CrazyIvan 0 #1 February 3, 2005 Have fun reading this. One of my favorites: 1988 Computer viruses are an urban myth. (Peter Norton) No wonder NAV sucks __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkiD_PL8 0 #2 February 3, 2005 I was a big fan of. 1981 640K ought to be enough for anybody. [see 1996] (Bill Gates) and 1996 I've said some stupid things and some wrong things, but not that. [see 1981] (Bill Gates) Greenie in training. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mailin 0 #3 February 3, 2005 Quote 1982 I don't know what the language of the year 2000 will look like, but I know it will be called Fortran. (C A R Hoare) Thank god that never happened JenArianna Frances Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkiD_PL8 0 #4 February 3, 2005 QuoteQuote 1982 I don't know what the language of the year 2000 will look like, but I know it will be called Fortran. (C A R Hoare) Thank god that never happened JenThat is really humorus to me since I learned some Fortran in HS and it was allready looked at as a language that was obsolete. The only reason we even studied it was because my programming teacher was way oldschool and wanted us to "appreciate" where modern object oriented languages came from. Greenie in training. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slappie 9 #5 February 3, 2005 1964 Barring unforeseen obstacles, an on-line interactive computer service, provided commercially by an information utility, may be as commonplace by 2000 AD as telephone service is today.(Martin Greenberger) <-- fart smeller.. I mean smart feller "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkiD_PL8 0 #6 February 3, 2005 Quote1964 Barring unforeseen obstacles, an on-line interactive computer service, provided commercially by an information utility, may be as commonplace by 2000 AD as telephone service is today.(Martin Greenberger) <-- fart smeller.. I mean smart fellerYep we have Al Gore to thank for that well if you beleive anything he says anyway. Greenie in training. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #7 February 3, 2005 QuoteQuote 1982 I don't know what the language of the year 2000 will look like, but I know it will be called Fortran. (C A R Hoare) Thank god that never happened Jen At least they didn't say COBOL. ick.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mailin 0 #8 February 3, 2005 Don't knock COBOL (Compiles only because of luck ) I see more and more job postings asking for it - assembly also. I plan on taking at least an intro to COBOL class in the fall because of it - lots of financial companies are looking to expand their currect capacity without having to 're-invent the wheel', so they want COBOL programmers to work on the existing system. Mainframes are making a comeback too - you watch JenArianna Frances Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davedlg 0 #9 February 3, 2005 Quote10 AD: Inventions have long since reached their limit, and I see no hope for further developments. (Julius Sextus Frontinus) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #10 February 3, 2005 QuoteDon't knock COBOL (Compiles only because of luck ) I see more and more job postings asking for it - assembly also. I plan on taking at least an intro to COBOL class in the fall because of it - lots of financial companies are looking to expand their currect capacity without having to 're-invent the wheel', so they want COBOL programmers to work on the existing system. Jen There certainly are alot of legacy systems around. COBOL is a very powerful language. But writing it sucks ass. You can take all the COBOL jobs, cause I will not be going for any of them Writing COBOL programs is like writing a frickin novel. I swear to god, that is some of the lengthiest code I have written.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mailin 0 #11 February 3, 2005 Ya, I've heard its lengthy. But I've also heard its a great learning language as you have to do EVERYTHING... where as the .NET programming I'm doing at my new job has me utterly confused because there is so much that already incorporated into the language that I end up writing too much stuff to do what one word can do... but only because I didn't know .NET had that cool little feature. Gimme about 6 months and I'll be doing a 360 I'm sure... ....NET rox - why would anyone write out all that code when .NET does it for you? JenArianna Frances Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #12 February 3, 2005 QuoteYa, I've heard its lengthy. But I've also heard its a great learning language as you have to do EVERYTHING... where as the .NET programming I'm doing at my new job has me utterly confused because there is so much that already incorporated into the language that I end up writing too much stuff to do what one word can do... but only because I didn't know .NET had that cool little feature. Gimme about 6 months and I'll be doing a 360 I'm sure... Jen Some people DO like COBOL. Mostly, they are old. Well, you will have no fear of writing one word to do everything in COBOL. You have to write everything out Here is an example of just getting 3 numbers and adding or multiplying them $ SET SOURCEFORMAT"FREE" IDENTIFICATION DIVISION. PROGRAM-ID. Iteration-If. AUTHOR. Michael Coughlan. DATA DIVISION. WORKING-STORAGE SECTION. 01 Num1 PIC 9 VALUE ZEROS. 01 Num2 PIC 9 VALUE ZEROS. 01 Result PIC 99 VALUE ZEROS. 01 Operator PIC X VALUE SPACE. PROCEDURE DIVISION. Calculator. PERFORM 3 TIMES DISPLAY "Enter First Number : " WITH NO ADVANCING ACCEPT Num1 DISPLAY "Enter Second Number : " WITH NO ADVANCING ACCEPT Num2 DISPLAY "Enter operator (+ or *) : " WITH NO ADVANCING ACCEPT Operator IF Operator = "+" THEN ADD Num1, Num2 GIVING Result END-IF IF Operator = "*" THEN MULTIPLY Num1 BY Num2 GIVING Result END-IF DISPLAY "Result is = ", Result END-PERFORM. STOP RUN. I like my more modern high level languages. I can worry more about doing cool stuff and being creative rather than remembering the syntax. On the other hand, them there COBOL jobs pay big I bet. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #13 February 3, 2005 Writing COBOL, oh man, I remember those days, but also remember those RPG II programs, "I" sheet, "O" sheet and etc. Damn!!...I guess I'm old __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mailin 0 #14 February 3, 2005 eeek! Seeing as I'm still in college for this stuff... that actually looks like fun I'm kinda forgetting how much fun I had in my classes - doing it for real has turned out to be alot harder than I imagined, although I'm learning tons. Wish I had taken my SQL last semester instead of now - would really be useful in the project I have... JenArianna Frances Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #15 February 3, 2005 QuoteWriting COBOL, oh man, I remember those days, but also remember those RPG II programs, "I" sheet, "O" sheet and etc. Damn!!...I guess I'm old I had three RPG programmers in my office over the last month...guess they are still using it out there...somewhere......_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #16 February 3, 2005 QuoteI had three RPG programmers in my office over the last month...guess they are still using it out there...somewhere...... Were they wearing t-shirt saying "Property of the Smithsonian"?__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #17 February 3, 2005 Yeah, well I will knock as I had 2 semesters of it It KILLED my then fluency in c/c++ After a transfer I had to take it a legacy IS intensive school. They had a CIS program that had made the college of business back in the early ninties and they loved COBOL. In fact their teaching of all other languages was kind of behind the curve. I hated COBOL. the only language I have ever used that actually cares about column spacing. Very heavy. It is good for repeititive record processing, that is about it.-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #18 February 3, 2005 nah, just use c. much better to learn, and much more portable to anything modern, like ++, java, .net, etc. COBOL uses rules all its own, you will never see them again...ever.-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dan_iv 0 #19 February 3, 2005 Quote I hated COBOL. the only language I have ever used that actually cares about column spacing. Very heavy. It is good for repeititive record processing, that is about it. i hated COBOL too, but my cube neighbor does his work in COBOL and it's not repetitive record processing, actually transaction processing, which is what I do but on UNIX distributed systems with a crap configuration tool and C ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #20 February 3, 2005 I learned how to program using: 1- Assembly 2- RPG II & III 3- COBOL 4- PL/1 5- BASIC 6- C (not the ++, the original C only) 7- VisualBASIC But, after I "retired" from programming (as my main ocupation) I started searching for other compilers, so, now I use PowerBASIC and EZGUI, and I love them.__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #21 February 3, 2005 QuoteI learned how to program using: 1- Assembly 2- RPG II & III 3- COBOL 4- PL/1 5- BASIC 6- C (not the ++, the original C only) 7- VisualBASIC But, after I "retired" from programming (as my main ocupation) I started searching for other compilers, so, now I use PowerBASIC and EZGUI, and I love them. What, no PASCAL??_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #22 February 3, 2005 Quote ....NET rox - why would anyone write out all that code when .NET does it for you? Cause you could do Java for free in a Linux environment? Well, unless you need Websphere or Weblogic then you will need $$$$ (however, if I was new and going into programming I would do .Net since its still new and you can compete against those that have "Sr level" experience with only four years) Quote Mainframes are making a comeback too - you watch Large Frame systems never went away. Fortune 1000 companies never got rid of them, they just didn't need four or five people to do the same job anymore...esp after Y2K when all COBOL was debugged, optimized and ready to go for the future (people were making $.25 per line for debug back then). So there was job contraction....thus leading to the glut of unemployed COBOL folks..... But, no joke, COBOL will be making a comeback soon. Why? The current programmers are starting to retire! Mainframes will not expand their footprint in the industry since mid-range is a stronger/cheaper option, but those older machines (which may be running Linux eventually) will still need someone to work them. This was a topic of conversation I had with some technical recruiters this week. So, the moral of the story: Don't let those COBOL skills get too dusty._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #23 February 3, 2005 I learned: Turbo Pascal C C++ Assembly VB COBOL Java in that order. Part of my hate was my personal situation. I was two years through school, and was right at that point where you dont think to program any more. The logic was second nature, and I am proud to say I never debugged an assembler project, cause I wrote them all right the first time, seriously. Even VB did not really mess me it, it was just a dumbed down C, kinda of annoying but useful. Then came two semesters of COBOL, and just killed my c fluency. I guess I could have tried to maintain it, but in school you really don't have the time if it is not coursework. For the record, I hated Java too, a lot was probably the prof and teaching environment. But if you are not using it specifically for secure stuff, it was a big waste of recursive lengthy function (method whatever) calling, that was much easier in c-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #24 February 4, 2005 QuoteWhat, no PASCAL?? Well, I briefly touched PASCAL and FORTRAN, but I cannot say I learned them in depth.__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 0 #25 February 4, 2005 Java rocks for fast large-scale devlopment. Automatic memory management and pretty strict compile-time typing means that a whole class of bloody-hard-to-debug defects are eliminated. .Net probably rocks for the same reasons, though I don't have enough experience with it to tell you for certain. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
