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QuoteI think live music performance has a super-bright future because there is no technology that can replicate it.
Yep. There aren't many businesses where you can do something once and sell it a million times over. I certainly can't record me fixing someones car and flog that till it goes platinum.
DSE 3
Quote[ Now days you can't go anywhere without a musical acompaniment. Shops, pubs, cars, TV stations, websites, birthday cards, door bells, cell phones, they all pump out music 24/7. It's what busnessmen call a mature industry. There's no more room for growth because the market is saturated. As a result, music is devalued because it's absolutely everywhere.
Thanks for explaining the industry to me. I didn't quite understand the changes or why they're occurring.[;)
Other than the last line, Walt's post is pretty much spot-on. Live music is also dying, 2007 marked the lowest concert revenues in what was a hard-climbing market. No monster tours. A&R departments are not putting the $$ into artist dev any more, so bands are turning to outside funding, which is exceptionally limited. Madonna's sign with Live Nation does bode for some goodness, but mounting a tour for 50M just isn't doable by most.
QuotePersonally, I think the whole entertainment industry is a victim of it's *excesses*. They've priced themselves out of the market.
Pre-internet, the entertainment (including music) industry controlled the primary distribution channels and they used that to fuck the all-too-willing-to-be-fucked consumers as much as possible.
Now that they no longer control the primary distribution channel, They are going to have to cut costs and change their business models. In other words, they are going to have to become competitive.
Entertainment consumers now have an enormous amount of choice--great for the consumer, not so great for the people who have been soaking consumers for many years. It's a really nice change, IMO.
I think live music performance has a super-bright future because there is no technology that can replicate
Wang-dang sweet poon-tang, you nailed it.
I'll let out a big 'waaah' for all the musicians who can no longer make MILLIONS of dollars. Ditto for all the other player in the music biz.
How about just making a living, like the rest of us? People in the US make more money than 99% of the rest of the world. Mainstream music artists make more than 99% of the people in the US. Excuse me if I don't feel for them, and their upcoming reduction in their standard of living.
My biggest regret is that this all couldn't have happened 10 years ago, so Britany Spears could be in her righful place, a double-wide trailer converted to a strip club in the hills of Alabama.
QuoteI'll let out a big 'waaah' for all the musicians who can no longer make MILLIONS of dollars. Ditto for all the other player in the music biz.
How about just making a living, like the rest of us? People in the US make more money than 99% of the rest of the world. Mainstream music artists make more than 99% of the people in the US. Excuse me if I don't feel for them, and their upcoming reduction in their standard of living.
My biggest regret is that this all couldn't have happened 10 years ago, so Britany Spears could be in her righful place, a double-wide trailer converted to a strip club in the hills of Alabama.
To be fair, only a tiny fraction of musicians/performers make that kind of money. My guess is that labels fuck musicians over at least as much as they fuck consumers over.
And I think Britney Spears is really talented--messed up for sure--but talented.
Walt
JackC 0
QuoteThanks for explaining the industry to me. I didn't quite understand the changes or why they're occurring.
You obviously know the industry better than me, I'm only an amateur and certainly don't have a Grammy on my mantlepeice (an impressive achievement by the way). But because you are in the industry you would be wise to exploit it as best you can. If my opinions help you see a way to do that then great. If not then I'll refund the money you paid me for them.
Every market finds it's own level and the music market is currently undergoing an "adjustment". What is happening, why and what to do about it is a matter for debate (or not). But every business faces it's problems, I'm sorry that this one just happens to be yours.
JackC 0
QuoteOther than the last line, Walt's post is pretty much spot-on. Live music is also dying, 2007 marked the lowest concert revenues in what was a hard-climbing market. No monster tours. A&R departments are not putting the $$ into artist dev any more, so bands are turning to outside funding, which is exceptionally limited. Madonna's sign with Live Nation does bode for some goodness, but mounting a tour for 50M just isn't doable by most.
Well again that's not so suprising. Gigs have got bigger and bigger over the years and so have the ticket prices. If you don't want to fund a $50M tour, don't book 80,000 seater stadiums. There's still room at the bottom it's just that major record labels won't get out of bed for less than a couple of gold albums and a multi million dollar merchandising deal.
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And I think Britney Spears is really talented--messed up for sure--but talented.
Walt
Talented at being messed up for sure. Did you hear? She just got put into mental lockdown at a hospital! Somebody please give her a lobotomy."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban
QuoteWell again that's not so suprising. Gigs have got bigger and bigger over the years and so have the ticket prices. If you don't want to fund a $50M tour, don't book 80,000 seater stadiums. There's still room at the bottom it's just that major record labels won't get out of bed for less than a couple of gold albums and a multi million dollar merchandising deal.
I wonder if similar change will ever happen to spectator sports, e.g., football, NASCAR, etc. I have zero understanding of their popularity or public support but they are a force to be reckoned with.
Walt
JackC 0
QuoteI wonder if similar change will ever happen to spectator sports, e.g., football, NASCAR, etc. I have zero understanding of their popularity or public support but they are a force to be reckoned with.
I'd say it would be a fair bet. With any business you can only blow the bubble so big. Eventually people decide that the crowds are too big, it's too expensive, you can't see anything and there's better coverage on TV so they stay away. Some other cash cow then pops up somewhere else to take its place. Tis the way of things.
QuoteTalented at being messed up for sure. Did you hear? She just got put into mental lockdown at a hospital! Somebody please give her a lobotomy.
That's cold. I've never liked her music all that much but at her young age she is a seasoned (to the point of being burned out, maybe) entertainer.
Her life and career have taken a bad turn but she's got talent and will hopefully get her life back on track.
I know this is unusually sensitive and caring coming fromr me and I apologize for that, but it gets worse.
I think Madonna is a talented performer too. I can't stand her music or public image or politics or anything else about her, but she's got a voice and some moves.
Walt
Personally, I think the whole entertainment industry is a victim of it's *excesses*. They've priced themselves out of the market.
Pre-internet, the entertainment (including music) industry controlled the primary distribution channels and they used that to fuck the all-too-willing-to-be-fucked consumers as much as possible.
Now that they no longer control the primary distribution channel, They are going to have to cut costs and change their business models. In other words, they are going to have to become competitive.
Entertainment consumers now have an enormous amount of choice--great for the consumer, not so great for the people who have been soaking consumers for many years. It's a really nice change, IMO.
I think live music performance has a super-bright future because there is no technology that can replicate it.
Walt
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