captainpooby 0 #26 December 9, 2003 QuoteAh yes.. political correctness... from the same wonderful people that brought you the Soviet Union and the ideals of Marxist/Lennonism! Beautiful, well said. The thought police are here, just a little late for Mr. Orwell. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,454 #27 December 9, 2003 > from the same wonderful people that brought you the Soviet Union > and the ideals of Marxist/Lennonism! Hard to figure out who you're going after here. The liberal wing of the Russian government is now the pro-Western side; the conservative wing is the communist. The pro-Kremlin party (i.e. Putin's party) won big in the recent election, which is a potential problem for the US - Putin almost certainly abused the power of his position to win the election, and the country may well be moving towards a new more-totalitarian government. Which leaves people with a new problem - which party do you choose to hate nowadays? The liberals, the communists or the totalitarians? I suppose you could just hate all russians. Worked well in the 50's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nathaniel 0 #28 December 9, 2003 The public high school across the street from my apartment has a dress code more or less white, opaque shirt, long sleeves, no cleavage dark full length pants loose fitting but not more than a couple sizes too big no logos and considering the ghetto nature of the school it seems to work fairly well. a friend of mine teaches there and while she still has tons of stories of gangs and dropouts and teenage pregnancy &c it seems like at least the dress code isn't a source of controversy. nathanielMy advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #29 December 9, 2003 QuoteAnd what about all those pictures of men with guns in the school's history books - shouldn't they have been banned too? Nope. They should be there. They represent a lesson we are failing to learn. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #30 December 9, 2003 Quote> from the same wonderful people that brought you the Soviet Union > and the ideals of Marxist/Lennonism! Hard to figure out who you're going after here. The liberal wing of the Russian government is now the pro-Western side; the conservative wing is the communist. The pro-Kremlin party (i.e. Putin's party) won big in the recent election, which is a potential problem for the US - Putin almost certainly abused the power of his position to win the election, and the country may well be moving towards a new more-totalitarian government. Which leaves people with a new problem - which party do you choose to hate nowadays? The liberals, the communists or the totalitarians? I suppose you could just hate all russians. Worked well in the 50's. First, the Soviet Union was never a true communist state. The "communists" that want power want the old centralized, social state. That puts them pretty far to the "left". Second, Putin, despite his warts, and most other power brokers in Russia (a lot of former intel/KGB/GRU types), is not the free wheeling hot head, with a heart condition and drinking problem that Yelstin was. BBCi has a good article on it. I'm undecided, but think Putin is the best choice for Russia to move forward, not backward. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3300483.stmSo I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,661 #31 December 9, 2003 QuoteAh yes.. political correctness... from the same wonderful people that brought you the Soviet Union and the ideals of Marxist/Lennonism! Lennon wasn't associated with Marx (Karl or Groucho). Didn't you understand the lyrics of "Back in the USSR" and "Revolution"? Now, Lenin is another matter entirely. What were they saying about public schooling?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #32 December 9, 2003 QuoteWhich leaves people with a new problem - which party do you choose to hate nowadays? The liberals, the communists or the totalitarians? I suppose you could just hate all russians. Worked well in the 50's. It made Ike popular. Let's not hate all Russians, just all Russian politicians...kind of like here at home.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #33 December 9, 2003 QuoteLennon wasn't associated with Marx (Karl or Groucho). Didn't you understand the lyrics of "Back in the USSR" and "Revolution"? Now, Lenin is another matter entirely. That's why it makes life easier to pronounce things the way the people do. I doubt you'd misspell -Leh NEEN- anything like the dreamer. QuoteWhat were they saying about public schooling? That it has failed. Miserably. Wow, something you and I can agree on. ...scarywitty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #34 December 9, 2003 QuoteQuoteAnd what about all those pictures of men with guns in the school's history books - shouldn't they have been banned too? Nope. They should be there. They represent a lesson we are failing to learn. The lesson that freedom requires effort, and sometimes fighting for it?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #35 December 9, 2003 QuoteThe public high school across the street from my apartment has a dress code more or less white, opaque shirt, long sleeves, no cleavage dark full length pants loose fitting but not more than a couple sizes too big no logos They allow skirts, though, right?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firstime 0 #36 December 9, 2003 guns kill people... ok I agree... that means a spoon & a fork make people fat. Make these utensils unavailable to the public and viola "no more obesity" Wow I should be in politics Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captainpooby 0 #37 December 9, 2003 Quoteguns kill people... ok I agree... that means a spoon & a fork make people fat. Make these utensils unavailable to the public and viola "no more obesity" Wow I should be in politics Hammers and saws build houses!(not in florida...its almost impossible to get ahouse built in Fl.) Man I'm smart too!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #38 December 9, 2003 "Guns cause crime like flies cause garbage." mh"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #39 December 9, 2003 QuoteQuoteQuoteAnd what about all those pictures of men with guns in the school's history books - shouldn't they have been banned too? Nope. They should be there. They represent a lesson we are failing to learn. The lesson that freedom requires effort, and sometimes fighting for it? That isn't the lesson you'd learn about the men with guns that killed Lincoln, Kennedy or Martin Luther King, Jr., now is it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chute 0 #40 December 9, 2003 That is worse the the boy that took a G.I.Joe (small one for all of you like me that hat the uummmm big one) It had a gun on it and got 3 days susp. This is way out of hand. They should be woried about teaching our children.Bottomless Beers and Blue Skies! * Brother_Brian * D.S.W.F.S.B. #2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #41 December 9, 2003 Teaching children? My God man - have you lost your mind? The NEA isn't about teaching kids - it's about preserving union jobs in our public schools! Get a grip on yourself!Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #42 December 9, 2003 QuoteQuoteQuoteNope. They should be there. They represent a lesson we are failing to learn. The lesson that freedom requires effort, and sometimes fighting for it? That isn't the lesson you'd learn about the men with guns that killed Lincoln, Kennedy or Martin Luther King, Jr., now is it? What did you learn from the pictures about the revolutionary and civil wars? And what did you learn from the text telling you that leaders have been assassinated since there were leaders? That it's the tool's fault?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #43 December 9, 2003 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteNope. They should be there. They represent a lesson we are failing to learn. The lesson that freedom requires effort, and sometimes fighting for it? That isn't the lesson you'd learn about the men with guns that killed Lincoln, Kennedy or Martin Luther King, Jr., now is it? What did you learn from the pictures about the revolutionary and civil wars? And what did you learn from the text telling you that leaders have been assassinated since there were leaders? That it's the tool's fault? The premise that you will stand there with a rifle and fight off another attacking nation is absurd, where it was practical at the time of the American revolution, if your neighbors did likewise. That is where the militia played into the 2d amendment, which you neglect to consider. Your rifle won't be that helpful against tanks, mortars, artillery, cruise missiles and the odd NBC threat a hostile force could field. The civil war? Please tell me what was solved by the application of lethal force in the civil war. What territories were taken and held? What opposing threat was wiped out? Who was killed, other than Americans? As to the assassinations? I learned that without the firearms, the attempts might not have been successful. Nobody walked through all the guards to throttle them with their hands. Firearms provided an easy, instantaneous, distant and lethal way for them to express themselves. To me, that is not progress. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #44 December 9, 2003 QuoteThe civil war? Please tell me what was solved by the application of lethal force in the civil war. Preservation of the Union. QuoteWhat territories were taken and held? Lots of them, in the end, the South was held by the Union. QuoteWhat opposing threat was wiped out? The confederacy. QuoteWho was killed, other than Americans? French, Germans, Irish, Italians, Poles, Scandinavians, Scottish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #45 December 9, 2003 I'm thinking the gun threads are like good rollercoasters are to some people. It's the same ride, over and over, but they never get tired of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #46 December 9, 2003 QuoteI'm thinking the gun threads are like good rollercoasters are to some people. It's the same ride, over and over, but they never get tired of it. Yup. I don't know why I even bother any more. Some people (not referring to Kevin) simply don't get it. They aren't able to comprehend the ramifications of their actions or grasp the flaws in their arguments. It is a roller coaster. The problem is that getting off is an admission of failure. While children still bring loaded handguns from home into elementary schools like the one my wife works in, I'll continue to see it as a problem that needs a solution. Some people, like Kevin, disagree with me, but are (I think) willing to work toward a solution. Others are simply to close-minded and stubborn to see that there even is a problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #47 December 9, 2003 QuoteQuoteThe civil war? Please tell me what was solved by the application of lethal force in the civil war. Preservation of the Union. But the application of force was a cause as well. If you remove it from both sides, you are right back where you started. Violent action and violent reaction. We'd have been better off to skip both. QuoteQuoteWhat territories were taken and held? Lots of them, in the end, the South was held by the Union. Same as above. Basically a zero-sum. We didn't suddenly annex Canada or something. QuoteQuoteWhat opposing threat was wiped out? The confederacy. But we, as a nation, derived that threat from within. QuoteQuoteWho was killed, other than Americans? French, Germans, Irish, Italians, Poles, Scandinavians, Scottish I didn't phrase that like I wanted, and it isn't enough of an issue with me to push. Conceded. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 24 #48 December 9, 2003 QuoteWe didn't suddenly annex Canada or something. Because we scare you..... or something.... lolRemster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,661 #49 December 9, 2003 QuoteQuoteWe didn't suddenly annex Canada or something. Because we scare you..... or something.... lol I expect so. Last time the US tried to annex Canada the White House got burned down... ummm - wait a minute, we may be on to something here.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #50 December 9, 2003 You don't scare us. We had a sudden realization that we didn't want Canada, so we withdrew our invasion force from the border. Both guys with buckets were called home. Remeber, guns don't kill people, buckets kill people. So sayeth the gun lobby, anyway. But, amazing as it is, even they can understand that there is no reason to annex Canada. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
