England & Criminal Violence

[JohnRich 4]

News:

Alarming Rise in Use of Weapons

VIOLENT crime is continuing to rise across the United Kingdom and the use of guns and weaponry is becoming almost "commonplace", according to new Home Office figures.

Weapons including knives, clubs, firearms, stones and glasses or bottles were used in 24 per cent of violent incidents in 2004-05 – up from 21 per cent the previous year. All categories measured by the British Crime Survey, which interviews thousands of people about their experiences of crime, showed a rise of between one and six per cent. Weapons were used in 26 per cent of common assaults, up from 20 per cent.

Home Office figures published in July showed that violence against the person incidents recorded by police in England and Wales have topped one million for the first time.

Total recorded violent crime – including sexual offences and robbery – stood at 1,184,702 in 2004-05, up seven per cent year on year.

Source: Yorkshire Post

Yeah, that gun confiscation did wonders to the violent crime rate!

[markd_nscr986 0]

Damn English.............

Let's put the Welsh in charge of that bloody country

They certainly couldnt do any worse

Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004

[AlexCrowley 0]

I dont think that's the argument used.

I think it's homicide rate.

Of course, that might be a little hard to get your head around.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[shropshire 0]

Wow.... yet another.... what is your fixation with a sceptred isle?


Also ... stuff recorded by the Police - Now that was a crime against humanity... Isn't Sting an Arse?


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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Scoop 0]

Not bad considering the population is always increasing. Even in one year the little innocent kids have turned into assholes. Havent you seen Kevin & Perry!? Also the way crime has recorded has changed now so if someone farts in the direction of someone else and rings up, we have to record it.

And for your information.... the term common assault in British law is like for example someone has grabbed someone and it hasnt caused any injury.

So quite how you can have a common assualt with a weapon I dont know. I guess our offenders are too lazy to swing/stab/punch nowadays.

Plus if you look at which percentage of them were truly serious assaults, ie life changing or life threatening. It would be a tiny amount. If I carried a gun and shot someone everytime I got threatened or felt in danger, Id have a higher body count than Rambo

[DZJ 0]

Given how broad that definition of 'weapons' is, I wouldn't lay much weight on it.

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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Wow.... yet another.... what is your fixation with a sceptred isle?

Could be the fact that people (there and here) are trying to foist their kind of gun ban on us here -- and trying to convince our people to support and embrace it as a crime/violence/homicide reduction solution.

And it's a bullshit solution that is making things worse.

And we don't want to see it gain a foothold here where we still have our right to self defense.


Sorry, John, didn't mean to speak for you...


-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[shropshire 0]

So, are you suggesting that the American Right to own guns lobby, is worried by us Brits not being armed? or is it just an act of Trolling?

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Scoop 0]

I dont give a fuck how many Americans kill each other. Let them, it is their right after all.

Im neither for or against, but dont make out we care

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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So, are you suggesting that the American Right to own guns lobby, is worried by us Brits not being armed? or is it just an act of Trolling?

If we were concerned about the right to bear arms only for Americans, we'd be accused of being hypocrites -- especially since we assert that the right to defensive arms is a human right.

I'm concerned, yes, for the Brits who had their property forcibly confiscated under penalty of imprisonment for failure to surrender their guns. The policy does not -- CANNOT -- make a society safer. It's a huge lie.

What we're "worried" about is that stupidity from your society can be exported, and some in this country appear ready to welcome the infectious idiocy that is British gun control (which doesn't seem to be controlling a fuck of a lot except for law-abiding peoples' guns, which they weren't going to use against anybody criminally anyway).



-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[JohnRich 4]

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Not bad considering the population is always increasing.

It's not increasing as fast as the crime rate. And that would only be a factor on the absolute numbers, anyway. It has no bearing on the crime rate, which is a percentage per 100,000 population, and factors out the population change.

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Even in one year the little innocent kids have turned into assholes.

Yes, but at the same time, older kids should be growing out of their crime-prone years. But these statistics seem to indicate you've got more new punks getting into crime, then there are older punks getting out of crime.

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Also the way crime has recorded has changed

Yeah, the Brit crime apologists have been using that excuse for about seven years now, even though the changes have long since become the norm. The comparison in this news story is from last year, and there haven't been any recording changes in the last year. You guys really need to quit excusing your serious problem with that line.

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if you look at which percentage of them were truly serious assaults, ie life changing or life threatening. It would be a tiny amount.

Any assault with a gun, knife or club, any rape, any robbery, is a serious event which will scar the victim.

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If I carried a gun and shot someone everytime I got threatened or felt in danger, Id have a higher body count than Rambo

Your personal experience is not a positive testament to the safety of British society. Here in Houston, the fourth largest city in America, it is an extremely rare event for me to feel threatened or endangered.

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Not bad considering the population is always increasing.

It's not increasing as fast as the crime rate. And that would only be a factor on the absolute numbers, anyway. It has no bearing on the crime rate, which is a percentage per 100,000 population.

Isn't it amazing when people try to make you look foolish or wrong, but the only reason they think they're right is a fundamental failure to understand something crucial to the discussion?


-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[JohnRich 4]

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what is your fixation with a sceptred isle?

Are you Brits still allowed to own scepters? You could hurt someone with those things.

Not to fear though. I'm sure new laws giving stiffer penalties for possession of replica guns or knives will clear this problem up pronto.

Then you can go back to being the peaceful British Isles again, as advertised in the tourist brochures.

[JohnRich 4]

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Given how broad that definition of 'weapons' is, I wouldn't lay much weight on it.

Whatever the definition is, crime with them is up 3% just since last year. And you don't consider that troubling?

If some thug threatened to cut you up with a broken bottle, that wouldn't be a big deal to you?

[JohnRich 4]

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I dont give a fuck how many Americans kill each other. Let them, it is their right after all. Im neither for or against, but dont make out we care

I can feel the love!

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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what is your fixation with a sceptred isle?

Are you Brits still allowed to own scepters? You could hurt someone with those things.

Not the commoners. Only the elite lords and ladies are still permitted CCS (concealed-carry scepters).

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Not to fear though. I'm sure new laws giving stiffer penalties for possession of replica guns or knives will clear this problem up pronto.

LOL!! But no it won't, because then the thugs will just find angled sticks, paint them black (or silver), and rob people with those... until a law is passed banning sticks painted black (or silver). Of course, then they'll just carve soap... But what I hear is in Europe there's not much call to ban soap, since it's hardly ever used anyway.


-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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What we're "worried" about is that stupidity from your society can be exported, and some in this country appear ready to welcome the infectious idiocy that is British gun control (which doesn't seem to be controlling a fuck of a lot except for law-abiding peoples' guns, which they weren't going to use against anybody criminally anyway).

Will you ever be able to stop whining about the UKs gun rules, you should try it will make you a happier person in the long run
In case you didn't know, no-one in the UK gives a soggy shit about the views of americans like you or John when it comes to gun control, your views are regarded as would be the rantings of a crazy man, so you may as well save your words for something else.

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

By Jove, you're right!
Instead, I can bitch about your atrocious grammar and sentence structure!

-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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In case you didn't know, no-one in the UK gives a soggy shit about the views of americans like you or John when it comes to gun control, your views are regarded as would be the rantings of a crazy man, so you may as well save your words for something else.

Your attitude toward minorities is appalling.
Do you maintain that there were zero gun owners who DID want to be able to keep their guns, who were basically trodden upon by the majority getting its way?

I'm sure there are a lot of anti-gay people in the U.S. and elsewhere who would love to hear that they can just say Fuck You to any minority that wants to insist on having its rights uninfringed.

You callously act as though no one was forced to abide by a law that they didn't feel was right -- a bigoted statement based simply on the fact that you couldn't give a shit about gun ownership.

May you one day find yourself pressed by a law that others wanted, because they had no sympathy for something YOU wanted to be allowed to legally do. Maybe then you'll understand.


-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[pincheck 0]

No i think john just gets pissed when nobody bites

There is just to much of a historical difference as far as guns go between the Uk and states, just a fact.

To be honest guns have never been that big a thing in the uk even pre Dunblane.In the states its more a way of life your choice your society that doesn,t make it better or worse just different. The politicians here decided that for them a total ban was in order. I don't think that would work across in the states.

As for your argument on minorities Jeffrey thats called democracy,you know vote for government based on policies. its in short supply these days but hey a perfect society would be called Eutopia/Eaden or is that pie in the sky.

just keep bummping the thread up

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[peacefuljeffrey 0]

We live in a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy; minorities are supposed to be protected against abuse and tyranny by the majority.


-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[miked10270 0]

Excuse me while I try & get ma heid around this...

As John rightly points out - the draconian restrictions on firearms ownership in England have had no effect on the use of clubs, stones, glasses & bottles in the commission of COMMON assaults in England. Common Assault (occasioning no harm or injury in English Law) with a firearm beggars belief! It suggests someone being shot at with a BB gun & hit on clothing (!!!) to their non-injury.

Then Mark suggestsd putting the Welsh in charge!!! Have you ever seen The Welsh Assembly in action!?

Shortly thereafter comes the "Conspiracy Theorists" who think Britain wants to take over America!. For the avoidance of doubt; AMERICA has Michael Jackson, George Bush, James Brown, Catherine Zeta Jones, All of Congress & The Senate, not to mention approximately 134% of the world's LAWYERS! America having 80% of the worlds privately held guns is a minor point. It works out at something like 1 American Gun per 12,855 American Lawyers!

Y'All c'n Relax. We don't want America! We honestly couldn't be bothered trying to fix it... Not after 230 years of neglect! YOU'SE fix it. If you do a good enough job then (maybe) we'll take over again.
Getting back on topic... There IS a difference in attitude to firearms between The UK & The US. Median Britons look at firearms and think "Tool" & "Need" & "Use". Median Americans look at firearms and think "Toy" & "Want" & "Play". This may explain why most Americans go off like 3-Year-Olds if they think their favourite toy's going to get taken away from them!?

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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Getting back on topic... There IS a difference in attitude to firearms between The UK & The US. Median Britons look at firearms and think "Tool" & "Need" & "Use".

Well, the more your criminals USE the guns they keep getting illegally, the more you're going to NEED the same TOOLS to put a stop to the rampant criminal attacks you're going to suffer.


-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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By Jove, you're right!
Instead, I can bitch about your atrocious grammar and sentence structure!

-Jeffrey

If that is what it takes to give you a boner...

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We live in a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy; minorities are supposed to be protected against abuse and tyranny by the majority.


-Jeffrey

The UK is a democracy, with a lifetime head of state (aka Monarch), it is not a republic, perhaps you would like to see that changed as well, or maybe you just didn't know about it, where did you go to school, did you major in ID?