sfc 0 #1 March 29, 2006 Bush has done something that the bleeding heart leftists have been crying out for ages and increased the mgp requirements for SUVs and trucks. I was genuinely suprised by this and very pleased. http://www.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/03/29/fuel_economy.reut/index.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #2 March 29, 2006 It's all Karl Rove sleight-of-hand to appear to be compassionate conservatives (sorry for the oxymoron). Don't drink the kool-aid. Seriously? I guess a little is better than nothing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,648 #3 March 30, 2006 QuoteBush has done something that the bleeding heart leftists have been crying out for ages and increased the mgp requirements for SUVs and trucks. I was genuinely suprised by this and very pleased. http://www.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/03/29/fuel_economy.reut/index.html A stopped clock is right twice a day.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #4 March 30, 2006 sound be great for people who want to buy a simple 2wd pickup truck - they'll be trying to sell them by the trainload to offset the exxon valdez sized ones. some progress is better than others, but given the seriousness of this ongoing war, I'd be happier to see a much more severe push - 30+. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #5 March 30, 2006 I don't think anyone claims this is going to be an instant fix for our energy problem, but the thread title says it all, it's a step in the right direction. Now let's hope this administration and those that follow keep walking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,434 #6 March 30, 2006 >they'll be trying to sell them by the trainload to offset the exxon >valdez sized ones. Just give away a free Geo Metro with every Expedition purchase. Save the Expedition for climbing the local mountain, or taking all 17 of the Little Leaguers to the game, and use the Metro for commuting and shopping. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #7 March 30, 2006 QuoteQuoteBush has done something that the bleeding heart leftists have been crying out for ages and increased the mgp requirements for SUVs and trucks. I was genuinely suprised by this and very pleased. http://www.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/03/29/fuel_economy.reut/index.html A stopped clock is right twice a day. I think you can give up the pretense and just say "Nothing that Bush does is ever going to be right in my opinion." You bitched and moaned in the last thread about Bush not raising the numbers...now he does and you still bitch.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,648 #8 March 30, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteBush has done something that the bleeding heart leftists have been crying out for ages and increased the mgp requirements for SUVs and trucks. I was genuinely suprised by this and very pleased. http://www.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/03/29/fuel_economy.reut/index.html A stopped clock is right twice a day. I think you can give up the pretense and just say "Nothing that Bush does is ever going to be right in my opinion." You bitched and moaned in the last thread about Bush not raising the numbers...now he does and you still bitch. I just wrote that he is right on this - what is your complaint? He's just not correct as often as a stopped clock, which manages it twice a day.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #9 March 30, 2006 QuoteI just wrote that he is right on this - what is your complaint? He's just not correct as often as a stopped clock, which manages it twice a day. Ok... I guess the next post will be that he doesn't beat his wife anymore, then? That's the same type of content as your prior post, after all. Damning by faint praise != acknowledgement that he did something right.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,648 #10 March 30, 2006 QuoteQuoteI just wrote that he is right on this - what is your complaint? He's just not correct as often as a stopped clock, which manages it twice a day. Ok... I guess the next post will be that he doesn't beat his wife anymore, then? That's the same type of content as your prior post, after all. . I don't know about that, but I'm told he doesn't drive drunk any more and doesn't snort coke any more, so that's an improvement.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jduebi 0 #11 March 31, 2006 Bush in the right direction? Only he stumbles :-D So sorry, but US americans are often so naive. Ok perhaps that's the first thing your dictatureship (government) did against energy problem, but it's far away from calling it a right direction. Don't try to convice me that your government is a democracy, or that you'v got a good social system or something similar. I'm from switzerland, and damn you have no idea of what's democracy and freedom means... (that was off topic, I'm sorry, I get emotional about (against) the USA all the time) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #12 March 31, 2006 QuoteOk perhaps that's the first thing your dictatureship (government) did against energy problem . . . Don't worry! We'll just elect a new "dictature" in 2008. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jduebi 0 #13 March 31, 2006 QuoteDon't worry! We'll just elect a new "dictature" in 2008. Ok, if you tell me that Bush won the election fair... That will make it pretty hard for me to talk to any US american without a big grin. Oh and I think you realy should take a look on other countrys how to do ellections... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #14 March 31, 2006 QuoteOk, if you tell me that Bush won the election fair... ZZZZZzzzzz....... . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,434 #15 March 31, 2006 >sound be great for people who want to buy a simple 2wd pickup truck . . . Yes, that's one of the good things about CAFE increases. The smaller, most efficient cars get cheaper, which a) makes them more affordable to low income people and b) gets more efficient cars on the road. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #16 March 31, 2006 Quote>sound be great for people who want to buy a simple 2wd pickup truck . . . Yes, that's one of the good things about CAFE increases. The smaller, most efficient cars get cheaper, which a) makes them more affordable to low income people and b) gets more efficient cars on the road. and also gives govt. a new way to tax cars based on miles driven. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,434 #17 March 31, 2006 >and also gives govt. a new way to tax cars based on miles driven. Not a new way. They could have done that at any time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,648 #18 March 31, 2006 Quote>and also gives govt. a new way to tax cars based on miles driven. Not a new way. They could have done that at any time. Already do it in Illinois (and many other states). It's called a toll-road.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfc 0 #19 March 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteBush has done something that the bleeding heart leftists have been crying out for ages and increased the mgp requirements for SUVs and trucks. I was genuinely suprised by this and very pleased. http://www.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/03/29/fuel_economy.reut/index.html A stopped clock is right twice a day. Ha, Bush never gets it right that often, I think a better analogy would be a calendar stuck on feb 29th. Seriously though it was a good thing increasing the limits, I think the energy crisis has reached proportions so that even the most knuckle headed right wingers see that there is a problem. I just hope this desire to fix the problem is not a once off wonder. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #20 April 1, 2006 Of course, the Dept of Trans needs to actually have a realistic way to test vehicles' mpg. The way they do it now, it's practically done in a void. Automakers Toyota and Honda have refused for years to post the EPA mpg readings for their own vehicles because they were so innaccurate to what would be "practical" world use. So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #21 April 1, 2006 QuoteBush has done something that the bleeding heart leftists have been crying out for ages and increased the mgp requirements for SUVs and trucks. I was genuinely suprised by this and very pleased. http://www.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/03/29/fuel_economy.reut/index.html Yes, and this undo's the 4 trillion $ increase in the debt, the mass damage he's done to the ecology via lower air standards during the 1st 5 years, damage to medicare via privatization, and whole plethera of other goodies I don't care to list.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,434 #22 April 1, 2006 >Yes, and this undo's the 4 trillion $ increase in the debt, the mass > damage he's done to the ecology via lower air standards during the 1st 5 >years, damage to medicare via privatization, and whole plethera of other >goodies I don't care to list.... Nope. Still a good thing, though. (And in terms of the environment, he did sign the diesel emissions reduction bill, one of the more important pieces of environmental regulation in the past decade.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #23 April 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteBush has done something that the bleeding heart leftists have been crying out for ages and increased the mgp requirements for SUVs and trucks. I was genuinely suprised by this and very pleased. http://www.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/03/29/fuel_economy.reut/index.html Yes, and this undo's the 4 trillion $ increase in the debt, the mass damage he's done to the ecology via lower air standards during the 1st 5 years, damage to medicare via privatization, and whole plethera of other goodies I don't care to list.... Care to enlighten the rest of us as to this "lower air standards bill" that he supposedly signed? I'd like to see the text of it.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,434 #24 April 1, 2006 >Care to enlighten the rest of us as to this "lower air standards bill" The "clear skies" act allowed power plants to not correct their emissions violations when they upgrade their equipment. This is the "new source review" issue that's been going on forever (or at least since the 1970's) The Clear Skies act allowed most power plants to keep operating at high emissions levels that were in violation of the 1970's Clean Air act. The "Clear Skies" act will result in lower emissions than if you just got rid of the New Source Rewiew completely, but will result in dirtier air than if you just enforced the Clean Air act. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #25 April 1, 2006 Googling the "Clear Skies Act" took me to information from the EPA that says it would result in 70% reductions in sulfur oxides, nitrogen oxides and mercury - how is that "operating at high emissions levels" if there's a 70% reduction? Since the new source review has been around as long as the Clean Air Act, responsibility would fall equally on all the prior administrations for not gutting that language...but that would ruin a perfectly good Bush-bash for Lucky, wouldn't it?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
