israel go after Iran , sponsor of Hezbolah ?? They might send a few cruise missiles into Iranian nuclear installations but i doubt they would get away with much more without a Sunni/ Shia backlash across the middle east. Then of course youd also be pissing of the chineese who might take a more proactive role in weapons supply like the russians in the 80s.. Putin is also the only guy talking to the Iranians,, would he support them .. hes winding the clock back re freedom of press / speech at home ,, would he help the Iranians with arms ??
The US would be very stupid to attack Iran.
kallend 1,683
Irans' leaders may be crazy but they're not stupid. I do not for one moment believe that they have organized their nuclear and other critical facilities in such a way that an Osiraq type attack could take them out. We'd prolly take out an aspirin factory by mistake.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
Yeah and Aegis class frigates/cruisers won't see anything moving under their AO.
Plus I bet the Iranians can see our subs?
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