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  1. It looks like the locals are taking a page out of the feds (particularly the ATF) playbook. Overcharge, delay, gag, until the defendants plead down to a lesser charge because they can't afford to fight any more. If you want an eye opener watch one of the cable tv 'outlaw' biker docudramas and note how the prosecution teams end by touting the number of indictments etc. Then research how many actual convictions and what those convictions are for as opposed to the headline charges.
    http://abovethelaw.com/2015/08/the-reason-you-havent-heard-more-about-the-177-bikers-arrested-in-waco/
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  2. I know that the burden of proof is pretty low on these hearings, but this low?
    http://www.wacotrib.com/news/twin_peaks_biker_shooting/judge-rules-biker-wife-jailed-with-sufficient-probable-cause-in/article_7f6da5d8-b70f-55fc-9cd3-6f7dc9d56964.html

    Nope-no real criminal record. Nope-we have never heard of this group in any context. Nope-we haven't seen anything before or since that indicates any criminal behavior. But but but they wore a small patch that scared me. :S

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  5. I can only be so responsible for other people's hang ups. It is neat the number of people that weren't offended until they were told they should be. I do wonder as a conservative, white, Christian, how many of my more liberal friends I would lose if I started treating their beliefs and morals with the EXACT level of respect that they treat mine.:S

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  7. Driver1

    Hell, I even had a confederate flag on my wall during my high school days. Then I studied history a bit more closely. And well... the flag went in the garbage. I grew up.



    What made you stop hating black people in high school?

    I caught 30 seconds of the news a bit ago while grabbing a cup of coffee and had to laugh at the surprised tone of the newscaster showing people from opposite sides of the discussion hanging out at the state house chatting with each other. My SC (as opposed to this SC) knows that you can disagree without hate.
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  8. http://www.wacotrib.com/news/twin-peaks-biker-shooting/

    Scroll through the stories and pick out all the things that are wrong with this situation.
    Justice of the Peace signing off on cookie cutter warrants. Extravagant bail on people arrested and detain with no individual probable cause. The city fighting release of security video. It is beyond me why people don't seem to be having a problem with this.
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  9. Pick an argument. Other than being totally misidentified-to people I know it is a regional pride symbol, not racist. So are you against it because the confederacy was pro slave (not that the northern states were heavily anti slave) so it doesn't matter that it is a positive symbol to the majority of people in the region now or because some fringe groups display it along with the US flag so it doesn't matter what it means? Personally I look at it as a design on beach towels at Myrtle Beach and on bikinis worn by girls that are probably going to be pretty easy to get around 3rd base with.
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  11. normiss

    Funny, there didn't seem to be any real uproar of defense of the flag when it was removed from the capitol building itself.
    :S



    Yep. It didn't need to be up there. None of us really thought so-it was a "yeah, good idea, let's move it to a historical display"
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  12. "treasonous war waged"

    An interesting discussion on the topic
    http://history.stackexchange.com/questions/2056/was-the-secession-of-the-confederate-states-illegal

    Now what about the African American History Monument that was placed on state house grounds at the same time as the confederate memorial was placed there. Go or stay?
    Interesting non related observations 33% of the Klan members I know of (all dead now) were black men. Unannounced, unreported, several seedy looking white guys on motorcycles have been patrolling areas around traditionally black churches as a volunteer security measure. Admit it, there is a lot of southern, rural context you don't see from the view from rough, tough south Chicago.
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  13. 1)Does that mean that the monument to our African Americans has to come down too? It was part of the relocation compromise.
    2)Bigot is a pretty harsh word. Can you back up the accusation?
    3)Did anyone get a picture of the photographers sprawled out on the ground to get the forced perspective shot of the battle flag in relation to the capitol dome?
    Nope I don't expect a straight answer on anything
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  14. kallend

    nypost.com/2015/06/30/south-carolina-approves-kkks-pro-confederate-flag-rally-at-capitol/

    www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/06/30/kkk-rally-south-carolina-statehouse-confederate-flag/29510543/

    Telling!



    The most telling-not from here in South Carolina. That IS the point you were making, right?
    Just everyone pack your stuff, go home, let us heal. We will be fine.
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  17. kallend

    Just because ignorant people choose...



    Just thought I'd toss a little background on this ignorant person you're referring to.
    Former bond analyst for XXXXX, and worked on Wall Street for 18 years-lived in XXXXXX, SC the past 15 years- now serving on the XXXXX school board-In the annual Institutional Investors Magazine survey of XXXX and XXXX, voted the number one market analyst by Wall Street clients
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  18. So a South Carolinian's opinion based on local observation and the more varied viewpoint of a transplant is less valuable because it disagrees with your opinion? I'm not seeing that. And many is a nonspecific value. Do you say most, a certain percentage? Based on what?
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  19. A friend of mine gave me permission to share this. I thought if was really well stated.
    "My grandparents came to Ellis Island in 1923. My parents spent their entire lives up north. I spent 40 years of my life in New York and about 10 years in South Carolina. I’m a northerner. I don’t have a southern heritage. Slavery is not in my family history or even part of the area I grew up in. Actually, none of this is my history. I can’t relate to most of it.

    What I do know is I've met a ton of white southerners who over the years have expressed strong feelings about the Civil War, southern history, states’ rights, the Battle Flag, slavery, the whole gamut. As a researcher by nature, I took it all in.

    Depending on who you talk to, they see the flag as representing one of three things: One is their southern heritage. What the south had, and what it lost. Second, and most relevant to today, they see the flag as representing states’ rights. Without a southern heritage or a history tied to slavery, to me the flag represents states’ rights. Particularly that South Carolina had the guts to say, we are tired of being pushed around by the federal government, federal courts and federal politicians, and we are out of here. After last week’s federal court rulings that stomped on the states, the issue of states’ rights is more relevant now than ever. Finally, many southerners look at the flag as honoring their relatives who fought in the war, gave it their all, and lost everything. When I look at some of them today, I can see a bit of their ancestors that fought in the war. The lineage is surreal to an outsider like myself.

    I can’t think of one white southerner I’ve met and have come to know that sees the flag as a sign of slavery or racism or white supremacy. Obviously they are out there, but I would say they are few and far in-between. By and large I think most have forgotten the slavery angle of the Civil War and they’ve long accepted integration. Like I’ve said, I’ve had scores of conversations about the Civil War, the 10th amendment circa 1860, slavery, battles of the war, etc.

    I’m from New York. The racial tensions are so high there, you can count on the following chain of events whenever something occurs: An incident occurs, the political leaders and community activists jump in and play the race card throwing gasoline on everything and everyone, the media jumps in and throws a match on it all, profiting from a spike in viewer/ readers that follows. Protests start, and it culminates in street violence, clashes with the NYPD and then maybe a small scale riot. Just off the top of my head: Freddy’s Fashion Mart protest and fire, Gavin Cato’s death on a bicycle, Bernhard Goetz’s subway shooting, Howard Beach, Amadou Diallo sodomized by the NYPD, the list goes on and on. Entire political and community activists’ careers and organizations were built upon racial divisions and exploitation.

    You can see in Charleston there were some attempts to escalate these murders to protests to violence down on the ground, but it didn’t happen because the people of this state don’t see the state as strongly divided on racial grounds. As a result, racial division and unrest has not become an industry here like it is in New York City. If racism on both sides in New York City is a 10. Here I gauge it at a 4.

    So it is quite unfortunate, the national media has taken this flag controversy and used it to paint flag supporters and too often all South Carolinians as racists or white supremacists. That is an unfair characterization and simply untrue. If someone from NBC news asked me what I thought, I’d say, and how long have you lived in South Carolina? How many South Carolinians are you friends with? Once I got the deer in the head lights look, I’d tell them what I wrote above and say you are operating in a 1960’s time wrap and are clueless to sentiments today. Take your camera (lighter fluid and matches) back to New York, Chicago, Los Angeles or where ever you came from and go fix the problems up there. These people can handle this themselves.

    Here is a story that makes my point -- using 1960's photos, written by someone who works at the University of Illinois. Distort and amplify."
    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/06/confederate-flag-always-racist-119481.html#.VZFQtVJ0zIV
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  20. Meanwhile here in South Carolina-From the service I attended Sunday
    “To hatred, we say no way, not today,” Mr. Watkins said. “To racism, we say no way, not today. To division, we say no way, not today. To reconciliation, we say yes. To loss of hope, we say no way, not today. To a racial war, we say no way, not today. To racial fear, we say no way, not today. Charleston, together, we say no way, not today.”-Jermaine Watkins
    Replying to what happens to be the last post, not you directly.
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