kallend 1,644 #1 April 15, 2005 www.berkshireeagle.com/Stories/0,1413,101~6267~2817727,00.html An American Terrorist Eric Robert Rudolph is an American terrorist. He set off bombs in public to hurt and kill innocent people in order to make a political point: to "confound, anger and embarrass" the United States government for its legal sanction of abortion. He killed two people, injured at least 120 more and effectively terrorized everyone in three states. He pleaded guilty to his crimes this week with a hysterical, rambling 11-page manifesto expressing his various and profound hatreds for abortionists, government officials, gays, adherents of global socialism, the Olympics and John Lennon. The closest he came to an apology was an acknowledgment that setting off bombs in public places exposed civilians to risk. "There is no excuse for this, and I accept full responsibility for the consequences of using this dangerous tactic." This "dangerous tactic," also known as murder, is expressly forbidden by the commandment handed down to Moses on Sinai, a document and a tradition Mr. Rudolph professes to revere. One group, the Sanctity of Life Ministries, condemned "the use of violence to overcome the violence of abortion," but the rest of the "right to life" movement is as quiet as it has been on such issues of life and death as capital punishment, the war in Iraq and the U.S. infant mortality rate, highest in the developed world. Where are the holy men who rushed to Terri Schiavo's bedside, Randall Terry and the rest, and the priests who lecture us on the sanctity of all life, even stem cells? Mr. Rudolph's manifesto echoes themes more temperately expressed in respectable publications and Web sites. Are they at all embarrassed by this terrorism perpetrated in their cause? Where is the president and his "culture of life?" Has he forgotten there's a war on against terror? Curiously, the Justice Department allowed Mr. Rudolph to plead guilty and avoid the death sentence that in other circumstances the feds have been quite energetic in pursuing. The official explanation was that a trial and a death sentence would have made a "martyr" of this man, who as a high-profile fugitive for five years eluded a giant manhunt and became something of a folk hero in rural Appalachia. But questions will go unanswered that a trial might have resolved. Did Mr. Rudolph think up the idea of becoming a "pro-life" killer all by himself, or did others influence his thinking? He said in his statement he had no ties to the fascist Christian Identity movement. Is that really the case? Did he build, plant and detonate his bombs all by himself, or did he have assistance and support? It's comforting to think Mr. Rudolph was a lone zealot, unless he wasn't. Without a trial, we'll never know. Maybe the prosecutors thought they couldn't get him and so opted for an easy plea. But there are powerful people for whom the spectacle of an unrepentant murderer for the unborn, a clean-cut movie star handsome Christian terrorist, posed political problems. Better to defend life in the abstract, keep the focus on the enemy at the gates and keep skeletons like Eric Rudolph locked up in the closet.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #2 April 15, 2005 Tying this guy to either political party is ludicrous, and it's childishly inflammatory to title the thread like you did. It's obvious he's opposed to both mainstream left and mainstream right. If some asshat spits on your son for being in the military, would you say the "Left" is out of control? I wouldn't, but I'd have some choice words for the spitter as an individual. I've said it before, it's just plain lazy and wrong to sit and put people into their little stereotyped boxes. If the rest of your content is true, I hope Mr. Eric R Rudolph never gets out. Frankly, I doubt he can be rehabilitated, therefore he's a future threat to society and should be killed. Maybe some demographic can be blamed to assuage the outrage in this. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #3 April 15, 2005 the starter in my truck broke; therefore, the left is out of control!! "Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #4 April 15, 2005 The guy was caught, admitted what he did, plea bargained so he spends the rest of his life in jail. What outpouring of rage are we supposed to have? I'm glad he got life and not death, because I'm opposed to the death penalty. Mr. Rudolph doesn't merit any attention. Let him seep like the human debris he is, quietly into the bowels of the American prison system never to heard from again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #5 April 15, 2005 One can almost taste the arrogance and bigotry of the author of this piece. Disgusting. Ditto what rehmwa said. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #6 April 15, 2005 A real American terrorist would have left a copy of the Bible in a titty bar and taken himself out with his victims.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #7 April 15, 2005 Hmmm... Interesting post. I suppose that "Only in America" could you get a "Pro-Life Terrorist Murderer"! Similarly, "Pro-Life Terrorist Organisations". Are Kallend & I alone in seeing the fundamental schism of such an activity? Mike. Edited to add: Now that American-European relations have improved, one wonders if the French & Germans will join in a "Coalition-of-the-Satirical" and invade Appalacia? They have WMDs (Women of MasseD inbreeding) Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #8 April 15, 2005 It’s a lot easier to hate someone that you can not relate to . Therefor it is easy to say kill the terrorist as long as the terrorist are not white. If they turn out to be white or one of your own (whoever you might be) then we tend to think there must be a reason he/she did it. We can’t just write them off as crazy as easily as we do with others. Most humans are arrogant we tend to think we (or are group of people that we relate to) are better then others. So we can’t just write it off as easy as we would lets say a crazy Muslim suicide bomber. I don’t think it’s right and wish people could see both sides of every coin not just the ones there familiar with.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #9 April 15, 2005 QuoteWhere is the president and his "culture of life?" Heading the executive branch, whose sub-agencies, the FBI and the US Attorney's office, put him behind bars for a very long time. I believe that the author would have made his point had Bush pardoned Rudolph of any federal charges. QuoteWithout a trial, we'll never know. I always thought that the purpose of a criminal trial was to determine guilt. Here, the Bush Administration is being called to task for not using trials for the purposes of a fishing expedition. This is inappropriate to the Nth degree. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #10 April 15, 2005 Your subject title is a joke......right?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #11 April 15, 2005 I think this guy goes way beyond the boundaries of left/right and into the realm of fanatics and extremists. This isn't a view that most right wingers or Christians hold, just like most Muslims didn't support the terrorism of 9/11. When we get out onto the radical fringe of a party or a religion, we're not dealing with the majority any more, we're dealing with radical groups and individuals that do not generally speak for the whole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinMcGuire 0 #12 April 15, 2005 One group, the Sanctity of Life Ministries, condemned "the use of violence to overcome the violence of abortion," but the rest of the "right to life" movement is as quiet as it has been on such issues of life and death as capital punishment, the war in Iraq and the U.S. infant mortality rate, highest in the developed world. Where are the holy men who rushed to Terri Schiavo's bedside, Randall Terry and the rest, and the priests who lecture us on the sanctity of all life, even stem cells? Mr. Rudolph's manifesto echoes themes more temperately expressed in respectable publications and Web sites. Are they at all embarrassed by this terrorism perpetrated in their cause? Where is the president and his "culture of life? ---------------------------------------------------------- Let me see if I have this correct. You want the president to kill only when it suits you? Perhaps you should fill out a job application to become one of his top aids. Then maybe he'll get it right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #13 April 15, 2005 Quote Where are the holy men who rushed to Terri Schiavo's bedside, Randall Terry and the rest, and the priests who lecture us on the sanctity of all life, even stem cells? No cameras around all day like with Schiavo, so they're not there. If they were going to execute him though, they'd be the first ones on camera speaking out against it. Damn media whores. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #14 April 15, 2005 QuoteIt’s a lot easier to hate love someone that you can not relate to . Therefor it is easy to say kill understand the terrorist as long as the terrorist are not white Arabs. If they turn out to be white Arabs or one of your own (whoever you might be) then we tend to think there must be a reason he/she did it. We can’t just write them off as crazy Freedom Fighters as easily as we do with others. Most humans are arrogant we tend to think we (or are group of people that we relate to) are better then others. So we can’t just write it off as easy as we would lets say a crazy Muslim suicide bomber Freedom Fighter. I don’t think it’s right and wish people could see both sides of every coin not just the ones there familiar with. There, fixed it for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #15 April 15, 2005 Thank you. You are corrected freedom fighter in some occasions. Not all but some. It's good to see you are opening your mind a bit. It all starts with small steps I am so proud of you.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #16 April 15, 2005 QuoteThank you. You are corrected freedom fighter in some occasions. Not all but some. It's good to see you are opening your mind a bit. It all starts with small steps I am so proud of you. This is the funniest statement I've read in quite a while. bwahahahah............ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #17 April 15, 2005 QuoteQuoteThank you. You are corrected freedom fighter in some occasions. Not all but some. It's good to see you are opening your mind a bit. It all starts with small steps I am so proud of you. This is the funniest statement I've read in quite a while. bwahahahah............ At least we agree on one thingI'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #18 April 15, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteThank you. You are corrected freedom fighter in some occasions. Not all but some. It's good to see you are opening your mind a bit. It all starts with small steps I am so proud of you. This is the funniest statement I've read in quite a while. bwahahahah............ At least we agree on one thing I doubt it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #19 April 15, 2005 You say you like riding your Harley. I love riding bikes to. There you see something we can agree on. Riding motorcycles is fun. I don’t want you to digress after the huge breakthrough you just had.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #20 April 15, 2005 QuoteTying this guy to either political party is ludicrous, and it's childishly inflammatory to title the thread like you did. It's obvious he's opposed to both mainstream left and mainstream right. I agree with you. You see...Kallend doesn't see it that way because he's hanging off the extreme liberal left by his fingernails. {he's a college professor; who would have thought?} Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #21 April 15, 2005 So how does this mean the right wing did this? Unless you know that the Judge, the DA's office, all of the Justice Department,...ect are ALL right wingers... This is just an inflamatory post of pure drivel."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,644 #22 April 15, 2005 Quote This is just an inflamatory post of pure drivel. Really? ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #23 April 15, 2005 QuoteYou say you like riding your Harley. I love riding bikes to. There you see something we can agree on. Riding motorcycles is fun. I don’t want you to digress after the huge breakthrough you just had. Re-read what I wrote and think satire. Sorry to burst your bubble, but there was no breakthrough, I was poking at you. Glad you like riding motorcycles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #24 April 15, 2005 I know what you were doing manI was just messin with you also. I know you did not have a breakthrough, but hey we can still have fun and not agree. Have a good weekend DariusI'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #25 April 15, 2005 QuoteI know what you were doing manI was just messin with you also. I know you did not have a breakthrough, but hey we can still have fun and not agree. Have a good weekend Darius I will. I just got my new Safire2 yesterday and I plan on putting a few jumps on it this weekend. Ah.. riding my bike to the DZ, getting a few jumps in and then riding back home. Doesn't get much better does it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites