TMPattersonJr 0 #1 January 7, 2007 .....and think to yourself what the hell am I doing?!?!? I did my first (beer already purchased and consumed) intentional cutaway today, and as I reached down and pealed my cutaway and reserve handles that very thought was going through my mind. I knew before I did this that I would pull the handles if I had a wad of shit above my head but after this I know the system works and everything will do what the manufacturer says it will do. Oh and I feel a lot more confident in the supervised reserve packjob that's on my personal gear, because I packed the reserve in the double cutaway rig that I made the cutaway on today and it opened beautifully!!! Well all was good until I noticed the spot I picked to cutaway my freebag and main were not getting as much drift as I wanted them to (like none) so tomorrow I get to go out and recover them. Thankfully not too deep in an area of trees and brush, but I have a feeling that it's going to be half the day getting to and recovering. All in all a really good experience and I would suggest it to anyone who hasn't had a "real ride" yet so that way you know what to expect when you do have to pull the handles for realBlue SkiesBlack DeathFacebook www.PLabsInc.com www.SkydiveDeLand.com www.FlyteSkool.ws Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #2 January 7, 2007 i wouldn't suggest interntional cut-away without 3rd...good luck finding your chute... and you also have 420 posts,,[laughBernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
floridadiver81 0 #3 January 7, 2007 It looked good from the ground too man....if you only heard the people while you were doing it...they are like PULL PULL PULL!!!...after you cutaway...lol."Age has absolutely nothing to do with knowledge, learning, respect, attitude, or personality." -yardhippie "Fight the air, and the air will kick your ass!!! "-Specialkaye Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #4 January 7, 2007 "once you jump from a plane you realise that your childhood dreams of flying like superman were just plain silly"-Me :) funny im gonna copy from ya,, i live like 2000 miles away so i think i can pass as original,, claiming that i came up with that line...thanks it will be on myspace as my head line...Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
floridadiver81 0 #5 January 7, 2007 I knew i should have copyrighted that when i made it up. You owe me beer! "Age has absolutely nothing to do with knowledge, learning, respect, attitude, or personality." -yardhippie "Fight the air, and the air will kick your ass!!! "-Specialkaye Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #6 January 7, 2007 come on down at snore if you want that beer...just look for the tall dude..Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gene03 0 #7 January 7, 2007 Yes, I've got 2 1/2 intentional cut aways.“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him. Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 14 #8 January 7, 2007 QuoteYes, I've got 2 1/2 intentional cut aways. Oooh! That half one must have hurt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 14 #9 January 7, 2007 Quotei wouldn't suggest interntional cut-away without 3rd... He said something about a double cutaway rig. I wonder if that's what he meant. I've done jumps with the 3rd chute on the front. Pretty easy to do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bazelos 0 #10 January 7, 2007 Since I don't know a thing about this, are we talking about special, 3 canopy holding rigs? I remember my instructor saying that they use modified rigs to make intentional mals so us students can see what a lineover or other kind of nasty stuff look like.He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stitch 0 #11 January 7, 2007 Yeah, but it was stuck. "No cookies for you"- GFD "I don't think I like the sound of that" ~ MB65 Don't be a "Racer Hater" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
briangilbertson 0 #12 January 8, 2007 I think these guys are talking about cut-a-ways without a 3rd chute....just 'cause you have to get them re-packed to keep them current with the 120-days. It's seems a little risky, I'd talk to your instructor. PD will sometimes let you demo a reserve that you can pack as a main, that way you know how a reserve ride would feel despite the fact you're still throwing it out.....it'd be worth a try! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #13 January 8, 2007 QuotePD will sometimes let you demo a reserve that you can pack as a main, that way you know how a reserve ride would feel despite the fact you're still throwing it out.....it'd be worth a try! Sometimes? How about all the time. All it takes is $30 (I think that's still the cost) and they'll send you a reserve or any other canopy you want to demo (with in reason for your ability and size). Every cutaway I had was intentional, it didn't happy by surprise, I saw the malfunction on my main, chopped it and pulled my reserve. Well, I have one that was a true intentional, but that was on RWS' skyhook demo tertiary rig. 1 intentional 1 sport ride 3 tandem rides As for doing this for fun with a standard 2 canopy rig...well, feel free at your DZ. The last time it was done at my DZ the people involved were grounded. Which is appropiate. Oh, if you have a PD reserve, you only have a certain number of rides before you have to send it back to PD. Consult the manual, it explains it.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #14 January 8, 2007 Quotei wouldn't suggest interntional cut-away without 3rd... I assume that's what he meant by "double cutaway rig". I'd like to try this, does anyone know what the prerequisites are for a RWS' skyhook demo rig jump and what size canopies are in it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #15 January 8, 2007 QuoteI'd like to try this, does anyone know what the prerequisites are for a RWS' skyhook demo rig jump and what size canopies are in it? Prereqs were something like an a-license and 50 or 100 jumps or something like that. I can't remember off the top of my head, but then again it was a few years ago for me. At the time the canopies was an old PD 210 (9-cell F111) and a PDr 193 or 176, I can't remember exactly, but I think it was the 193.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TMPattersonJr 0 #16 January 8, 2007 QuoteQuotei wouldn't suggest interntional cut-away without 3rd... He said something about a double cutaway rig. I wonder if that's what he meant. I've done jumps with the 3rd chute on the front. Pretty easy to do. Yes, the rig is set up with 3-rings systems for both the main and reserve on your back, and it has d rings and lateral hook ups for the chest mount reserve. It was definately an adventure!!! Pulling the handle and hearing "chink" then utter silence..... It's a bit eerie but I'd definately do it again!!!Blue SkiesBlack DeathFacebook www.PLabsInc.com www.SkydiveDeLand.com www.FlyteSkool.ws Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TMPattersonJr 0 #17 January 8, 2007 QuoteIt looked good from the ground too man....if you only heard the people while you were doing it...they are like PULL PULL PULL!!!...after you cutaway...lol. Yea I went a little head down initially right after I chopped so I gave myself a few seconds to get stable again. I cutaway at around 2900-3000 feet and was under an open reserve by 2300. Blue SkiesBlack DeathFacebook www.PLabsInc.com www.SkydiveDeLand.com www.FlyteSkool.ws Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #18 January 8, 2007 I know a guy who was about to get his tandem rating and had not had a cutaway.He waited till his reserve was due flew up wind and chopped one.I think he got a talking to.I don't recommend it.There is no guarantee. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #19 January 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteI'd like to try this, does anyone know what the prerequisites are for a RWS' skyhook demo rig jump and what size canopies are in it? Prereqs were something like an a-license and 50 or 100 jumps or something like that. I can't remember off the top of my head, but then again it was a few years ago for me. At the time the canopies was an old PD 210 (9-cell F111) and a PDr 193 or 176, I can't remember exactly, but I think it was the 193. I did it this fall and I think the required number of jumps was higher, but can't remember how many. MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TMPattersonJr 0 #20 January 8, 2007 QuoteI know a guy who was about to get his tandem rating and had not had a cutaway.He waited till his reserve was due flew up wind and chopped one.I think he got a talking to.I don't recommend it.There is no guarantee. The only guarantee I had is that if I had to ride that 24' strapped to my chest I wasn't going to like it!!! But I agree If you want to do an intentional please do it with the proper equipment. It is available by at least two of the equipment manufacturers that I know of. (Jump Shack and the manufacturer formally known as Relative Workshop) I haven't asked or heard about any of the other manufacturors... Sim section 2-1 Paragraph J "Extraordinary Skydives" 2. Pre-planned breakaway jumps are to be made by only class C- and D-license holders using FAA TSO'ed equipment. [E] Blue SkiesBlack DeathFacebook www.PLabsInc.com www.SkydiveDeLand.com www.FlyteSkool.ws Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #21 January 8, 2007 QuoteI know a guy who was about to get his tandem rating and had not had a cutaway.He waited till his reserve was due flew up wind and chopped one.I think he got a talking to.I don't recommend it.There is no guarantee. The risk is huge, I don't think most people realize what they're doing or just how crazy this is. Your safety in skydiving comes from the combined chances of a save from a main and a reserve. If I make wild guesses at those odds, let's say your main has 1/500 chance of failure (generous odds I think) and your reserve 1/1000 (generous I think but I have less of a handle on this) for all possible reasons, and ignore combined factors. This means that you have 1/500*1/1000 chance to main & reserve failure (ignoring your main interfering with your reserve deployment for our purposes), or a 1/500000 of winding up dealing with a reserve failure per jump. Those odds aren't too bad. but if you keep the odds the same but cut away a good main your odds of a main failure effectively become 1. That laves you with a 1/1000 chance of having a problem with the last chance to save your life. These calculations are somewhat naive and use wild guesses, but go ahead and change the numbers if you like, it won't alter the overall message. It is the fact that your reserve is used as a backup option that provides the innate safety, more than the reliability of its deployment. It's a really foolish thing to do without a tertiary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #22 January 8, 2007 QuoteSim section 2-1 Paragraph J "Extraordinary Skydives" 2. Pre-planned breakaway jumps are to be made by only class C- and D-license holders using FAA TSO'ed equipment. When I did my jump a C license was 100 jumps and a D was 200 jumps.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
