happythoughts 0 #76 September 16, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Yoda vs Emperor in Star Wars Episode 3 No way, Vader vs Obi-wan on Mustafar was much, much better. We'll not talk about Vader vs Obi-wan on the Death Star, however. As sword work goes the death star fight was the most accurate in any StarWars movie. Two masters facing each other botheknowing that it takes an opening that is imperceptible to lesser trained swordsmen and the fight is over with a single stroke. Just ad with all things Hollywood prefers flash over substance and o swords work now looks like amateurs swinging axe handles instead of razor sharp steel that will kill You before you know you've been cut much less a scifi lightsword that would be far more dangerous for its user as well as his opponent. Nonsense. The fight was dull because Obi-wan knew he was overmatched, so his only goal was to survive long enough to allow Luke, Han, Leia, Chewie, and the droids to make it back to the Falcon. Once they were safely by the spacecraft, he surrendered and allowed Vader to cut him down. On Mustafar they were both out for blood, and equally skilled, and thus the fight was much more exciting. So, what you're saying is, you're both virgins ? ps. Swordwork, fencing, kendo (and the travel I've done to study it) has gotten me laid FAR more often than skydiving has, and by women in significantly better shape and fitness First off, I congratulate you and respect the work that you have put into learning the sword. When I took Shotokan, the master for the SE US was Shigeru Takashina, a karate master and kendo competitor. However, I was just giving you guys crap about Star Wars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #77 September 17, 2010 Zennister, have you seen the sword fight scene in the Princess bride? For a tongue in cheek movie, the sword play was better than most you see in movies."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bdb2004 26 #78 September 17, 2010 Quotewhat the rubes like bdb2004 never seem to understand is real sword work IS NOT exciting to an untrained eye. Whoa, settle down, Beavis. On the one hand, I love Star Wars. On the other hand, one of my best friends competed in Kendo in college (don't remember if it was club, intercollegiate, etc) at the University of Washington. One time (emphasis on ONE TIME) I put on all his armor, he put on nothing at all, then he took me to school. Also, his dad is a Japanese sword polisher trained in Japan and relocated to the U.S. in the 70s in order to provide traditional sword repair in the Pacific Northwest. So yeah, I know a little something about the difference between fantasy and the real world here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #79 September 17, 2010 QuoteZennister, have you seen the sword fight scene in the Princess bride? For a tongue in cheek movie, the sword play was better than most you see in movies. Oh yea its Bob Anderson as sword master ;) There is a one two coupe double point to throat in That scene a vvery complex series of feints for a trained fencer at speed much less and actor. The fencing in princess bride is top notch. Rather than waste another post on the noob who prefers flash over substance in his fight scenes, I'll simply state your preference for ANY of the swordwork in the prequels vs the original series reveals exactly how little You know about swordplay.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bdb2004 26 #80 September 17, 2010 If all aspects of every movie were held to real-world standards, then movies would be pretty boring to most people. Every person with an area of expertise can point out where, how, and why Hollywood got it wrong...and would prefer that Hollywood got it right. We're all skydivers who recognize how unrealistic the scenes were in Point Break. You're a fencer who recognizes how unrealistic the the fight scenes in Star Wars were. I'm a wrestler who recognizes how unrealistic most of Vision Quest was. My friend is a driver who recognizes how realistic most of The Fast and the Furious was. So on and so forth. For the 1% of experts out there, it's frustrating. For the other 99%, it's exciting. And you know what -- for those 1% who are frustrated, maybe if they just stepped back and let themselves not be an expert for a few minutes, they might see the great work involved even if it's not even remotely realistic. The five minute free fall in Point Break was pretty fun to watch, even if it was entirely fake. Also, just curious, what do my jump numbers have to do with this discussion? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #81 September 17, 2010 nothing to do with jump numbers, this isnt a skydiving discussion, the topic is 'Best film fight scene ever' and you bring up ANYTHING from the Starwar prequels, and then slander the original by ignorantly comparing it to a very detailed, extremely planned out engagement intended from the start to be a showdown between to masters (there are real world duels between samurai who stood for 30+ min waiting for the blink the opening, the suki (in Japanese terminology, the place where your awareness stops and you become vulnerable) and eventually stood down, bowed and walked away as they recognized the parity of skill between them) with less movement than the stare down between Obiwan and Vader and those historical duels are EXACTLY what was being referenced, there are interviews with Bob Anderson from shortly there after that state exactly that. The swordwork in ep IV was subtle for a reason, a master doesn't need flash and show, and knows those only distract his focus and give the opponent opportunities that other wise wouldnt exist. However even the little 'action' that took place illustrated that Vader was still less than Obiwan (not 'Outmatched' as you claimed at all) and let the astute observer recognize that Obiwan let himself be killed intentionally for the larger purpose. The prequels destroyed the subtly of the original trilogy and made the entire saga into a cartoon both in plot, character and depth and yet you claim the juvenile fight scenes full of flash, lacking substance in character and plot elements (both in content and character development) who's actors swing their weapons as if they were holding brooms or golfclubs are superior? THAT is why I refereed to you as 'noob', one who does not know of what they speak. It's not 'great work' its pandering, playing to the lowest common denominator, destroying the suspension of disbelief necessary to capture an audience. Great work, Great Art, utilizes substance AND style, challenges the viewer to understand what happened. There is a reason why most of the old classics STILL outweigh the modern movies, and its because the artists, the directors and the writers are dumbing down their content for the viewers like you who would rather be wowed by special effects, the latest toy, the flavor of the month technology, than make a great movie.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipbelt 0 #82 September 17, 2010 this could be the best topic EVER.kudos to the correct answer to my green hornet trivia.talking about how hollywood exaggerates for effect , watch any scene with a helicopter lifting offthe soundtrack has engine and rotor rpm increasing till the hover stabilisesDRIVES ME INSANE back on topic fight scenes with an aviation twistthe fight scene in airplane with ottowho was otto and why were they fighting ? and same movie how long did the fight last with the hare krishna ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bdb2004 26 #83 September 17, 2010 Quotenothing to do with jump numbers, this isnt a skydiving discussion, the topic is 'Best film fight scene ever' and you bring up ANYTHING from the Starwar prequels, and then slander the original by ignorantly comparing it to a very detailed, extremely planned out engagement intended from the start to be a showdown between to masters I was paraphrasing Lucas himself. But, whatever. I'm done here, you can take it up with him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #84 September 17, 2010 QuoteQuotenothing to do with jump numbers, this isnt a skydiving discussion, the topic is 'Best film fight scene ever' and you bring up ANYTHING from the Starwar prequels, and then slander the original by ignorantly comparing it to a very detailed, extremely planned out engagement intended from the start to be a showdown between to masters I was paraphrasing Lucas himself. But, whatever. I'm done here, you can take it up with him. no need. it is well documented that Lucas sold his soul to the toy manufacturers and fired pretty much the entire creative team that made the original trilogy great. Perhaps YOU should do some research into some of the boneheaded ideas that he would have done with the original trilogy if he'd had the same kind of complete control over them he did over the prequels. The original trilogy was great IN SPITE of Lucas, not BECAUSE of him or perhaps you were unaware he edited Ep IV in the digital release in one scene that completely changes the character of Han Solo? Who shoots first? Why? spend the next 70 minutes watching this 1 of 7@ 10 min each, its more worth your time than all three of the prequels and funny to boot.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #85 September 17, 2010 The Gunfight scene from the movie HEAT is a really good depiction of what a real gunfight is like. If you have surround sound and turn this part up really loud, the effect is very realistic. The scene that shows the best team work is around the 1:25 mark when they abandon the car and begin moving in buddy teams. The armored car hit was also a very well done scene and the explosives used on the door was what would have been used at that time/year. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zssZQBDUj-A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbEKuJTu9xw&feature=related Way of the Gun also had good team work and gun play in it as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfokJrYhn5E&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BovXzH36M0I&feature=related"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #86 September 17, 2010 and Lou is without a doubt a man who should know...Heat is my father's favorite modern movie as well. for reference here is Bob Anderson's filmography Bob Anderson Miscellaneous crew * Alatriste (2006): Sword Master * The Legend of Zorro (2005): Sword Master * The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003): Sword Master * Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl (2003): Additional Sword Trainer o He can be seen speaking on the DVD special edition, 23m 30s into the 'making of' presentation. * The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (2002): Sword Master * Die Another Day (2002): Sword Master * The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001): Sword Master * The Parent Trap (1998): Fencing Consultant * The Mask of Zorro (1998): Sword Master * The Phantom (1996): Sword Master * First Knight (1995): Sword Master * The Three Musketeers (1993): Sword Master * By the Sword (1991): Sword Master * The Princess Bride (1987): Sword Master * Highlander (1986): Sword Master * Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope (1977): Fight Arranger (uncredited) * Barry Lyndon (1975): Fencing Coach * Kidnapped (1971): Fight Arranger * Don't Lose Your Head (1966): Fight Arranger (uncredited) * The Moonraker (1958) Fencing Coach Stunts * Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi (1983): Stunt Performer * Superman II (1980): Stunts (uncredited) * Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back (1980): Stunt Double for Darth Vader * Candleshoe (1977): Stunt Arranger (uncredited) * Star Wars (1977): Stunts/Stunt Double (uncredited) * One of Our Dinosaurs is Missing (1975): Stunt Arranger * Kidnapped (1971): Fight Arranger * Casino Royale (1967): Stunts (uncredited) * From Russia with Love (1963): Stunts (uncredited) * The Guns of Navarone (1961): Stunts (uncredited) * Il, Maestro Don Giovanni (1954): Stunts * The Master of Ballantrae (1953): Stunts (uncredited) Actor * Reclaiming the Blade (2009): himself * Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back (1980): Imperial Officer * Candleshoe (1977): Hood (uncredited) * Doctor Who (1968): Fighting Guard in the serial The Enemy of the World Compare these movies with those pretty much any other (western) film involving swords, there is simply no competition. They aren't all great movies, but the swordwork is all very believable even from an expert's view, and many of the ARE EXCELLENT movies in their genre even when they dont involve swords. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #87 September 17, 2010 Best fight scene, bar none: Indiana Jones and his whip versus the arab and his sword. The arab goes into his intimidation routine with the sword. Indiana just makes a face, pulls out his gun and shoots him. And no, that was not in the script. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remibond 0 #88 September 17, 2010 Nope my favourite Matrix fight scene is the first (and only?) one between Neo and Morpheus Stop trying to hit me and hit me! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
