tunaplanet 0 #76 December 6, 2004 QuoteTell me again how we're doing both so successfully? We are doing both successfully. You can paste links to articles of people's opinions all you want. Doesn't change anything. How many days in the military did you spend? How many years did you spend of your life working for Disney? Anyone can copy and paste. What I'm looking for is a sign of an intelligent argument as to why some feel we are spread too thin. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #77 December 7, 2004 How about the use of reserves and national guard troops instead of regular troops? How about the use of the stop loss program? Combine the two and isn't that pretty much all the "proof" that is required to demonstrate that we're spread to thin? These were never intended to be used except in times of staffing crisis.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #78 December 7, 2004 QuoteThese were never intended to be used except in times of staffing crisis. Try again. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #79 December 7, 2004 Really? Then illuminate me. Why was the stop loss program created? When has it ever been used?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,635 #80 December 7, 2004 QuoteQuoteThese were never intended to be used except in times of staffing crisis. Try again. They withdrew most of my son's brigade from (just south of) the DMZ in Korea to send them to Iraq. I suppose you're now going to tell us that N. Korea is no longer considered a threat, now that it has nukes.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #81 December 7, 2004 QuoteHow about the use of reserves and national guard troops instead of regular troops? How about the use of the stop loss program? Combine the two and isn't that pretty much all the "proof" that is required to demonstrate that we're spread to thin? These were never intended to be used except in times of staffing crisis. Hi Quade Sorry but i agree with youBut you left out two major indications that we're spead to thin. Calling up people in the "inactive" reserves. Extending tours of duty for US forces in Iraq. R.I.P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #82 December 7, 2004 QuoteBut you left out two major indications that we're spead to thin. Calling up people in the "inactive" reserves. Extending tours of duty for US forces in Iraq. R.I.P Then there is this: http://cnn.aimtoday.cnn.com/news/world.jsp QuoteSoldiers Challenge Enlistment Extensions By SAM HANANEL WASHINGTON (AP) - An Army specialist, saying it was ``a question of fairness,'' filed a lawsuit Monday with seven other soldiers challenging a policy forcing them to serve in Iraq beyond their terms of enlistment. ``I served five months past my one-year obligation and I feel that it's time to let me go back to my wife,'' David Qualls told a news conference. Qualls and seven other reserve members filed a suit in federal court seeking a judge's order to require the Army to immediately release them from service. Other soldiers have filed similar suits over the past year, but this was believed to be the first by active duty service members. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #83 December 7, 2004 QuoteQuoteTell me again how we're doing both so successfully? We are doing both successfully. You can paste links to articles of people's opinions all you want. Doesn't change anything. How many days in the military did you spend? How many years did you spend of your life working for Disney? Anyone can copy and paste. What I'm looking for is a sign of an intelligent argument as to why some feel we are spread too thin. Hi Tuna Just answer the points we've already raised? We have already asked you this at least 3 times and all you want to you is argue and avoid the questions. Remember Baghdad Bob? If your puting all you faith in what Mr Rumsfeld says about our troop strength fine just tell us. Forty one R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #84 December 7, 2004 QuoteHow about the use of reserves and national guard troops instead of regular troops? This has been part of our war fighting doctrine for a long, long time... just look at operations in the Balkins. QuoteHow about the use of the stop loss program? Stop loss was meant to maintain manning during times of crisis, and has been used on several occations since GW-I, usually on a selective basis. And remember, those being "stop-lossed" still have service obligations as part of their contracts. Call up of members of the IRR has also been part of our doctrine for a long time... and has been used on several occations during various operations, again, usually on a selective basis, for specialized skills... that is why it exists... If you don't want to get called, get out of the IRR... if you can't get out its because you still have an obligation, it was part of the contract you signed. QuoteCombine the two and isn't that pretty much all the "proof" that is required to demonstrate that we're spread to thin? I disagree that those two items are proof, in and of themselves, that we are spread too thin. QuoteThese were never intended to be used except in times of staffing crisis. These were always intended to be used in times of conflict. Now, having said all that, I agree that the current OPTEMPO is begining to stretch the military, if not the soldiers, then the families, and that affects readiness... but that has been the case since we reapped the "peace dividend" after the wall came down... JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #85 December 7, 2004 Enjoy http://www.defenselink.mil/execsec/adr_intro.htmlwww.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #86 December 7, 2004 Quote We are doing both successfully. Apparently the CIA doesn't seem to agree with you. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6665231/ QuoteReport: CIA offers bleak Iraq assessment Classified cable described as 'unusually candid' NEW YORK - The situation in Iraq is unlikely to improve anytime soon, according to a classified cable and briefings from the Central Intelligence Agency, the New York Times reported Tuesday. The assessments are more pessimistic than the Bush administration’s portrayal of the situation to the public, government officials told the newspaper. The classified cable — sent last month by the CIA’s station chief in Baghdad after the completion of a one-year tour of duty there — painted a bleak picture of Iraq’s politics, economics and security and reiterated briefings by Michael Kostiw, a senior CIA official, according to the Times. At least he gets to go home after his one year tour of duty._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
