DocJames

Like all good skydivers I have procrastinated on the responsibilities of life choosing to spend most of my time skydiving and participating in DZ "festivities". I am looking to gather some information that will help me finish a school project(Business Plan for a DZ) that is due on 9/27 at 12:30. If you happen to know anyone the following off the top of your head then let me hear it my brethren. Number of Total Skydives in the U.S.(if you know the month/year these were published in Parachutist that would help with citations) Number of Sport Jumps in the U.S. Number of Tandem Jumps in the U.S. Costs to lease a Caravan Maintenance costs for a caravan for one year Full Costs for operation(avg. number of gallons used per load) DZ insurance costs- possibly a company that offers such? Thats the information that is seeming to elude me however if there is anything that you feel may be helpful then I am all ears. Thanks! canopy collisions are bad

Have you ever looked at an ADVANCE harness/container, made in France? who makes it? canopy collisions are bad

I am wanting to whose Boogie is currently viewed as the best to attend? And all the reasons that it is so awesome! Thanks. canopy collisions are bad

thats good stuff i must say canopy collisions are bad

***I don't think so, the worst that can happen is you live the rest of your life as a quadrepaligic. At least that is what I would consider to be worse the dying. i agree canopy collisions are bad

***To me, the problem lies in prodding new jumpers to breakoff at 4.5 or 4, and deploy at 3, all while still having that 2500 decision height. If they follow their proceedure, they have little choice but to cutaway - and they're probably already below 2500. No joke. I get that all the time. So then I say no to the jump and everyone is surprised. canopy collisions are bad

I totally got that a formation would look like ">>" when tracking off. So again when I say "ROAD" im not talking about tracking but a road you drive on bc some thought it made sense to compare the two in an effort to make some sense of why one shouldnt do a BR while tracking. Read the posts that I replied to and then it might make sense to you. canopy collisions are bad

I know your preaching to me bc i have low jump numbers but i didnt say i was going to do one. But when analogies make no sense. It doesnt help the side its supposed to be proving. Just wanted to point out a flaw in reasoning and maybe move toward a solid answer to the this BR controversy canopy collisions are bad

The driving analogy doesn't really make sense. When your driving its completely acceptable and often expected for someone to be behind you when you hit the brakes. There are multiple lanes on the highway and multiple cars PER lane heading in the SAME forward/horizontal direction. It sounds stupid to explain such basic reasoning but unlike driving it is unacceptable while tracking for jumpers to share the same direction. That direction being vertical. Cars share horizontal lanes, skydivers do not share vertical lanes. You could be right in that one shouldn't do a barrel roll during a track. I don't have the experience or knowledge to determine that but I know a bad analogy when I see one. Tracking and driving have totally different rules. ***On bigways, you track off in groups. Sometimes there is a double layer - all headed on the same radials. Think of two Vs one set inside the other or like this >> Even on smaller (16-20way) camps, we teach the track off as a group method, as preparation for a 100-way or larger. On any load, if the airspace is congested for some reason (everyone goes the same way) you can sheepdog someone in front of you. You keep slightly offset from them, so that when they flare and wave off, you can go by them, waveoff and pull off to the side and lower than them. IOW, one person clears the space for two people. It is very important to watch the tracking leader so that you do not run into them. Just a slight clarification: When you BO with a >> formation, the inner wave slows a bit to give distance to the outer wave at about the midpoint of the entire track time. When you sheepdog someone on a jungle rules dive, you do go past them and pull, offest and below. Depending upon your reading comprehension, this may clarify things or it may muddy the waters. . I've never seen a road that looked like ">>". I would say more like ==. canopy collisions are bad

Any proof of that? I ask cause that seems to be one of the main points if not the main point for not doing a BR during a track. Seems to me that more than likely the person who is concerned and taking the necessary steps to avoid a collision from above is also considering the airspace below before deciding to do a BR. Unless there is evidence and I mean proof of people doing BRs during a track and then colliding with another jumper then whats wrong with it? It seems to have helped quite a few people. Well I could send you off to ask a former S&T Director of USPA to give numerous examples. Or I could send you off to look at the fatalities over the recent years. These examples would be more along the lines of "I was not looking where I was going" as opposed to 'I did a BR'. The *proof* that you are seeking is that the collider did not see the collidee in time to prevent the collision. Unfortunately, the collider and collidee almost always die in the accident or cannot remember the accident. So there is no 'this is what I saw and what I was thinking first hand accounts' We have to go on the 3rd person accounts. If you can find some accident that was prevented because the *low* guy got outta the way of the *high* guy, let me see it. . What about video? Of the guy who does the BR and then crashes into someone..that could prove it. I just figured with so many people doing it surely there is some hard proof...I just see alot more opions than proof being given. And your asking me to take third person accounts....but there are third person account for it..so which one? And they can be found in this thread. I was just looking for some black and white proof. Anyone got video of doing a BR and seeing someone right above you? canopy collisions are bad

What I was asking was were those ppl who were not looking below them doing BRs? canopy collisions are bad

Any proof of that? I ask cause that seems to be one of the main points if not the main point for not doing a BR during a track. Seems to me that more than likely the person who is concerned and taking the necessary steps to avoid a collision from above is also considering the airspace below before deciding to do a BR. Unless there is evidence and I mean proof of people doing BRs during a track and then colliding with another jumper then whats wrong with it? It seems to have helped quite a few people. canopy collisions are bad

*** hhhhhhhhhh From PBS.org, Fallen Hero: Charles Lindbergh in the 1940s: Having returned to America in April 1939, Lindbergh turned his attention toward keeping his country out of a war in Europe. At the time, most Americans shared his isolationist views. Germany invaded Poland five months later, drawing Britain and France into the war. Two weeks later, Lindbergh delivered his first nationwide radio address in which he urged America to remain neutral. In the speech he criticized President Roosevelt, who believed the Nazis must be stopped in their conquest of Europe. Lindbergh saw Nazi victory as certain and thought America's attention should be placed elsewhere. "These wars in Europe are not wars in which our civilization is defending itself against some Asiatic intruder... This is not a question of banding together to defend the white race against foreign invasion." Building on his belief that "racial strength is vital," Lindbergh published an article in Reader's Digest stating, "That our civilization depends on a Western wall of race and arms which can hold back... the infiltration of inferior blood." And... To millions of one-time admirers, Charles Lindbergh's luster had been fatally tainted by his words and associations during the 1930's and early 1940's. Historian William O'Neill spoke for many Americans when he offered the opinion that "In promoting appeasement and military unpreparedness, Lindbergh damaged his country to a greater degree than any other private citizen in modern times. That he meant well makes no difference." It would be years before the words Lindbergh and hero were again uttered in the same breath. Quote canopy collisions are bad

when you say you all track at the same altitude I assume you mean the planned break-off? So on your loads the low man will always be tracking before the rest of the group? I am reading alot of people saying not to track until the group begins to track and then the low man pulls super low. why? canopy collisions are bad

"sideways set ups work in most cases, that is true" In what cases does a sideways set up not work? What would be appropriate canopy collisions are bad