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I must have been tired when I wrote that post...

To state that a Persian is an Arab is not only disrespectful in the sense that they (at times) do not really get along that well, it is also disrespectful in the sence that your opinion is merely a product of propganda. Yes there are aot of unhappy muslims, but they are not unhappy with Islam. They are are unhappy with the opresson and coruption that is often propped up by the west to create this element of uncertainty, and dismay. I would bet you could care less about what they actually are unhappy about, and base you poor judgement on what you have seen in the western media? To state that a Persian is an Arab is not only disrespectful in the sense that they (at times) do not really get along that well (to put it lightly); it is also disrespectful in the sense that your opinion is a product of the above stated propaganda. Yes there are a lot of unhappy Muslims, but they are not unhappy with Islam. They are unhappy with the oppression and corruption that is often propped up by the west to create this element of uncertainty, and dismay. What about the Arab countries or emirates in which are very affluent? Do you think we should allow them to live like that? Many of the countries you mention have vast amounts of natural resources. Those resources are being sold to the west by those that create the oppression and do not filter down the profits to the rest of society. Dubai is a classic example of what the Arab world could look like, if we had a balance on the distribution of wealth relative to the geographical position of the resources initial position. Unfortunately that is not how it works at present; often the places with the most wealth in natural resources will have the most oppression in society. Except for UAE (and others) of course but you would prefer to not mention them I take it?

Try ingesting everything posted so far before you ask me to repeat myself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NUDWQ0U7N8&feature=player_embedded The soldiers not only state that that practice is commonplace, but is expected and encouraged by various superior ranks. Is there anybody reading here that knows Sergio Kochergin? He is one of the solders giving a statement against such practice and his closing pin necklace tells us he is a skydiver. I will track down more than 10 examples of confessions to murder of innocent civilians later I have to work now. I will reply to the ad hominem trusted so violently toward me also. I see however, that none of those using the methodical language tools I have clearly pointed out earlier have made any attempt to address the subject, rather attempts to belittle me and protect their own interests.

You will find that 75% of the so called insurgents were actually innocent civilians that had confiscated weapons dropped on them. Were you peeling potatoes over there or are you ignorant? As long as you have an AK in your Hummer 'to drop' then any child you wish to beat the crap out of is an insurgent I suppose. Don’t act like there are not thousands of recorded instances of atrocities with thousands of soldiers having spoken out about such instances. You can live in the dark if you wish and I am not accusing you personally of murder, but many of your comrades would have made up for you lack of doing so.

Did you carry and AK to cover you tracks? How many innocent people did you witness having their lives taken?

You are able to distinguish half of the problem but are not quite prepared to see the full story. Watch this, Ted Gunderson is a former FBI chief. I presume you believe you also have more knowledge than him on the subject? False flag ops are much more common that you are obviously willing to accept. Etcetera etcetera.

Nano-thermite is not a holy grail; it is only one of many irrefutable subjects which will force you to use ad hominem, bigotry, straw man techniques or anything other than addressing the subject matter itself, if you wish to avoid the inevitable. You are forced to adhere to these instruments as you are well aware this discussion disproves your selfish and obdurate disposition. You profess apparent wisdom yet you act like a child when push comes to shove. There is no need for a debate, you are not worth the effort, but if you are going to support murder and war crimes then you had better be prepared for the consequences. Abnegation only works so long as your argument has substance. Slander is not substance. How old are you?

Incorrect! Ad hominem is most often used by those such as you to side step answering the presented questions. Usually calumnious slander or straw man techniques are used to avoid answering the questions. This is obviously to avoid exposing the fault of the proponent’s contention. Take the abundance of tangible evidence and peer reviewed journals exposing the existence of nano-thermite for instance. The argument implying that planting the required quantities of such a substance undetected would be impossible etcetera, is used to sidestep the fact that it exists in abundance, both ignited and unignited. Simply calling the analysts of such findings kooks does not acknowledge or consider the tangible evidence they have and are quite willing to supply if so required. The questions often lead to an impending answer that is avoided like the plague in such cases. To acknowledge the scope of the implications is somewhat formidable I suppose, so it is easy to understand why so many are not willing to attest to the apparent truth.

You are right; these paranoid conspiracy theorists use the media fables to conclude their standpoint. They are not agnostic about the cause of such atrocities and stand behind some paranoid delusion that murdering, torturing and stealing the natural recourses of other countries is somehow justified by the blatant lies they have been told through their beloved flat screen television. Another obvious delusion here is that these actions actually make them safer. I guess a lot of time, money and energy have been spent to ensure they think this way. Usually these spineless and selfish conspiracy theorists will call anyone that questions events such as 9/11 as conspiracy theorists themselves; they could not be more further from the truth. Yes there are some individuals that have conclusion that the government orchestrated 9/11 for political reasons and if they ‘conclude’ so, they are also by definition conspiracy theorists. The people that usually get called conspiracy theorists are usually the ones asking the questions. Especially here by many of you reading this. I expect I will be called such. It is inevitable because that is all these asinine individuals I am describing have to come back on is such childish and inappropriate and incorrect definitions that allow them to somehow not question their own judgments. The most pathetic part of that is a theorist is someone that has a conclusion, if someone has a question they need answered they have not yet concluded anything, such as me. Only the imbeciles that decide to take the 'story' hook line and sinker from the very media that they are so openly sceptical about usually, are the true conspiracy nut jobs. I was one of them until recently, I had the mental strength to question my own judgements and reopen my interpretation of the events. The anomalies and evidence to suggest we have been lied to is overwhelming, we have not been told anything close to the truth. It is obvious only if you are willing to consider it. Conspiracy theroists believe that if their peers agree with the same conviction, that this makes them correct. Meanwhile children are being killed in my name, your name and with your money and my money. It is justified by the false conclusion that the government officials are always completely correct and never lie about anything.

You have been watching too much television. Let me be clear, there is false flag terror and there are authentic terrorists. The authentic terrorists do not necessarily play any part in the terror alerts you refer to, though it is possible for certain actual events to be manipulated in order to enhance the perception we have in regards to the extent of the problem. False flag terrorism is rife, though there is also plenty of real terrorism worldwide. The usual examples we get to see are the incidents that we are allowed to hear about, are supposed to hear about or are supposed to believe happened. These events are presented in order to manipulate our opinions and actions both politically and emotionally. Bullet for bullet and corpse for corpse the western forces would have inflicted more terror than all other terror groups put together this century. The terrorism you refer to is false flag terrorism. Terrorism is more often about politics and economics than religion. Though religion is most often used as an excuse for the political or economic gain the perpetrator acquires. FF terrorism is promulgated to manipulate your emotions and your rationality. This is often to further the agenda of corrupt officials and/or those that support them financially for personal or corporate gain. In particular your repeated ability to renounce cogent and rational questions anyone has on the destruction of the world trade centre buildings. I have become increasingly interested in the subject in recent years. As clear cut the official doctrine appears to be without analysis, the dogmatic rejection of any challenge to the precept alone implies that there is surely something to hide. Nothing is perfect so it would be foolish to presume the NIST hypothesis is worthy of coming close to gaining such status. I recently read a handful of threads on the subject in this forum to get a background on the consensus here. I was not surprised to observe the same rhetoric over and over. You seemed to be in the forefront of such discussions professing superiority though more often than not refusing to provide coherent answers to relatively simple questions.

Or you could focus on the problems that make the terrorists feel compelled to endanger their own lives and carry out such objectives. Hate is breed by actions, actions of hate and disregard will result in retributions. Surely you have enough intelligence to understand that? The problem that leads to actual terrorism, as opposed to false flag terrorism which is more common than you will be willing to accept, is usually in the form of a US/UK/Nato occupation with US/UK/Nato weapons used by US/UK/Nato Soldiers or more recently common, US military contractors. If you were less partial to the wants of the USA, you could describe these illegal and unjustified occupations as terrorism in its finest form. IF the US, UK or any country for that matter would allow countries that are rich with recourses to be rich also, then you would probably cease to have a problem. But that is usually not a part of the status quo. But from your previous ravings it is clear to me that you are probably too self centred and disdainful to understand or accept that.

Nice, apt. The faeces have started to slide out quite nicely already havn't they.

The USA bacame an empire by definition the moment the Patriot Act was put in place.

Not so long the USA is at war.

Interesting, thanks for the comprehensive reply. I plan on a bunch of 18k jumps, lets see how I go then...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um63OQz3bjo&feature=player_embedded http://www.weusecoins.com/

What is the lowest altitude that anyone has cracked 5 minutes from, 20k sounds pretty high?

After re reading my post I have decided that I would like to rephrase those sentences to be more concise. I missed the window of opportunity to edit the post; I have read your debates on the subject and have found you to be exhaustively zealous while reluctant to consider the entire scope of that situation so you should avoid using it as an example. You dismiss the justice for those murdered on that day, you also ignore your knowledge of science and motion while citing your expertise on the subject. Then you disparage anyone that questions the official story and act as a sentinel for the criminals that withhold the evidence that would alleviate any doubt. You need to take a rational and unbiased opinion before you profess such authority on the subject or attempt use the deceased as an example. Too many times have those poor souls been used as an excuse for terror and the continuous and seemingly exponential degradation of human rights. Your attitude appalls me.

All instructors in New Zealand must be a current workplace first aid certifecate holder, all instructors also must have a DZSO (S&TA) rating.

The truth is that these checkpoints are only for those travelling around the USA. I entered the USA only 2 months ago and flew into LAX. I only needed to show my passport, take a photo and give my fingerprints on the scanner to enter the United States, and just had to answer a couple of questions about my baggage. Once I had my baggage I exited the security section and was in Los Angeles. My connecting flight was from another terminal, it was only when I went to make a domestic flight that I was subject to the TSA checkpoint, I was nuked with radiation and passed through. This checkpoint did nothing to protect USA citizens from foreigners; it simply scanned the domestic travellers only.

I have read your debating on the subject and you are quite obviously a fraud. You dismiss the justice for those murdered on that day, you ignore your knowledge of science and motion while citing your expertise on the subject and you demean anyone that questions the official story and act as a sentinel for the criminals. You need to take a rational and unbiased opinion before you profess such authority on the subject. There is more than enough evidence to suggest that that event could have been avoided, what we have been told is a lie and you violently oppose an investigation to expose the true criminals. You violently oppose it for the selfish reason that you will also be exposed as incorrect. Your ego will never allow that to happen so I will not debate with you, but wish to point out the seriously obvious flaw in your opinion. More people have died as a result of trying to help clean up the mess than those that actually died as a result of the buildings collapsing. They were all told the air was clean by the authorities, these people are dead now. Many more are dying. They could have been given a $50 respiratory mask and still be alive today. Fortunately what they observed is well documented and the likes of you that would hope that they died with their experiences will eventually be exposed. You can take your sure bet on the corrupt winning for now, but in time you will have to deal with the consequences of you own actions. You want to spend billions on military manoeuvres ‘on a hunch’ to kill innocent foreigners but you oppose the healthcare of those that risked their lives to clean up the aftermath of 9/11. You oppose avoiding a repeat of such a false flag event by opposing an investigation to determine the true reason for the 9/11 event. There is so much you oppose because any rational thought on 9/11 is obviously the work of truther, and who likes truthers? They want the truth and will expose the fact that you are a fraud and cmplicit in murder. Your understanding of physics is better than you make out, but you rather choose to ignore the unavoidable truth that could be determined with the knowldge you already have. Don’t fall for the same tactics again please. It must be embarrassing to your peers.

The propaganda has been spreading to assist the Oligarchs in attacking Iran for some time now. It is about the control of the oil and gas and restricting how powerful Iran becomes. While I do not agree with many of Iran’s policies, I certainly do not agree with the foreign policy of USA, England, France.... either. The biggest threat to global peace is the foreign policy of the United States (among others) and the Neanderthal attitudes of its brainwashed people. The only country to have used nuclear weapons will be the most likely contender to use them again. The power gained from using nuclear weapons has been dwindled away by making some individuals very, very rich. Those people could care less about the people of the United States and that power is coming to an abrupt end. Iran’s nuclear threat is merely a front for the war on the remaining natural recources and the control of them.

This is mental prepartion for the standoff for the super heavy weight champion of the economic world. That conflict is sooner than most are willing to accept.

... Whomever the oligarchs decide is most appropriate at the time.